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255. Dont children who get charged as juvenile automatically get out at 18 - 22?

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 03:40 PM

Nov 2013

You would support this monster being released from prison in 3 - 8 years? I wouldn't because I could bet money this monster would kill again.

Dont get this twisted as some youthful rebellion. This kid premeditated a rape and murder, displayed a great amount of forethought bringing in a weapon, a change of clothes, and a mask. He had a plan to get the body out of the school and hide it. Kid knew what he was doing and thought he could get away with it. Lock him up for a long, long time.

Also I found this on while searching for the maximum penalty for a juvenile:

"Most jurisdictions now try juveniles as adults with serious or violent felony charges (which a premeditated murder is considered). The factors the prosecutor primarily considers when determining whether to try a minor as an adult or juvenile are: gravity of the offense; age of the offender. Given the seriousness of the offense and the minor's age"

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the worst is true: MA teacher raped before being murdered by 14 year old student [View all] cali Nov 2013 OP

It's a horrific crime, but 14 is not an adult BainsBane Nov 2013 #1

I agree. I do thing though that there should be some mechanism that ensures that he is not cali Nov 2013 #2

Yeah, I'm not sure what options exist in the juvenile justice system BainsBane Nov 2013 #3

You might find this interesting. enlightenment Nov 2013 #5

Sorry, but... GaYellowDawg Nov 2013 #6

I agree. He knew what he was doing. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #11

The frontal lobe of the brain hasn't come close to fully developing yet at that stage. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #35

I admit it. FBaggins Nov 2013 #108

Then thank you for being part of the problem, and one of the reasons why... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #114

Sorry... you've confused your terms FBaggins Nov 2013 #171

Arguments from emotion are not a solid basis for any justice system. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #172

Justice System for Whom? 4Q2u2 Nov 2013 #235

Agree get the red out Nov 2013 #65

I agree. He needs to be tried as an adult. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #206

I remember that age for me, I certainly had no impulses such as that, neither did RKP5637 Nov 2013 #111

I contemplated killing my father at that age. newcriminal Nov 2013 #120

you didn't know killing someone was wrong at that age ? JI7 Nov 2013 #156

He must have because something prompted him to not go through with it. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #184

She, I didn't know how to load a revolver. newcriminal Nov 2013 #192

My apologies. The gender thing happens to me a lot as well. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #195

No, because my 14 year old brain jumped to something else after I couldn't get that gun open. newcriminal Nov 2013 #209

His fourteen year old brain premeditated this crime. MADem Nov 2013 #242

I wouldn't want a cop living next door to me either, newcriminal Nov 2013 #243

I have to disagree. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #245

We will have to agree to disagree newcriminal Nov 2013 #248

Fair enough. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #250

Dont children who get charged as juvenile automatically get out at 18 - 22? DragonBorn Nov 2013 #255

Calling him a monster make you feel better? newcriminal Nov 2013 #256

I'll never understand DragonBorn Nov 2013 #258

He is a minor, so yes that is an appropriate sentence. newcriminal Nov 2013 #260

+1 This entire thread is an eye opener for me. I actually thought that only conservative mindset, idwiyo Nov 2013 #308

If I had my way Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2013 #346

Your post is an abject reminder of why justice is dispensed in a court of law and not by rug Nov 2013 #347

Give me a break, smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #349

He's a fourteen year old and you say he deserves to die. newcriminal Nov 2013 #357

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #275

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #276

You don't get to decide. Massachusetts law says that premeditated, felony murderers ARE tried as MADem Nov 2013 #246

You are right I don't get to decide, doesn't mean I have to agree with it. newcriminal Nov 2013 #251

This is a premeditated murderer whose crime was especially heinous. MADem Nov 2013 #253

yeah because having a republican a cop or a rapist-murderer living next door are all equally arely staircase Nov 2013 #342

yes, I did, but at that age kids don't think clearly. newcriminal Nov 2013 #191

Oh, you're wrong about this 14yo. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #249

