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kcr

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79. Really!?

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 12:16 PM

Nov 2013

I didn't realize that, thanks for reminding me!

YES. Locking children away for the rest of their lives is barbaric. Civilized societies don't do it.

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14 is just too young. I can't accept throwing away the key on children [View all] cali Nov 2013 OP

I agree newcriminal Nov 2013 #1

A 14 year old Monster yeoman6987 Nov 2013 #128

He is a child. newcriminal Nov 2013 #132

Would you be willing to have him move in next door to your closest geek tragedy Nov 2013 #2

I'm fond of "Never Again" when it come to barbaric acts and ruining the lives of others seveneyes Nov 2013 #3

I generally agree with that sentiment. Chemisse Nov 2013 #4

I hate to say but I agree. MH1 Nov 2013 #102

A sociopath can't be saved. Once he gets out, he'll rape and kill again. Dash87 Nov 2013 #5

Thank you get the red out Nov 2013 #29

The kid showed no concern for human life. During his first court date he looked bluestate10 Nov 2013 #34

yep. laundry_queen Nov 2013 #37

you are right spiderpig Nov 2013 #96

I've read that book. laundry_queen Nov 2013 #97

Some people are psychopaths. PeteSelman Nov 2013 #6

I think this is one of those things where there is no easy 'right' answer. renie408 Nov 2013 #7

That's my opinion too. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #39

I agree also. polly7 Nov 2013 #8

I agree with you kcr Nov 2013 #9

NO, what happened to the teacher was barbaric. marsis Nov 2013 #76

Really!? kcr Nov 2013 #79

Oh, please! smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #107

"Civilized societies" are rarely that in any rational manner. Chan790 Nov 2013 #130

Anders Behring Breivik will most likely be locked away for life. KitSileya Nov 2013 #138

I couldn't agree more. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #10

If he is tried as a minor... renie408 Nov 2013 #11

I would have to assume that if we can put the child in prison for the rest of his life... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #18

he would be released as a very young healthy man, and that is just too dangerous to contemplate bettyellen Nov 2013 #41

They don't rehab in jail. newcriminal Nov 2013 #52

That's a fact. defacto7 Nov 2013 #60

unfortunately true, but not a good reason to set him free early either. bettyellen Nov 2013 #64

No. Someone tried as minor can not be kept in prison after 18 (or 21). LisaL Nov 2013 #25

Yeah...then I have to go with trying him as an adult. renie408 Nov 2013 #28

What is the middle ground between keeping him locked up and setting him free? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #13

Really? Is that what you feel the full measure of rehabilitation is? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #17

Unless you're advocating a lobotomy, there's no way of uncrossing the wires geek tragedy Nov 2013 #22

Yes, and I'm sure you have a lot of education, degrees, doctorates, and face time... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #26

Extremely violent sexual predators geek tragedy Nov 2013 #32

I just started researching this claim and came across this... Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #48

interesting read. most salient part: geek tragedy Nov 2013 #50

Okay, so you successfully rehabilitate him. What's next? MH1 Nov 2013 #104

Sociopaths do not respond to treatment. I am guessing that he tblue37 Nov 2013 #105

I think there should be somewhere other than prison XemaSab Nov 2013 #12

There definitely needs to be other options besides prison and setting them free. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #99

We should dissociate "prison" from "torture" MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #14

This. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #44

Absolutely agree. n/t defacto7 Nov 2013 #53

This is the correct answer alarimer Nov 2013 #127

I think he needs help, but I don't think he should not be turned loose. My story: nolabear Nov 2013 #15

This is a moving post XemaSab Nov 2013 #16

You're welcome. It was a long time ago but they taught me a whole lot. nolabear Nov 2013 #19

I taught children adjudicated into this type of institution, then went to msanthrope Nov 2013 #24

My experience wasn't quite as poignant - TBF Nov 2013 #27

A very thought provoking post. defacto7 Nov 2013 #61

Thanks for giving us a different view Chemisse Nov 2013 #141

Rehabilitation implies this person was once habilitated. That is not an msanthrope Nov 2013 #20

Age doesn't... Lancero Nov 2013 #21

"But hey, I'm sure you can find some way to justify forgiving a rapists actions." MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #31

Why the snark? Chemisse Nov 2013 #142

For crimes like rape and murder? LisaL Nov 2013 #23

What really good or responsible actions make a minor an adult with all those rights and TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #78

The kid shouldn't walk free again. He has serious problems. He appears to have bluestate10 Nov 2013 #30

For rape and murder? NuclearDem Nov 2013 #33

I tend to agree fishwax Nov 2013 #35

Rape and murder matter get the red out Nov 2013 #36

All I want to know is what sort of brain chemistry was in play. scarletwoman Nov 2013 #38

I can..... sendero Nov 2013 #40

I agree...trying to soft-sell his behavior beachbum bob Nov 2013 #43

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #108

Thank you. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #133

He brutally raped and murdered a woman. Throw away the key. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #42

