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In reply to the discussion: Don Curtis, Parkland resident, on JFK assassination: "the posterior part of his head was blown out." [View all]Bolo Boffin
(23,872 posts)115. The HSCA said that, not little old me. I'm just passing it on.
And your "lots more" includes a few caveats and disclaimers you didn't manage to include in your quote. Things like:
Horne reported that Kodak, which had done work for the Review Board, found no evidence the current autopsy images had been falsified. And as Horne emphasized in his memo, the HSCAs misstatement, as misleading as it is, may not be as sinister as it seems at first blush. The type of camera used was a view camera. It had a flat, square back that houses the double-sided film packs, and an attached bellows. Attached to the front of the bellows are an interchangeable lens and shutter mechanism, which may be switched out for different tasks. Though no records were ever produced suggesting the Navy had ever acquired any additional lenses and shutters besides those that accompanied the camera to the HSCAs experts, it is possible that the particular lens and shutter used in 1963 may have been replaced by the time the DoD fetched the camera for the HSCA in 1977.
So what this comes down to is the lens was different. But in every other instance, the photos were right, yes? It was Kennedy in the pictures. And the X-rays - this information about them doesn't impeach them at all, right?
As McAdams sums up the HSCA examination of the photos:
Premortem x-rays of Kennedy were compared to the autopsy x-rays. A number of unique anatomic characteristics confirmed that the x- rays were of the same individual. Dr. Lowell Levine examined three skull autopsy x-rays and compared them with premortem dental x-rays. He concluded that the x-rays were of the same person. Several stereo pairs of photographs were analyzed. There was no evidence of alteration in the stereo pairs of the back of the head, the top of the head, the large skull defect, and the back of the head from the front right. Dr. Gerald McDonnel examined the premortem and postmortem x-rays for alteration. He particularly looked for any differences in density, any discontinuities of bone structure, and any abnormal patterns. He found no evidence of alteration. The person in the autopsy photographs are indeed John Kennedy.
In addition, four of the Parkland Hospital doctors (Jenkins, Delaney, Peters, and McClelland), the original autopsy doctors and John Stringer (the autopsy photographer) and John Ebersole (the autopsy radiologist) have all said the materials in the National Archives are authentic.
In addition, four of the Parkland Hospital doctors (Jenkins, Delaney, Peters, and McClelland), the original autopsy doctors and John Stringer (the autopsy photographer) and John Ebersole (the autopsy radiologist) have all said the materials in the National Archives are authentic.
So instead of leaping to photo tampering, since everything else checks out, let's go with the explanation suggested by Occam's razor that a different lens was used for the autopsy photos. Yes?
ETA: If you don't like McAdams as a source, you can go directly to the source:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/html/HSCA_Vol7_0025a.htm
Pages 39-41 of Volume VII of the HSCA Appendices is where to find the methods the HSCA used. That link is to page 39.
Bonus points to anyone who can show an appreciable difference between McAdam's summary and the actual HSCA report!
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Don Curtis, Parkland resident, on JFK assassination: "the posterior part of his head was blown out." [View all]
Karmadillo
Nov 2013
OP
''So you can take that and stuff it up there where you get the rest of your ideas.''
Octafish
Nov 2013
#50
No, that's bullshit generated for the likes of you. For those interested in learning...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#53
Yeah, Posner is a liar, Bugliosi is a liar, the Warren Commission were liars, etc.
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#98
I saw a mist cloud of organic matter from front right of his head exploding
Pretzel_Warrior
Nov 2013
#16
WARNING: GRAPHIC - Here is Zapruder frame 313. Ejecta goes FORWARD and upward.
cherokeeprogressive
Nov 2013
#21
I find the grassy knoll belief is rooted in a lack of physics understanding.
NutmegYankee
Nov 2013
#37
I'm obviously talking about the people who insist that explosives were used.
NutmegYankee
Nov 2013
#71
Looks like a shot right through the back bottom of the seat, slightly towards the rear bumper
Cronus Protagonist
Nov 2013
#76
In the video I saw, it showed a piece of his head/skull flying back onto the trunk of
polly7
Nov 2013
#9
The back of Kennedy's head did not explode. (Warning: graphic images.)
Spider Jerusalem
Nov 2013
#32
Clint Hill, the agent on the trunk says she was reaching for a piece of his skull
dflprincess
Nov 2013
#15
Yes, the Zapruder film shows Mrs Kennedy climbing onto the back of the car of retrieve something
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#23
JFK didn't have an entry and exit wound on his head. The bullet took a chunk off.
Dash87
Nov 2013
#10
That's what we have autopsies for - to establish under calm and measurable circumstances
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#42
Eyewitness accounts often disagree with each other and the autopsy results.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#63
So now you've moved from they're authenticated to it stands to reason that despite
Karmadillo
Nov 2013
#116
No, the photos and X-rays have been authenticated. I've not moved from that at all.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#117
"(McClelland's) recollections... have remained consistent for over thirty years." You are wrong.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#73
I assert it shouldn't even BE debated fifty years later. We have the technology that
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#103
You will only get the truth long after anyone who was alive at the time is long dead.
former9thward
Nov 2013
#94
The truth was known within an HOUR of the assassination. The police arrested the killer.
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#100
Exactly. There would never have been documents classified or held back from public view if LHO was
GoneFishin
Nov 2013
#105