Me either...I just don't get where all this conscienceless young hate is coming from. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #207

I often wonder if it's an imitation of the hatred they are surrounded by today, violence in RKP5637 Nov 2013 #213

Yep, I don't buy into it that he's too young to know what he was doing/did. If, that were the case, RKP5637 Nov 2013 #327

I am beginning to wonder if European countries have this sort of thing in a very big way? CTyankee Nov 2013 #9

The brain continues to develop until around age 25 marshall Nov 2013 #127

question, do you believe some people are just evil? snooper2 Nov 2013 #128

I remember that movie BainsBane Nov 2013 #131

There is one mechanism that ensures exactly that tularetom Nov 2013 #13

Mass. doesn't have it KamaAina Nov 2013 #14

Someone forgot to tell Philip D. Chism that. Fla_Democrat Nov 2013 #18

The Commonwealth as a whole is civilized. KamaAina Nov 2013 #21

Chism had only moved to MA last summer Tanuki Nov 2013 #36

The Supreme Court has said executing children is illegal BainsBane Nov 2013 #69

F'real. TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #4

As long as he is locked away from society for the rest of his life seveneyes Nov 2013 #8

I agree, he's a child not an adult. newcriminal Nov 2013 #12

Three "kids" killed a man in my town playing the knock-out game. Beacool Nov 2013 #88

That makes no sense at all. newcriminal Nov 2013 #96

For other crimes, yeah, I agree. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #28

You have a hard time seeing why he can't be held responsible as an adult? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #37

That would be amusing if this weren't so horrible... PCIntern Nov 2013 #55

You still seem to be under the delusion that the type of crime somehow indicates a level of... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #60

no, it's that this exact type of crime makes it too risky to bet on rehabilitation. bettyellen Nov 2013 #82

Agree!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #112

I applaud you for putting up the good fight here. morningfog Nov 2013 #130

I appreciate it. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #142

It's mutual. n/t Chan790 Nov 2013 #163

I take that as a complement. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #165

You shouldn't. GaYellowDawg Nov 2013 #351

My nephew was a completely different person over the course of those years. woodsprite Nov 2013 #149

I'm sorry for your situation, however anecdotes do not equate to... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #164

you have yet to provide one iota of scientific evidence backing your claims magical thyme Nov 2013 #309

juvenile recidivism magical thyme Nov 2013 #310

Who cares if he is going to be a "different person" Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #178

I disagree with your standard. morningfog Nov 2013 #179

What else is required then? Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #180

I'm not saying he shouldn't be charged and sentenced. morningfog Nov 2013 #183

The brain isn't fully developed at age 18 either. mythology Nov 2013 #291

Please do not lecture me in the subject PCIntern Nov 2013 #152

Forty years of experience and you fail to understand basic human brain development. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #217

Amazing, ain't it? ieoeja Nov 2013 #225

I think today was the first time somebody tried to call my point into question.. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #231

Facts should never be part of the equation. ieoeja Nov 2013 #254

Psych research is almost never double blinded Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #296

we are all lectured that we "don't understand brain development" magical thyme Nov 2013 #298

I based my post on emotion ... Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #70

When you were 14 Union Scribe Nov 2013 #159

You should spend some time studying human brain development. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #162

It is a logical question you don't want to answer. Union Scribe Nov 2013 #169

It's a far more complex issue than that. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #173

No, it isn't more complex than that. 14 year olds know right from wrong. MADem Nov 2013 #282

Ya know what, let's look at this from another angle. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #174

More deflections without addressing the main point. Union Scribe Nov 2013 #177

And you once again miss the point entirely. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #215

Wow, that was rude. I don't think the poster missed anything--and you are assuming facts not in MADem Nov 2013 #283

The poster made him look like a complete f'in idiot. GaYellowDawg Nov 2013 #352

Wow. You are really an idiiot. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #355

You keep making these appeals to statistics then lecturing people Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #190

What an interesting justification for treating children as adults in the justice system. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #216

In other words, you lack a rebuttal and want to shame people into not responding. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #219

