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WillyT

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47. Ah Cali... We Used To Be A Much Better Society...

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 11:02 PM

Nov 2013

Prosecuting children as adults was unthinkable in most of this country, for quite a while.

And we refuse to look at the causes of such anti-social behavior.

And we stigmatize those with mental issues...

And we don't have enough beds for those identified as needing mental illness help...

And we glorify violence...

And we glorify rape...

And sometimes the worst of us sells...

There are people that make great wads of money desensitizing the populace.

I hate what this kid did... but the fact that supposed liberals cannot even recognize he's still a kid... makes me wonder.

In my day... he would have gone to "Juvy" until he was 18... and then, AS AN ADULT, there would have been a review of his rehabilitation progress... and a judgment would be made...

Another five, ten, fifteen, twenty years...

And if he were, AS AN ADULT, been determined to be an actual sociopath, and not just some fucked up wrong-wired kid, he'd probably NEVER see his freedom.

I'm OK with that as well.

But treating somebody under the age of adulthood, as an adult, is just one of the ways our justice system has been totally screwed...

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14 is just too young. I can't accept throwing away the key on children [View all] cali Nov 2013 OP

I agree newcriminal Nov 2013 #1

A 14 year old Monster yeoman6987 Nov 2013 #128

He is a child. newcriminal Nov 2013 #132

Would you be willing to have him move in next door to your closest geek tragedy Nov 2013 #2

I'm fond of "Never Again" when it come to barbaric acts and ruining the lives of others seveneyes Nov 2013 #3

I generally agree with that sentiment. Chemisse Nov 2013 #4

I hate to say but I agree. MH1 Nov 2013 #102

A sociopath can't be saved. Once he gets out, he'll rape and kill again. Dash87 Nov 2013 #5

Thank you get the red out Nov 2013 #29

The kid showed no concern for human life. During his first court date he looked bluestate10 Nov 2013 #34

yep. laundry_queen Nov 2013 #37

you are right spiderpig Nov 2013 #96

I've read that book. laundry_queen Nov 2013 #97

Some people are psychopaths. PeteSelman Nov 2013 #6

I think this is one of those things where there is no easy 'right' answer. renie408 Nov 2013 #7

That's my opinion too. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #39

I agree also. polly7 Nov 2013 #8

I agree with you kcr Nov 2013 #9

NO, what happened to the teacher was barbaric. marsis Nov 2013 #76

Really!? kcr Nov 2013 #79

Oh, please! smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #107

"Civilized societies" are rarely that in any rational manner. Chan790 Nov 2013 #130

Anders Behring Breivik will most likely be locked away for life. KitSileya Nov 2013 #138

I couldn't agree more. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #10

If he is tried as a minor... renie408 Nov 2013 #11

I would have to assume that if we can put the child in prison for the rest of his life... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #18

he would be released as a very young healthy man, and that is just too dangerous to contemplate bettyellen Nov 2013 #41

They don't rehab in jail. newcriminal Nov 2013 #52

That's a fact. defacto7 Nov 2013 #60

unfortunately true, but not a good reason to set him free early either. bettyellen Nov 2013 #64

No. Someone tried as minor can not be kept in prison after 18 (or 21). LisaL Nov 2013 #25

Yeah...then I have to go with trying him as an adult. renie408 Nov 2013 #28

What is the middle ground between keeping him locked up and setting him free? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #13

Really? Is that what you feel the full measure of rehabilitation is? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #17

Unless you're advocating a lobotomy, there's no way of uncrossing the wires geek tragedy Nov 2013 #22

Yes, and I'm sure you have a lot of education, degrees, doctorates, and face time... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #26

Extremely violent sexual predators geek tragedy Nov 2013 #32

I just started researching this claim and came across this... Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #48

interesting read. most salient part: geek tragedy Nov 2013 #50

Okay, so you successfully rehabilitate him. What's next? MH1 Nov 2013 #104

Sociopaths do not respond to treatment. I am guessing that he tblue37 Nov 2013 #105

I think there should be somewhere other than prison XemaSab Nov 2013 #12

There definitely needs to be other options besides prison and setting them free. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #99

We should dissociate "prison" from "torture" MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #14

This. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #44

Absolutely agree. n/t defacto7 Nov 2013 #53

This is the correct answer alarimer Nov 2013 #127

I think he needs help, but I don't think he should not be turned loose. My story: nolabear Nov 2013 #15

This is a moving post XemaSab Nov 2013 #16

You're welcome. It was a long time ago but they taught me a whole lot. nolabear Nov 2013 #19

I taught children adjudicated into this type of institution, then went to msanthrope Nov 2013 #24

My experience wasn't quite as poignant - TBF Nov 2013 #27

A very thought provoking post. defacto7 Nov 2013 #61

Thanks for giving us a different view Chemisse Nov 2013 #141

Rehabilitation implies this person was once habilitated. That is not an msanthrope Nov 2013 #20

Age doesn't... Lancero Nov 2013 #21

"But hey, I'm sure you can find some way to justify forgiving a rapists actions." MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #31

Why the snark? Chemisse Nov 2013 #142

For crimes like rape and murder? LisaL Nov 2013 #23

What really good or responsible actions make a minor an adult with all those rights and TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #78

The kid shouldn't walk free again. He has serious problems. He appears to have bluestate10 Nov 2013 #30

