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IdaBriggs

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30. "Confess his sin" of being responsible for the killing of Trayvon.

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:12 AM

Nov 2013

Last edited Fri Nov 22, 2013, 03:49 PM - Edit history (1)

My theory is that the gun was out. I could be wrong. Again, I don't think he was hunting - I think he was going for intimidation, which I think most people with guns think will work.

Flash the gun, you are in charge (or so goes the logic).

Reality: having a gun means you are willing to use it to KILL PEOPLE.

I don't honestly believe most people examine the repercussions of that, even if it is "real self defense" (which this didn't need to be - as I said, I believe they didn't understand who they were - community volunteer and kid walking home from the store, and the guy with the gun shouldn't have allowed the situation to escalate to where it did).

I will be busy for a while, and won't be able to respond (plus don't intend to respond to those who got the exact opposite of what I said out of what I wrote - sigh - "apologist" seriously?).

I always try to look for a bigger meaning. My worldview.

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I don't think Zimmerman really intended to kill Trayvon. [View all] IdaBriggs Nov 2013 OP

what does that even mean, "wanted to be the good guy"? cali Nov 2013 #1

I do not believe most people see themselves as villains. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #5

i don't see myself as a fucking hero JI7 Nov 2013 #6

There are exceptions to every rule. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #8

i would say those who view themselves as heroes the way Zimmerman does JI7 Nov 2013 #12

Even after the trial and all of zimmerman's . . . brush Nov 2013 #83

Most true heroes do not view themselves as a "HERO." ... spin Nov 2013 #94

many men want to be hfojvt Nov 2013 #97

I get that, and I agree, but so what? cali Nov 2013 #9

Agreed about the "more horrible." IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #14

yes. he's a human being. so are all the other billions of human beings on the planet cali Nov 2013 #16

"Confess his sin" of being responsible for the killing of Trayvon. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #30

GZ didn't "allow a situation", his bias and anger issues created the entire "situation" out of thin bettyellen Nov 2013 #136

Most people DON'T see themselves as villains. louis-t Nov 2013 #60

Think your analysis is plausible and quite possible right on indepat Nov 2013 #127

Pot calling kettle black. Vattel Nov 2013 #15

Uh no. A resound fucking no. cali Nov 2013 #17

And was following Martin callous? Or did it express concern for his neighbors? Vattel Nov 2013 #22

actually they told him hfojvt Nov 2013 #106

"both were playing at being cowboys" 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #149

how would you know? I've seen nothing that indicates that they'd disagree. cali Nov 2013 #159

he was a deeply insecure spoiled brat little creep. his wife had dissed him earlier that that day KG Nov 2013 #2

I make no apologies for him. I feel sorry for him. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #7

Well.........maybe. PDJane Nov 2013 #138

oh please, he doesn't feel bad about what happened to Trayvon at all JI7 Nov 2013 #3

Agreed! Agreed! Agreed! nt brush Nov 2013 #85

I don't know how anyone can really know that OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #109

Fuck George Zimmerman trumad Nov 2013 #4

I appreciate your analysis, but bluedeathray Nov 2013 #10

That's not analysis. It is free form speculation and creative writing Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #58

+1 n/t Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #119

Interesting theory, but I disagree. I think Zimmerman is a spoiled brat with raccoon Nov 2013 #11

Get a grip madokie Nov 2013 #13

The OP is not OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #126

He is an EGOMANIACAL MANIPULATIVE LYING GUN NUT AND COP WANNABE ! That's what this BASTARD is ! RBInMaine Nov 2013 #18

Good Post. I agree with everything except the part . . . brush Nov 2013 #90

The forensic evidence clearly shows Trayvon was above him. However, Zimmerman could not have RBInMaine Nov 2013 #131

I think Zimmerman already had the gun out too. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #140

He wanted to do it. hobbit709 Nov 2013 #19

Oh Joy The Zimmy Apologists Are Back rbrnmw Nov 2013 #20

I haven't seen anyone on this board OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #129

Thank you for an alternative take on the whole mess. Buns_of_Fire Nov 2013 #21

To use a racist term (sorry) I think the bastard was coon hunting. Motown_Johnny Nov 2013 #23

That's pathetic. Scuba Nov 2013 #24

Sorry to Godwin the thread, but the nazis thought they were the "good guys" too. redgreenandblue Nov 2013 #25

I was going to do the same thing. cali Nov 2013 #28

Truth. Self deception is a powerful thing. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #52

