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In reply to the discussion: Insurers to pay doctors 30-40% less under exchange plans. [View all]FarCenter
(19,429 posts)36. Some NY Hospitals Opting Out of Health Exchange Plans
If consumers buying insurance on health exchanges have their heart set on particular hospitals or doctors, they better do their homework.
Some hospital systems, such as NYU Langone Medical Center and New York-Presbyterian Hospital, are available as in-network choices in relatively few of the plans offered on the New York state exchange. Other systems, such as Mt. Sinai, Northshore-LIJ, Montefiore and Maimonides, are available in many more plans.
We were able to come to some good agreements with plans, said Kate Rose, senior director of public policy and government relations at Montefiore Medical Center, which dominates the Bronx health care market and is expanding into southern Westchester County.
Consumers can go to whatever hospitals and doctors they want, but other than for emergencies, their insurance plans only guarantee payment, if the provider is in-network. If not, providers can charge patients whatever they want. (There are some plans that allow out-of-network options, but they tend to be either limited or expensive.)
Networks are a result of negotiated contracts the two sides agree to. Insurers say that the best way to limit costs to patients is to drive a hard bargain with providers and offer them less money for treatments and tests. If hospitals and doctors dont think the price is right, they do not go into the insurers network.
Some hospital systems, such as NYU Langone Medical Center and New York-Presbyterian Hospital, are available as in-network choices in relatively few of the plans offered on the New York state exchange. Other systems, such as Mt. Sinai, Northshore-LIJ, Montefiore and Maimonides, are available in many more plans.
We were able to come to some good agreements with plans, said Kate Rose, senior director of public policy and government relations at Montefiore Medical Center, which dominates the Bronx health care market and is expanding into southern Westchester County.
Consumers can go to whatever hospitals and doctors they want, but other than for emergencies, their insurance plans only guarantee payment, if the provider is in-network. If not, providers can charge patients whatever they want. (There are some plans that allow out-of-network options, but they tend to be either limited or expensive.)
Networks are a result of negotiated contracts the two sides agree to. Insurers say that the best way to limit costs to patients is to drive a hard bargain with providers and offer them less money for treatments and tests. If hospitals and doctors dont think the price is right, they do not go into the insurers network.
http://www.wnyc.org/story/wide-difference-interest-among-hospitals-participating-health-exchange-plans/
Many providers say negotiations with insurers are ongoing, but here are some examples of major New York hospitals and how many insurance plans for individuals they are participating in, as of October 1:
◦Montefiore will be in-network for seven out of the nine insurance plans offered in the regionall except for Fidelis Care, a Catholic non-profit, and MetroPlus, the insurance arm of the citys public hospital system.
◦Mt. Sinai Health System, which recently grew to include Beth Israel, St. Lukes Roosevelt and other facilities, is in-network for six insurers.
◦Maimonides Medical Center, in Brooklyn, is in-network for five.
◦Medisys, which includes hospitals in Flushing and Jamaica, is in seven plans.
◦Brookdale Hospital is in four.
◦Northshore-LIJ, the states largest hospital system, has its own insurance plan and is in-network for five others.
◦NYU is in-network for three insurers, Fidelis, Affinity and United.
◦New York-Presbyterian is in-network for United, Emblem and Aetna.
◦Montefiore will be in-network for seven out of the nine insurance plans offered in the regionall except for Fidelis Care, a Catholic non-profit, and MetroPlus, the insurance arm of the citys public hospital system.
◦Mt. Sinai Health System, which recently grew to include Beth Israel, St. Lukes Roosevelt and other facilities, is in-network for six insurers.
◦Maimonides Medical Center, in Brooklyn, is in-network for five.
◦Medisys, which includes hospitals in Flushing and Jamaica, is in seven plans.
◦Brookdale Hospital is in four.
◦Northshore-LIJ, the states largest hospital system, has its own insurance plan and is in-network for five others.
◦NYU is in-network for three insurers, Fidelis, Affinity and United.
◦New York-Presbyterian is in-network for United, Emblem and Aetna.
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The market will always say that sick people should be executed for not having money
eridani
Nov 2013
#12
What's your solution for that? Make it easier and cheaper to BECOME a doctor?
cherokeeprogressive
Nov 2013
#5
Having recently experienced health care in France for a broken leg and the upon my return to the
Thinkingabout
Nov 2013
#126
I think you are right and I did not experience long waiting lines or months for health care.