So your justification is that through some never before seen property... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #220

"some never before seen property" Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #221

Simply because 14 year old children of ages past were often asked... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #224

Statistics, insults and hyperbole. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #226

Not nearly as sexy of a ring as "ignore" has . eqfan592 Nov 2013 #229

So, what other democratically enacted laws would you see circumvented by "studies"? n/t Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #230

I don't think anyone posting here on this thread would feel comfortable with that particular MADem Nov 2013 #244

Agreed. He certainly displayed consciousness of guilt when he staged the body. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #263

I keep seeing this kcr Nov 2013 #267

it has to do with how you feel about incarceration for the public's safety. bettyellen Nov 2013 #269

This isn't a little boy who shot his abusive, child-beating father. MADem Nov 2013 #273

you won't get a reply because its not about the statitics or theoricals on his brain function, bettyellen Nov 2013 #268

You are probably right but like I said, I wouldn't want that "statistic" living next door to me. MADem Nov 2013 #277

it is chilling behavior, and no one knows how to predict who will reoffend bettyellen Nov 2013 #287

I think he'll likely wind up in a secure psych facility. MADem Nov 2013 #288

You do know if charged as a juvinile he will be released in 3 - 8 years DragonBorn Nov 2013 #259

He won't be charged as a juvenile. MA law prohibits it in felony murder cases. MADem Nov 2013 #278

Grow the fuck up. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #350

Then we need to change the system so that a few juvenile offenders can get longer sentences. Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #80

It is when the crime is that heinous in the Commonwealth of MA. MADem Nov 2013 #143

Yes, he should. Per state law. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #348

Life in prison, throw away the key. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #7

+100. n/t Skip Intro Nov 2013 #10

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #15

I am interested in learning that there is no chance he will become a repeat offender. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #17

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He's not sick. He's evil. there's a difference. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #24

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I bet he was fed junk food from an early age. Are you saying mentally ill people were all abused? uppityperson Nov 2013 #30

All behavior is a mix of learned and biological. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #32

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Hospital would expose nurses and other workers to danger from him. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #34

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I oppose the death penalty. Life in prison is fine. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #49

You want to train a rapist/murderer to work in a hospital? uppityperson Nov 2013 #39

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Don't lock them in a cage, but drug them and lock them in a ward? Not sure why those uppityperson Nov 2013 #67

Oh what bullshit. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #41

I think that raping and murdering for entertainment is evil. You are free to disagree. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #45

It's no more evil than pretending a 14 year old child is an adult... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #47

That's a grotesquely stupid thing to say. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #59

No, what's grotesquely stupid is attempting to treat a 14 year old child as an adult. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #61

You're more horrified by my posts than by his crime. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #62

Nice straw man argument. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #66

You're awfully quick to use extreme hyperbole geek tragedy Nov 2013 #72

So you feel that there are varying degrees of "evil" as well? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #90

When you use phrases like 'no more evil than' you are in fact downplaying it. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #93

No, I'm not. But you seem incapable of understanding that. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #94

Yes... you kinda did. LanternWaste Nov 2013 #87

Note he said "more horrified." eqfan592 Nov 2013 #89

Did you grow up on a farm? snooper2 Nov 2013 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author Go Vols Nov 2013 #141

you equated this brutal rape and murder -"It's no more evil" than pretending a 14 year old child bettyellen Nov 2013 #139

You missed the point completely. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #144

that is because you view it as revenge, I view it as a wise move for public safety. bettyellen Nov 2013 #148

Thank you for demonstrating your lack of understanding. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #161

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #353

+1 Cha Nov 2013 #140

He is on a roll. Rex Nov 2013 #214

I'm not pretending any such thing. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #218

Not for nothing, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #228

Kids Have a Developed Conscience By 10 YO Or So Upward Nov 2013 #295

You are just ridiculous. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #313

He had a boxcutter on him, that he got from the art room, and a change of clothes. MADem Nov 2013 #147

