Kaptur Defeats Kucinich 94% to 4% on 100% Unverifiable E-Vote Systems in Toledo, OH?

[BradBlog]

59. No, it wouldn't. (Or, at least there is no guarantee of that)

1) Machine does a revote, that would be found by tallying the paper ballots, ballot stuffing would be apparent. The vote on those machines or polling places would be invalidated.

a) There are not "paper ballots". b) Again with the "ballot stuffing"? Are you a Republican? Or just ill-informed?? As to votes being "invalidated", I'm sorry, don't know what you're talking about.

2) Machine cancels your vote and then votes a different way, that would be easily seen by looking over the paper ballots and noticing that there are a lot of cancellations (a 94% win would require a massive number of canceled out votes, far more than the norm). The vote on those machines or polling places would be invalidated.

That, of course, is *if* you are able to get an audit that allows you to examine all of the 22,000 paper trails. Good luck. And, it also presumes that a) people noticed and canceled (remember, the VVPATs on the Diebold TSX are hidding behind an opaque plastic door) and b) that a different method, such as the one developed at Argonne Labs last year was not used, as I detailed for Salon here last September: http://politics.salon.com/2011/09/27/votinghack/singleton/

3) Machine overwrites your vote, that would easily, trivially be noticed because the paper ballots would look all messed up. The vote on those machines or polling places would be invalidated.

Again, there are not "paper ballots". But if you mean paper trails, that's correct, the paper trails would not match the internal numbers if the hack described above were used.

Now, assuming that the machine did any of those things, it would require 23k people on that day not noticing any strange behavior at all. That is preposterous.

Um, no. There need not be anything unusual for any of the 23k people to have seen. That would suggest as much is, as you'd say, preposterous.

This is certainly not a 100% unverifiable voting method, it's not ideal, of course, I can think of far better ways to do it, but you can get an audit done, which is a far sight better than not being able to have an audit at all!

Again, since you are so well-versed in these systems. Are you able to provide proof that even one vote cast for either Kucinich or Kaptur was recorded accurately as per any voter's intent? If so, I'd love to see it! Thanks in advance!