Why speculate about what happened? Vattel Nov 2013 #26

As a criminal defense attorney, I will tell you that I would want you as a juror. msanthrope Nov 2013 #27

You wouldn't want me on the jury. Brigid Nov 2013 #41

To be fair, I have been called "the Eternal Optimist." IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #49

yes, murder one- at the least! This is part of why I would Never want to be anywhere near the system 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #150

A few things about the guy stick with me. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #29

I'd never thought of that - an undiagnosed social disorder? IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #31

Hello ~ Tylenol Extrastrengt In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #36

Thank you, and welcome to DU. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #53

From what I've read, he's been a bully douchebag his entire life. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #32

I respectfully disagree. MoonRiver Nov 2013 #33

Nah... I think he loves guns and has an itchy trigger finger... Kahuna Nov 2013 #34

My guess as to what happened is along the lines of yours. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #35

I also believe that having his weapon drawn is what started the deadly conflict. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #55

The only thing that bothers me about that OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #125

A good guy would have offered him a ride. Lars39 Nov 2013 #37

Thank you. nt TBF Nov 2013 #48

A good guy would know that teens shouldn't get into cars with people OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #130

GZ shot and killed an unarmed kid. Brigid Nov 2013 #38

I do, from the moment he left his car. Rex Nov 2013 #39

He wanted to kill him before he met him... lame54 Nov 2013 #40

In few words, your post comes closet to my understanding. This guy is ruled by his unconscious KittyWampus Nov 2013 #45

Thanks... lame54 Nov 2013 #46

Yes, in the abstract treestar Nov 2013 #62

He's a women-hitting, cop wannabe thug. I know his type NightWatcher Nov 2013 #42

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #101

We have a conscious and unconscious mind. Consciously he may not have intended originally to kill KittyWampus Nov 2013 #43

Well, I can't say that I agree with you on that at all. MineralMan Nov 2013 #44

I think you are very naive. Granted folks are complicated - TBF Nov 2013 #47

And let me guess, your love could change him, right? Myrina Nov 2013 #51

Um, no. Happily married to a good man, and zero interest IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #59

No, I don't think he wanted to be the good guy. kcr Nov 2013 #54

Cool story, bro Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #56

I disagree arely staircase Nov 2013 #57

Watcha' smoking Ida? HERVEPA Nov 2013 #61

Eternal Optimist with a Compassion Kicker. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #65

Sorry Ida, real worl doesn't work like that. HERVEPA Nov 2013 #69

I will keep watching the story. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #77

I think a couple of years living in a right-wing community will Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #103

I figured somebody wouldn't like this .... oldhippie Nov 2013 #63

People like 2 and 4 just don't get it treestar Nov 2013 #64

what is your view of zimmerman's mindset during the incident, praytell? dionysus Nov 2013 #68

I don't have a view of Zimmerman's mindset ..... oldhippie Nov 2013 #81

Oh, Wow! Thank you for sharing this - and I *LOVE* DU!!! IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #70

For what it's worth .... oldhippie Nov 2013 #88

Well, I am glad you were on the jury, and I love what you wrote! IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #92

I think you are very right OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #132

Whoever alerted on the OP should be ashamed of themselves. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #142

SMOOCH!!! IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #162

I do not feel Trayvon Martin asjr Nov 2013 #66

Go talk to his wife. cliffordu Nov 2013 #67

nice phrase there ... Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #73

Yeah, I thought of that. cliffordu Nov 2013 #74

yeah, not surprised. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #78

LOL. When left with nothing, you never disappoint. cliffordu Nov 2013 #80

Hey you two - I'm the one busy offending DU at the moment! IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #86

Sorry, kiddo - cliffordu Nov 2013 #87

You two are some of my favorite posters. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #91

OK - Here's my beef: cliffordu Nov 2013 #98

Sometimes we accidentally brush against scars other people wear. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #115

A couple things: cliffordu Nov 2013 #117

Thank you. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #163

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #99

Yeah, probably. cliffordu Nov 2013 #100

I think a boy is dead because some asshole thought hewas entitled to kill said child Scootaloo Nov 2013 #71

I think his life is self-destructing from the incident, no matter how much denial IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #75

sorry to be rude, but that's a crock o' shit. dionysus Nov 2013 #72

It may be possible that you're right. Xyzse Nov 2013 #76

Ya..NO�.I know guys who brag that a gun is always available to them at an arms length. Tikki Nov 2013 #79