How do you know he's sick? greatauntoftriplets Nov 2013 #52

He has to be sick because mentally healthy people do not rape, murder. So by definition uppityperson Nov 2013 #74

So let's blame the victim! greatauntoftriplets Nov 2013 #75

Big-pharma and fast food ventures. uppityperson Nov 2013 #76

Physicians! greatauntoftriplets Nov 2013 #79

I agree he is sick, but this kind of sociopathy is generally not curable. bettyellen Nov 2013 #85

You are just wrong. morningfog Nov 2013 #132

So what? Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #181

He can't get the death penalty. Thankfully, the Supreme Court has morningfog Nov 2013 #187

How long do you think he should get? Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #212

He is an extreme sexual predator as well as a rapist. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #182

You have no foundation for that. morningfog Nov 2013 #186

He went to the fucking movies after raping and torturing and murdering geek tragedy Nov 2013 #188

Again, you have no foundation to deem that whatever went wrong in his head morningfog Nov 2013 #189

It's textbook sociopathy, and it doesn't get cured. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #193

I am impressed by your ability to make bullshit diagnoses. morningfog Nov 2013 #196

He planned the kidnapping/rape/torture/murder of his teacher, then went home, changed geek tragedy Nov 2013 #199

Clearly something went very wrong in his head. morningfog Nov 2013 #203

o rly? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #222

he can watch the rape/torture porn then he wont do it in real life? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #198

That's it, he's a victim of not having access to rape porn. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #200

see. we have a whole new form of therapy for these bottomfeeders. feed them the worst of the seabeyond Nov 2013 #204

for real, i would like for them to go thru his computer at home, or his phone and get back to us. seabeyond Nov 2013 #210

What's the recidivism rate for young offenders thucythucy Nov 2013 #289

He may be a human being, but he committed RebelOne Nov 2013 #19

Completely agreed. Union Scribe Nov 2013 #158

Perhaps it is not right to try him as an adult LittleBlue Nov 2013 #16

Trying him as a juvenile automatically means he gets a chance geek tragedy Nov 2013 #22

That's right! In fact, just lock EVERYBODY up! eqfan592 Nov 2013 #42

That is one bizarre, irrational argument. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #48

It's exactly the same level of rationality as you continue to try and use to justify... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #63

How is that treating a 14 year old child as though they were an adult???...... meti57b Nov 2013 #83

You think locking somebody up in the US prison system... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #91

Oh,enough with this pity for a "child". smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #285

Most of the people in this thread have a defensible point of view Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #73

Quails? HangOnKids Nov 2013 #113

To "quail" enlightenment Nov 2013 #117

The word is quell not quail HangOnKids Nov 2013 #119

look further down... opiate69 Nov 2013 #121

Thanks! I never heard it used like that. HangOnKids Nov 2013 #122

no problemo.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #123

No, it is quail. enlightenment Nov 2013 #124

The suspicion that he'll do it again seems to be the motivation behind a lot kcr Nov 2013 #115

Except that's the reason we lock up all murderers Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #262

Not really. kcr Nov 2013 #266

This /\ renie408 Nov 2013 #23

He should be released at some point, rehabilitation depending. morningfog Nov 2013 #133

What happened? get the red out Nov 2013 #233

Right, or whatever--it's Massachusetts law. MADem Nov 2013 #247

How does this happen? How does a 14-year old become a rapist & murderer? scarletwoman Nov 2013 #25

Disorder get the red out Nov 2013 #234

How do you figure out if someone is irrevocably screwed up? renie408 Nov 2013 #26

14 is old enough to know what murder is and to know fundamental right and wrong. magical thyme Nov 2013 #29

How can you be so SURE? renie408 Nov 2013 #38

What "extenuating circumstances" would in any way excuse his rape and murder of this woman? uppityperson Nov 2013 #44

Nothing excuses it, but something might explain it. renie408 Nov 2013 #51

well that is the sole extenuating circumstance. magical thyme Nov 2013 #68

that kid put a shot gun in both his grand parents' mouths, shot them repeatedly and THEN burned the bettyellen Nov 2013 #81