For rape and murder? NuclearDem Nov 2013 #33

I tend to agree fishwax Nov 2013 #35

Rape and murder matter get the red out Nov 2013 #36

All I want to know is what sort of brain chemistry was in play. scarletwoman Nov 2013 #38

I can..... sendero Nov 2013 #40

I agree...trying to soft-sell his behavior beachbum bob Nov 2013 #43

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #108

Thank you. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #133

He brutally raped and murdered a woman. Throw away the key. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #42

Can this type of offender be rehabilitated? Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #45

I think that kid is beyond redemption cliffordu Nov 2013 #46

Sounds like you believe in hell. defacto7 Nov 2013 #56

Are you kidding with that first two lines? cliffordu Nov 2013 #57

Interesting, defacto7 Nov 2013 #59

Your impressions of me are meaningless drivel. I was talking about one cliffordu Nov 2013 #65

Sure cliff. defacto7 Nov 2013 #66

Ah Cali... We Used To Be A Much Better Society... WillyT Nov 2013 #47

We just don't have mental health systems anymore get the red out Nov 2013 #67

Our system has been set up to give up on children on adults on the old. My wife's friend had diabeticman Nov 2013 #49

Hmmmm.... K.O. Stradivarius Nov 2013 #51

Seems at this point the child is criminally insane. defacto7 Nov 2013 #54

Psychopaths are not criminally insane. They know damn well what they are doing. hobbit709 Nov 2013 #69

Yes, you are right... defacto7 Nov 2013 #93

Sadly, it's not a question of whether the child can be rehabilitated. TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #55

In which case defacto7 Nov 2013 #58

Mandatory life without parole is not permitted for youths. morningfog Nov 2013 #62

NIMBY! Beausoir Nov 2013 #63

I agree 100%. Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #68

Fine. But why not focus on those who have committed nonviolent crimes and are serving life first? n2doc Nov 2013 #70

So it would be fine with you if this murderer/rapist HappyMe Nov 2013 #71

But.. but.. but.. the poor baby couldn't comprehend what he was doing because of his lobes! Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #73

I guess I'm just an old meany. HappyMe Nov 2013 #74

I don't believe any child should be automatically tried and judged as an adult polly7 Nov 2013 #80

You nailed it about halfway through... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #81

I understand the anger and hatred for what he did .. polly7 Nov 2013 #83

The time for intervention and therapy has passed... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #86

Of course the time for intervention for 'him' has passed, that's obvious. nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #87

...also, it's preventing him from doing it again. meti57b Nov 2013 #84

My biggest worry is that if he's convicted MissMillie Nov 2013 #72

We put people in prison because we're mad at them or because we're scared of them. This kid... piedmont Nov 2013 #75

Don't discount vengeance. Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #117

Would you let your daughter date this person? DetlefK Nov 2013 #77

Since when does a parent "let" their 25 year old daughter do something? MadrasT Nov 2013 #82

Nice try to switch the topic. DetlefK Nov 2013 #139

Context would be nice LordGlenconner Nov 2013 #85

Here's the other OP. HappyMe Nov 2013 #88

My oldest sister was zabet Nov 2013 #89

How horrible! I am so sorry for you. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #135

Thank you very much. zabet Nov 2013 #140

I'm of the opinion that the police stopped a serial killer in the making, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #90

Life In Prison erpowers Nov 2013 #91

At 14 he planned, ... and then executed the plan to NM_Birder Nov 2013 #92

I completely disagree. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #94

After he slit her throat he hauled her in a garbage bin out to the woods and then he rammed a 3 foot Beausoir Nov 2013 #95

I feel sorry for this poor kid. newcriminal Nov 2013 #98

You are one sick puppy. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #109

So, acknowledging that a person acuused of rape and murder is a 14 year old makes one a sick puppy? rug Nov 2013 #110

U.S.M.S. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #111

A federal marshal. rug Nov 2013 #112

You have your opinion, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #113

We both have the fact that, regardless, this kid is still 14. rug Nov 2013 #114

Fair enough. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #115

Those facts are not yet known. rug Nov 2013 #116

Facts are known, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #118

I presume then that, if called, you would inform the court you could not be a fair juror. rug Nov 2013 #123

Clumsy coverup? Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #119

What do you call it? rug Nov 2013 #122

desecration of her body, and staging it for maximum shock value when found, i.e. magical thyme Nov 2013 #125

If it is depraved, that has a lot do do with whether or not there's guilt. rug Nov 2013 #126

I have no idea what you mean by that... magical thyme Nov 2013 #129

These actions don't come out of the blue, especially not for a 14 year old. rug Nov 2013 #131

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #136

It has nothing to do with revenge.. sendero Nov 2013 #100

Very difficult call. jessie04 Nov 2013 #101

Agree in principle. And I would be against the death penalty. randome Nov 2013 #103

I'm fine with preventing the damage this young man will undoubtedly do in the future. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #106

I'm sorry, but he should be locked up. historylovr Nov 2013 #120

I agree with you Cali. Vattel Nov 2013 #121

agree with that - 14 is just too young regardless of the crime DrDan Nov 2013 #124

Guess I'm outside the social norm then. I believe, if you rape or murder you should just fucking Drew Richards Nov 2013 #134

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #137

How is life in prison "an eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth" for rape/murder???? aikoaiko Nov 2013 #143