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bullwinkle428

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Fri Nov 22, 2013, 01:29 PM Nov 2013

I guess Charles Pierce now qualifies as a "wacko CTer". [View all]

"The murder of John Kennedy in broad daylight in the streets of an American city remains, to me, an unsolved crime. I do not accept the notion that the Warren Commission, created to allay public panic and not to investigate, and composed of wise men from Washington who had made careers out of knowing more than they ever would tell, somehow still managed to stumble onto the correct interpretation of all of the events of that surreal weekend. (Hell, Allen Dulles was on that Commission and Kennedy had fired his lying ass less than a year earlier.) I stopped believing in the Warren Commission even before it was put together. I stopped believing in the Warren Commission when I sat on my living room floor and watched the accused murderer of the president get gunned down on live TV in a roomful of Dallas cops. I stopped believing in the Warren Commission when I watched a lynching with my parents while the dead president was lying in state in the White House and as the country went numb around me.

The Warren Commission was a natural outgrowth of a mentality that had infected the government from the moment that the government decided that it would build, in secret, a weapon that would not only win World War II, but also have the potential to end civilization if it -- or the men who allegedly were in control of it -- ever ran amok. What historian Garry Wills calls the "Bomb Power" was based from its beginnings in the notion that there were things about their government that the American people need not know. From this came an irresistible impulse to treat the American people -- for whom the Founders intended all of what John Adams called "the awful knowledge" about their leaders -- like fragile children who must be protected at all costs from what their government found necessary to do on their behalf. From this has come a hundred commissions and boards and gatherings of the shamans of the security state -- the slow bureaucratic response to the Watergate crimes, the Tower Commission on Iran-Contra, even the Simpson-Bowles budget commission -- all of which sprang from the notion that the nation's elite should conduct the nation's business in as quiet a manner as possible, so as not to disturb the horses or wake the children. The Warren Commission was the first of these, and it did its job very well. What unruly bloggers call The Village can be said to have been founded in the premise that the American people needed to be shielded, for their own good, from the full knowledge of the facts surrounding the murder of their president in broad daylight in the streets of an American city.

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I don't know if we'll ever settle who shot from where. But I do know that, almost from the start, the government has known more about this event than it has been willing to share with the people who, allegedly, govern themselves through it. It is long past time for that to end. It has been 50 years. So many people connected, in one way or another, and by one person or another, to the events in Dallas are dead. The Soviet Union is dead. Do not protect yourselves by claiming to protect us. We have been protected for too long and from too much of what the government has done in our name. We are not children, huddled at the classroom door, wondering why the nuns are weeping, and why the world has suddenly gone so silent all around us."