Thinkingabout
Nov 2013
#170
You pay 1 day of your wages to visit a doctor, true. How much of that does the doctor keep?
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#53
I wrote ins pays 1/2, write off the rest. If you pay cash, typically there is a 10% discount, and
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#71
My PCP clears around 50K a year for 4 days a week. That is "still a lot"?
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#123
Just because a clinic's hours may be 9-5 does not mean that is the hours worked.
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#128
My PCP told me how much he makes a year. Not to the dollar but in the range. Try it, you might be
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#95
Doctors should be able to make good money because their expenses are pretty high
OwnedByCats
Nov 2013
#118
Honestly, blame part of the on the very reimbursements this thread is discussing
joeglow3
Nov 2013
#66
You do know medical schools limit enrollment for the reason they could make outrageous pay.
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#173
So, he makes too much? Are you proposing some kind of law limiting doctor pay? n/t
cherokeeprogressive
Nov 2013
#180
so go to medical school, become a doctor and you too can own those things...nt
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#134
You admit you do not know what doctor's income is, yet assume. A jeep means they are filthy rich, or
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#51
So you want him to pay the same amount, get a loan for the same amount, but an older house?
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#72
My beef with ACA has always been that it was insurance instead of health care.
hobbit709
Nov 2013
#3
And the number of patients they are being expected to see is actually increasing.
Adsos Letter
Nov 2013
#65
I know. That's why it's ludicrous for people to claim they're in collusion w/insurance companies
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#133
Might be good, but even under Medicare, insurance companies do most of administrative work.
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#27
I know, insurance companies do most of admin work. Plus, drug coverage is through insurance
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#39
Apparently you missed the point. But, see how quickly you get an appendectomy without insurance
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#166
Two simple questions. How do they know it is an exchange policy? & Since they arent in force
stevenleser
Nov 2013
#19
What do you mean "aren't being accepted"? That is present tense. That is not possible.
stevenleser
Nov 2013
#26
Insurance companies contract with physicians. Apparently some -- maybe a lot -- are not accepting
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#28
I would imagine it means the hospitals have reviewed the fed regs and policies
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2013
#29
I reached out to UCLA medical center and Cedar Sinai to see what they have to say.
stevenleser
Nov 2013
#34
I can already tell you that Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield are not covered by them
flamingdem
Nov 2013
#41
I look forward to reading what they have to say. Perhaps an OP would be in order.
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2013
#43
The contracting logically would have to be in place before the plans go effective.
TheKentuckian
Nov 2013
#35
Already in progress. Increase nurse practitioners and make them a less valuable commodity
TheKentuckian
Nov 2013
#54
Insurers don't contract by group number/type, they contract by type of policy - HMO, PPO, etc.
cbdo2007
Nov 2013
#49
That seems to be the case judging from my first response from UCLA. See above nt
stevenleser
Nov 2013
#146
Instead of "Medicare for all", ACA is more like "Means-tested Medicaid for all".
FarCenter
Nov 2013
#33
Does anyone need more proof insurance companies are bloodsucking assholes? The thread title sums
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#62
Too many "if's" in this story coming from the right wing propaganda machine
Lifelong Dem
Nov 2013
#63
You said you called the doctors and hospitals and asked them if they "took ACA"....
cbdo2007
Nov 2013
#106
Which is why I hid behind the door when that talent was offered. What can I say?
freshwest
Nov 2013
#144
Health care has gotten a lot more complicated, the more is known, the more technology there is
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#130
So we basically want to ensure that NO ONE goes into medicine then. Good plan. nt
Demo_Chris
Nov 2013
#119
Please explain how Medicare For All will PASS??? Your entire post is a moot point.
RBInMaine
Nov 2013
#137
OK, but we needed something nationally NOW, and MANY states will never pass Medicare For All.
RBInMaine
Nov 2013
#148
PLease inform me if I am wrong, but doctor/hospitals choose which insrurane plans
Incitatus
Nov 2013
#143
Well, that sounds like an attempt by insurance companies to sabotage healthcare
kestrel91316
Nov 2013
#162
With improved medicare for all, there's still a shortage of doctors, and they'll still be paid less
bhikkhu
Nov 2013
#175
How about the middle men, or the hospitals that charge 8 dollars for an aspirin. Where do the
lostincalifornia
Nov 2013
#176