Can this type of offender be rehabilitated? Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #45

I think that kid is beyond redemption cliffordu Nov 2013 #46

Sounds like you believe in hell. defacto7 Nov 2013 #56

Are you kidding with that first two lines? cliffordu Nov 2013 #57

Interesting, defacto7 Nov 2013 #59

Your impressions of me are meaningless drivel. I was talking about one cliffordu Nov 2013 #65

Sure cliff. defacto7 Nov 2013 #66

Ah Cali... We Used To Be A Much Better Society... WillyT Nov 2013 #47

We just don't have mental health systems anymore get the red out Nov 2013 #67

Our system has been set up to give up on children on adults on the old. My wife's friend had diabeticman Nov 2013 #49

Hmmmm.... K.O. Stradivarius Nov 2013 #51

Seems at this point the child is criminally insane. defacto7 Nov 2013 #54

Psychopaths are not criminally insane. They know damn well what they are doing. hobbit709 Nov 2013 #69

Yes, you are right... defacto7 Nov 2013 #93

Sadly, it's not a question of whether the child can be rehabilitated. TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #55

In which case defacto7 Nov 2013 #58

Mandatory life without parole is not permitted for youths. morningfog Nov 2013 #62

NIMBY! Beausoir Nov 2013 #63

I agree 100%. Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #68

Fine. But why not focus on those who have committed nonviolent crimes and are serving life first? n2doc Nov 2013 #70

So it would be fine with you if this murderer/rapist HappyMe Nov 2013 #71

But.. but.. but.. the poor baby couldn't comprehend what he was doing because of his lobes! Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #73

I guess I'm just an old meany. HappyMe Nov 2013 #74

I don't believe any child should be automatically tried and judged as an adult polly7 Nov 2013 #80

You nailed it about halfway through... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #81

I understand the anger and hatred for what he did .. polly7 Nov 2013 #83

The time for intervention and therapy has passed... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #86

Of course the time for intervention for 'him' has passed, that's obvious. nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #87

...also, it's preventing him from doing it again. meti57b Nov 2013 #84

My biggest worry is that if he's convicted MissMillie Nov 2013 #72

We put people in prison because we're mad at them or because we're scared of them. This kid... piedmont Nov 2013 #75

Don't discount vengeance. Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #117

Would you let your daughter date this person? DetlefK Nov 2013 #77

Since when does a parent "let" their 25 year old daughter do something? MadrasT Nov 2013 #82

Nice try to switch the topic. DetlefK Nov 2013 #139

Context would be nice LordGlenconner Nov 2013 #85

Here's the other OP. HappyMe Nov 2013 #88

My oldest sister was zabet Nov 2013 #89

How horrible! I am so sorry for you. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #135

Thank you very much. zabet Nov 2013 #140

I'm of the opinion that the police stopped a serial killer in the making, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #90

Life In Prison erpowers Nov 2013 #91

At 14 he planned, ... and then executed the plan to NM_Birder Nov 2013 #92

I completely disagree. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #94

After he slit her throat he hauled her in a garbage bin out to the woods and then he rammed a 3 foot Beausoir Nov 2013 #95

I feel sorry for this poor kid. newcriminal Nov 2013 #98

You are one sick puppy. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #109

So, acknowledging that a person acuused of rape and murder is a 14 year old makes one a sick puppy? rug Nov 2013 #110

U.S.M.S. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #111

A federal marshal. rug Nov 2013 #112

You have your opinion, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #113

We both have the fact that, regardless, this kid is still 14. rug Nov 2013 #114

Fair enough. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #115

Those facts are not yet known. rug Nov 2013 #116

Facts are known, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #118

I presume then that, if called, you would inform the court you could not be a fair juror. rug Nov 2013 #123

Clumsy coverup? Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #119

What do you call it? rug Nov 2013 #122

desecration of her body, and staging it for maximum shock value when found, i.e. magical thyme Nov 2013 #125

If it is depraved, that has a lot do do with whether or not there's guilt. rug Nov 2013 #126

I have no idea what you mean by that... magical thyme Nov 2013 #129

These actions don't come out of the blue, especially not for a 14 year old. rug Nov 2013 #131

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #136

It has nothing to do with revenge.. sendero Nov 2013 #100

Very difficult call. jessie04 Nov 2013 #101

Agree in principle. And I would be against the death penalty. randome Nov 2013 #103

I'm fine with preventing the damage this young man will undoubtedly do in the future. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #106

I'm sorry, but he should be locked up. historylovr Nov 2013 #120

I agree with you Cali. Vattel Nov 2013 #121

agree with that - 14 is just too young regardless of the crime DrDan Nov 2013 #124

Guess I'm outside the social norm then. I believe, if you rape or murder you should just fucking Drew Richards Nov 2013 #134

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #137

How is life in prison "an eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth" for rape/murder???? aikoaiko Nov 2013 #143