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You seem surprised n/t sharp_stick Nov 2013 #1
Not terribly - he reflects my own feelings in that there's a great deal bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #6
He did not propose an actual theory--merely surmised there is more about JFK murder than gov. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #2
But it seems there are many that really don't make an effort to bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #5
True Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #7
still, one should have a theory. because things happen somehow. mechanistically. Schema Thing Nov 2013 #20
Almost everything has been released. This STILL hasn't satisfied the CTs. duffyduff Nov 2013 #12
How do you know "almost everything has been released"? Is there a list of items to be checked as riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #17
The government itself said in the late 70's, that "a conspiracy was probably involved" in the death whathehell Nov 2013 #22
Almost everything has been released? Stainless Nov 2013 #30
ALMOST everything! Isn't that good enough? ALMOST! Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #47
The law was changed. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #57
+1 treestar Nov 2013 #74
CT'ers as you try to disparagingly call them, have open minds. It's those rhett o rick Nov 2013 #77
"Open minds"? Thats a laugh. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #85
It's very closed minded to categorize all people that are skeptical as some kind rhett o rick Nov 2013 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Nov 2013 #106
You are equating DUers to Birthers? Nice, and you deniers wonder why a majority of the people doubt sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #101
No. CTers to birthers. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #104
Really? What percentage of 'things' have been released? EOTE Nov 2013 #43
Wow. ALMOST everything has been released.... and it's only been 50 years? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #46
How do you know that 'nearly everything has been released'? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #96
He proposes a conspiracy of silence Sanity Claws Nov 2013 #64
And that is the position of a vast majority of the American people, not to mention the rest of the sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #87
Expect the usual bullying snark from the Lone Nut Theorists villager Nov 2013 #3
It isn't a theory--it's a fact. n/t duffyduff Nov 2013 #10
...and of course, their patronizing pronouncements villager Nov 2013 #11
Believe what you want, you just sound silly. duffyduff Nov 2013 #14
as noted, only snark offered up villager Nov 2013 #16
You need to qualify statements like that. Anyone seeking credibility generally makes it sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #97
Like hell it is...Check out my last post. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #23
How do you explain de Mohrenschildt's friendship with Oswald? JDPriestly Nov 2013 #34
"Friendship" is likely a relative term. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #60
Nice conjecture. Possibly true. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #62
As someone who renounced his citizenship in the Soviet Union treestar Nov 2013 #76
The CIA wasn't the only agency interested in Oswald. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #86
all those alphabet agencies watching him questionseverything Nov 2013 #99
Poppy's, too. Octafish Nov 2013 #92
LOL, make believe is more fun I realize. But get over it. It was alone nut. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #70
It's been investigated for 50 years treestar Nov 2013 #75
He doesn't even hide it. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #4
Yep. stopbush Nov 2013 #8
Yeah. That line kinda jumps out, eh?...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #28
Yes, and he provides a valid reason for that position. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #39
How did he know Dulles would be on the commission before it was formed? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #48
Great analogy, absolutely correct - eom dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #50
Why would he hide it? Honest people do not hide things unless there is a very good reason. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #90
An opinion isn't fact. Pierce is wrong. End of story. duffyduff Nov 2013 #9
He must really be losing sleep over that. villager Nov 2013 #13
LOL n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #24
I imagine his imagination keeps him up late anyway. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #71
In your imagination... he stays up late? villager Nov 2013 #94
your opinion has been duly noted. frylock Nov 2013 #31
oh..ok fascisthunter Nov 2013 #56
Someone on the internetz named "duffyduff" says it's the end of the story... ElboRuum Nov 2013 #61
I think he's talking about the government separating itself from accountability to the people. ancianita Nov 2013 #15
Some people have something to hide. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #18
It's an excellent read! Recommend. KoKo Nov 2013 #19
Sometimes the correct answer to a question is "I don't know." That's where I'm at and you don't brewens Nov 2013 #21
"I think you kind of have to be predisposed one way or the other to settle on believing any set". whathehell Nov 2013 #25
Remember... DirtyDawg Nov 2013 #26
K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #27
... SidDithers Nov 2013 #29
JFK wasn't your President. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #33
It's a fucking Onion newspaper. Hilarious as hell. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #37
It is a joke. Look it up. Logical Nov 2013 #72
everyone in Canada has the same access to information to have an opinion treestar Nov 2013 #88
Nice one. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #38
Pierce is absolutely correct. meanit Nov 2013 #32
+ 1,000,000,000,000. n/t Peregrine Took Nov 2013 #52
There still might be people alive whose mistakes or bad judgment will become apparent. Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #54
exactly! fascisthunter Nov 2013 #55
Anyone who watches proReality Nov 2013 #35
"CTer" --> CTist. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2013 #36
Maybe I'm too suspicious by nature... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #40
Not only was Oswald gunned down in a roomful of cops Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #68
He was a groupie. A police groupie that is. From what I've read about him. calimary Nov 2013 #79
In those days you could take a gun onto a plane treestar Nov 2013 #89
That's what makes me suspicious, too MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #80
There are too many odd coincidences regarding the Kennedy Assassination for it not to be Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #41
The assignation of JFK was the genesis of the CT meme. zeemike Nov 2013 #42
it is easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone that they were fooled ... Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #81
Yep....n/t necessary zeemike Nov 2013 #82
most important point in thread..... questionseverything Nov 2013 #100
Charles Pierce doesn't write about the evidence cpwm17 Nov 2013 #44
Even if what you claim is true dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #51
That Oswald and Oswald alone shot JFK is certain well beyond reasonable doubt. DanTex Nov 2013 #67
'The problem with articles like the one in the OP is that they abandon even the pretense of reason'' Octafish Nov 2013 #93
this pretty much sums it up for me questionseverything Nov 2013 #103
A dogmatic resistance to what can be known is just as destructive Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #45
That's a wonderful post by Pierce. scarletwoman Nov 2013 #49
It is wonderful! n/t Peregrine Took Nov 2013 #53
K&R fascisthunter Nov 2013 #58
K&R johnnyreb Nov 2013 #59
CP Didn't Need to Get Specific colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #63
Indeed. Berlum Nov 2013 #65
I don't normally buy into much of the CT - TBF Nov 2013 #66
What's unfortunate is that people like Pierce simply don't want to look at any of the evidence. DanTex Nov 2013 #69
That just sounds like a general anti-government rant treestar Nov 2013 #73
Being skeptical about what your government tells you is a bad thing. Blind faith is. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #78
He's not just skeptical treestar Nov 2013 #84
I will agree that skepticism at extremes is as bad as blind faith. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #102
and here is the real reason for the rabid anti conspiracy stuff. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #91
It may at times but this guy assumes treestar Nov 2013 #98
I'll rec NBachers Nov 2013 #83
When I was about 10, TheJames Nov 2013 #105
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