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In reply to the discussion: 14 is just too young. I can't accept throwing away the key on children [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)50. interesting read. most salient part:
2.12 A study which looked specifically at rape followed 54 rapists released from a maximum security psychiatric hospital in Canada over a period of almost four years. Of this group, 59% committed a further offence, 28% committed a further sexual offence, and 43% committed a further violent offence (Rice, Harris, and Quinsey 1990). A similar study with rapists and child molesters, this time involving 178 patients over a period averaging about five years, found that 28% were convicted of a new sex offence, while 40% were arrested, convicted, or returned to the psychiatric facility for a violent (including sexual) offence (Quinsey, Rice, and Harris 1995). Research into 251 incest offenders at the Royal Ottawa Hospital Sexual Behaviors Clinic (Firestone et al. 1999) found that, roughly six and a half years after their conviction, recidivism was 6.4% for further sexual offences, 12.4% for violent offences, and 26.7% for offences of any kind.
2.13 Two studies by Hagan and Gust-Brey looked specifically at adolescent perpetrators of rape (1999) and of sexual assault against children (2000). The ten-year follow-up of 50 adolescent rapists released from custody in Wisconsin showed that most were convicted of further crimes, but not of a further sexual assault. For those who committed a further sexual offence, the pattern of assault remained stable in years 6 - 10 as it did in years 1 - 5, meaning this group seems to commit such offences at a fairly steady rate for at least 6 - 10 years after release. No decrease in the risk of sexual recidivism was apparent even up to ten years after release. For sexual assaults against children, 12% of the sample reoffended sexually, 66% were convicted of non-sexual offences, and 22% were not reconvicted during a ten-year follow-up. Though the risk of further sexual offences continued throughout the ten-year period, most first sexual offences after release for this group took place in the first five years.
2.14 A methodological analysis of recidivism studies of sex offenders assessed six official sources on 251 rapists and child molesters discharged from a treatment centre in Massachusetts over a 25-year period (Prentky et al. 1997). The research found high variability in reported recidivism depending on the methods and definitions used. However a number of findings were consistent, namely that both rapists and child molesters remain at risk of reoffending often long after their discharge from custody (in some cases 15 - 20 years); simple calculations of recidivism based on those known to have reoffended during a follow-up period consistently underestimated the actual amount; and
measures based on conviction or imprisonment also markedly underestimated the actual amount of reoffending.2.13 Two studies by Hagan and Gust-Brey looked specifically at adolescent perpetrators of rape (1999) and of sexual assault against children (2000). The ten-year follow-up of 50 adolescent rapists released from custody in Wisconsin showed that most were convicted of further crimes, but not of a further sexual assault. For those who committed a further sexual offence, the pattern of assault remained stable in years 6 - 10 as it did in years 1 - 5, meaning this group seems to commit such offences at a fairly steady rate for at least 6 - 10 years after release. No decrease in the risk of sexual recidivism was apparent even up to ten years after release. For sexual assaults against children, 12% of the sample reoffended sexually, 66% were convicted of non-sexual offences, and 22% were not reconvicted during a ten-year follow-up. Though the risk of further sexual offences continued throughout the ten-year period, most first sexual offences after release for this group took place in the first five years.
2.14 A methodological analysis of recidivism studies of sex offenders assessed six official sources on 251 rapists and child molesters discharged from a treatment centre in Massachusetts over a 25-year period (Prentky et al. 1997). The research found high variability in reported recidivism depending on the methods and definitions used. However a number of findings were consistent, namely that both rapists and child molesters remain at risk of reoffending often long after their discharge from custody (in some cases 15 - 20 years); simple calculations of recidivism based on those known to have reoffended during a follow-up period consistently underestimated the actual amount; and
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I'm fond of "Never Again" when it come to barbaric acts and ruining the lives of others
seveneyes
Nov 2013
#3
The kid showed no concern for human life. During his first court date he looked
bluestate10
Nov 2013
#34
I would have to assume that if we can put the child in prison for the rest of his life...
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#18
he would be released as a very young healthy man, and that is just too dangerous to contemplate
bettyellen
Nov 2013
#41
What is the middle ground between keeping him locked up and setting him free?
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#13
Unless you're advocating a lobotomy, there's no way of uncrossing the wires
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#22
Yes, and I'm sure you have a lot of education, degrees, doctorates, and face time...
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#26
There definitely needs to be other options besides prison and setting them free.
LuvNewcastle
Nov 2013
#99
I think he needs help, but I don't think he should not be turned loose. My story:
nolabear
Nov 2013
#15
"But hey, I'm sure you can find some way to justify forgiving a rapists actions."
MannyGoldstein
Nov 2013
#31
What really good or responsible actions make a minor an adult with all those rights and
TheKentuckian
Nov 2013
#78
The kid shouldn't walk free again. He has serious problems. He appears to have
bluestate10
Nov 2013
#30
Our system has been set up to give up on children on adults on the old. My wife's friend had
diabeticman
Nov 2013
#49
Psychopaths are not criminally insane. They know damn well what they are doing.
hobbit709
Nov 2013
#69
Sadly, it's not a question of whether the child can be rehabilitated.
TroglodyteScholar
Nov 2013
#55
Fine. But why not focus on those who have committed nonviolent crimes and are serving life first?
n2doc
Nov 2013
#70
But.. but.. but.. the poor baby couldn't comprehend what he was doing because of his lobes!
Decaffeinated
Nov 2013
#73
We put people in prison because we're mad at them or because we're scared of them. This kid...
piedmont
Nov 2013
#75
After he slit her throat he hauled her in a garbage bin out to the woods and then he rammed a 3 foot
Beausoir
Nov 2013
#95
So, acknowledging that a person acuused of rape and murder is a 14 year old makes one a sick puppy?
rug
Nov 2013
#110
I presume then that, if called, you would inform the court you could not be a fair juror.
rug
Nov 2013
#123
desecration of her body, and staging it for maximum shock value when found, i.e.
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#125
I'm fine with preventing the damage this young man will undoubtedly do in the future.
NaturalHigh
Nov 2013
#106
Guess I'm outside the social norm then. I believe, if you rape or murder you should just fucking
Drew Richards
Nov 2013
#134
How is life in prison "an eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth" for rape/murder????
aikoaiko
Nov 2013
#143