With all due respect, that is complete garbage FloridaJudy Nov 2013 #82

One tiny factor I'd add: Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #84

I think he joined the neighborhood watch with the hope that he'd eventually be able to gollygee Nov 2013 #89

You probably got a lot of it right. beemer27 Nov 2013 #93

I agree. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #118

If you were a chubby little twerp and all the girls laughed at you tularetom Nov 2013 #95

In my opinion the Zimmerman case should be discussed in every concealed weapons class. ... spin Nov 2013 #105

Instead, they teach you how to shoot center mass, just like Zimmy, and what to say to police. Hoyt Nov 2013 #133

Much depends on the individual instructor but the instructors that I have known ... spin Nov 2013 #143

I agree 100+% beemer27 Nov 2013 #141

Problem is, a lot of the toters don't care about anything but how quickly they can strap on a gun Hoyt Nov 2013 #145

I too have seen these kind of idiots. beemer27 Nov 2013 #154

I don't think it was premeditated... cynatnite Nov 2013 #96

Zimmerman didn't give Martin any thought at all ... Vox Moi Nov 2013 #102

Isn't his father a retired judge. That tells me he knows the system inside and out. I think he is a OregonBlue Nov 2013 #104

Absolutely HockeyMom Nov 2013 #111

He's got a screw loose, in that he seems to walk in a fantasy where he is a beweaponed hero Hekate Nov 2013 #107

I applaud this post. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #116

I do nt NoGOPZone Nov 2013 #108

I am sure he didn't want to kill him. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #110

I am not, sadly, he knew he would be in more trouble if Trayvon lived. and he was right. bettyellen Nov 2013 #144

I've had Z pegged from the beginning wercal Nov 2013 #112

I think he is a murderous sexual pervert scum HipChick Nov 2013 #113

most racists do not think of themselves as such La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #114

So right. I learned that lesson at an early age. Guy in photo below claimed he was not a racist, Hoyt Nov 2013 #135

I don't think Trayvon Martin wanted to die. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #120

bullshit zimmy has a gun fetish that fits in to his macho image of himself gopiscrap Nov 2013 #121

Naaa, Zimmerman is a reckless, criminal, dangerous, gun-nut scumbag. johnnyrocket Nov 2013 #122

Zimmerman delights in disappointing folks like you. Might as well get ready. (nt) Paladin Nov 2013 #123

Everyone thinks they are a good person. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #124

This is probably the weirdest post I've seen today on DU. MADem Nov 2013 #128

you think he pulled the gun to detain the kid for no reason- AND was a GOOD guy? How the fuck did bettyellen Nov 2013 #134

I mostly agree with your post.. sendero Nov 2013 #137

I disagree, but you have my RESPECT for posting this. Well done! nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #139

I heard a ballistics expert testified CFLDem Nov 2013 #146

Nice flamebait. NealK Nov 2013 #147

I also agree that his gun was out at the time of the confrontation. Incitatus Nov 2013 #148

This ignores his prior history (prior to killing Martin) of violent behavior. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #151

He molested a young girl. Tien1985 Nov 2013 #152

You picked the widest fairway, in a thunderstorm, walked to the middle and held up your three iron. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #153

legally, intent only takes seconds to form. aiming point blank at his heart seems bettyellen Nov 2013 #155

So you're saying Zimmy got lucky and that he WAS hunting. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #156

hunting? who said that? looking for trouble for sure, but.... bettyellen Nov 2013 #157

Many people on this thread believe he was "hunting" IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #161

he "had a bad day". Wow, way to minimize his decison to stalk an innocent. bettyellen Nov 2013 #169

The "bad day" comment refers to what happened BEFORE the events IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #170

and during- you minimize this crime consistently with this "bad day" and "misunderstanding' crap bettyellen Nov 2013 #171

Well, thank you for sharing your opinion. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #172

He also called 911 after pointing a shotgun at his girlfriend, so? Hoyt Nov 2013 #160

I don't think training in martial arts automatically makes IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #164

Do they also carry a gun like Zimmy? Play policeman? Hoyt Nov 2013 #167

Why is the image of Thor going through my head at the moment? IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #165

One was a domestic abuser Tien1985 Nov 2013 #168

*prepares popcorn* n/t JesterCS Nov 2013 #158

Your magic crystal ball... 99Forever Nov 2013 #166