What do you think they gave him meds for? kcr Nov 2013 #103

he had a history of suicidal behaviour and acting out which is why he was on meds. bettyellen Nov 2013 #126

No; homicidal behavior as well. But of course, I'm just part of the Tin-Foil Hat Brigade. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #331

Name one extenuating circumstance that justifies murder and rape. magical thyme Nov 2013 #50

Well, when you put it that way... renie408 Nov 2013 #58

I agree, Magical Thyme, let's see how many are willing to take him in their home. Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #53

In this case there is no chance of executing the wrong criminal. FarCenter Nov 2013 #31

Seriously? The death penalty? For a 14 year old??? renie408 Nov 2013 #40

You are for the death penalty, so long as it is for the "right" criminal? uppityperson Nov 2013 #46

It never is. Not for a war criminal, not for a child molester, NuclearDem Nov 2013 #71

Sorry; I'll have to disagree, re: Nuremburg Trials (and Eichmann later). WinkyDink Nov 2013 #332

Well to each their own. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #339

Thankfully, society and the Supreme Court have evolved beyond your level. morningfog Nov 2013 #134

Not in the Bay State. We don't do executions. nt MADem Nov 2013 #150

LOL, so if we are "really really really super duper sure"...idiotic! nt Logical Nov 2013 #154

no RedCappedBandit Nov 2013 #356

He's a high school freshman. knitter4democracy Nov 2013 #54

Some people are born evil, it is not always learned behavior. Some people RKP5637 Nov 2013 #116

I've had a few scary students. knitter4democracy Nov 2013 #153

Thinking back to high school, for example, some students wore their scariness ... RKP5637 Nov 2013 #175

No one is born evil. morningfog Nov 2013 #261

Here is an interesting short article, for example ... RKP5637 Nov 2013 #264

Did you read the article? morningfog Nov 2013 #265

Yes, of course I read the article. What it says is there is a predisposition to behavior RKP5637 Nov 2013 #272

Triggered by environmental conditions and conditioning. morningfog Nov 2013 #294

It boils down to the old heredity versus environment RKP5637 Nov 2013 #311

Psychopaths might be. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #334

WTF does "evil" mean? He has a demon soul? Lucifer is his daddy? Spirits infest and control him? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #279

Please pick a better word. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #281

The crime is horrific, but Vattel Nov 2013 #57

He alreay is charged as an adult. LisaL Nov 2013 #64

Is there any redemption for a kid capable of that? Deep13 Nov 2013 #77

I would not say "rabid" but that moment of hate is pretty nasty. nt JanMichael Nov 2013 #92

A bit more than a "moment"--and for a teacher who was trying to help him pass a test MADem Nov 2013 #151

Now, now, Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #170

His victim was just out of college, still burdened with loans, working at the job of her dreams, so MADem Nov 2013 #240

Thank you! smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #354

Jesus Christ! bunnies Nov 2013 #205

It gets worse. He attacked her wearing a hood, and masked his face MADem Nov 2013 #236

It's my opinion that the police stopped a serial killer in the making. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #239

I think so, too. The "ritual staging of the body" and the taking of personal MADem Nov 2013 #241

This crime was absolutely horrific. smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #284

I agree. This isn't a kid who beat an abusive parent, this is someone who viciously MADem Nov 2013 #286

I read that last night. bunnies Nov 2013 #312

he raped her corpse with a branch magical thyme Nov 2013 #314

Sick fucker. bunnies Nov 2013 #316

No. Zero. Yeah, he'll grow up to live in Suburbia with a wife, dog, and two kids. Riiiight. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #333

Considering the crime, this guy should be tried as an adult. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #78

What a mess, what a loss...I am speechless and saddened ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #84

Poor girl!!!! Beacool Nov 2013 #86

It saddens me that so many here see the justice system as about vengeance BainsBane Nov 2013 #95

This is very well stated BB... We need to have an "intermediate" step. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #97

I think many see it as a system that should in part at least be about protecting people arely staircase Nov 2013 #343

Protecting society is paramount BainsBane Nov 2013 #344

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #98

Really? ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #99

Will be gone by daybreak. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #100

Give it 10 minutes or so BainsBane Nov 2013 #101

I just got done searching his/her posts because I swore they made me go "huh?" once before this week ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #102

gone BainsBane Nov 2013 #104

BOOM! NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #105

Did the deed myself. BainsBane Nov 2013 #106

You're the best BB! ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #109

Another notch! NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #110

Job well done MIRT... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #107

Her death saddens me, and that a child of 14 could do it saddens me. Lex Nov 2013 #118

He is not fixable. Beausoir Nov 2013 #125

You have no way of knowing how "fixable" he is. morningfog Nov 2013 #135

He's not fixable. Beausoir Nov 2013 #136

You have no basis to make that statement. It is absolutely meaningless morningfog Nov 2013 #137

After he slashed her throat he wheeled her corpse outside and them he rammed a tree limb up her Beausoir Nov 2013 #305

Deary? Please. morningfog Nov 2013 #318

I beg to differ BainsBane Nov 2013 #138

LOL. What a load of bull. That monster is not fixable. He will be caged forever. Beausoir Nov 2013 #302

LOL, Wow, you based that on? nt Logical Nov 2013 #155

Okay, I grew up poor as in a slice of bread for supper sometimes. raging moderate Nov 2013 #145

Speaking as an academic librarian and teacher Iris Nov 2013 #157

I don't agree with trying minors as adults. It's a double standard. white_wolf Nov 2013 #146

Why are there age of consent laws and why is the age of consent almost always higher than 14? Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #160

There isn't a sudden point at which all points of morality and responsibility at once become clear muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #166

but all of those matters relates to impulse control. Enlightened society have understood for Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #168

how does impulse control figure into an act that was planned in advance? bettyellen Nov 2013 #293

one does not interpret the actions of a child the same way one interprets the actions of an adult Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #307

interpretation? seriously? this was a planned murder, not an impulsive manslaughter. magical thyme Nov 2013 #321

a murderer that happened to be a child. I simply don't agree with you that children can be held to Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #322

well the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (and many other states) don't agree with you magical thyme Nov 2013 #323

well this is completely out of step with almost every other western democracy on earth Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #324

Those are there based on the presumption that 14 year olds geek tragedy Nov 2013 #185

When I come across crimes that I cannot even begin to comprehend where the motivation is beyond my Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #194

This was a planned, premeditated act. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #197

Absolutely. HappyMe Nov 2013 #202

a fourteen year old is not an adult. Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #208

"all rational faculties would have told any thinking adult that there is a 100% chance that they geek tragedy Nov 2013 #223

those guys in supermax are not fourteen years old children - this chlld is Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #227

If there were a mechanism in place to confine if there's no rehabilitiation, that would be one thing geek tragedy Nov 2013 #232

Life with possibility of parole is probably what he should get. morningfog Nov 2013 #319

That sounds very reasonable. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #320

In Massachusetts, a conviction of first degree murder carries a mandatory sentence of Tanuki Nov 2013 #329

That is true, but the Supreme Court has ruled that a juvenile cannot be charged so as to be morningfog Nov 2013 #330

I'm in favor of trying him as an adult... Chan790 Nov 2013 #167

I'm in favor of trying him as an adult. HappyMe Nov 2013 #176

I agree. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #201

I agree Locrian Nov 2013 #257

I would really like to see all evidence presented in this case. Such horrific crime idwiyo Nov 2013 #211

He's the only suspect, and his guilt is really not in question. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #238

He needs proper psychiatric assessment, done by at least two independent professionals. idwiyo Nov 2013 #270

by planning the details, then staging her body and leaving a note, he showed he was likely bettyellen Nov 2013 #271

Doing time in prison is not 'escaping responsibility'. I don't support vengeance based prison system. idwiyo Nov 2013 #290

you go cling to the fantasy that it is about vengeance, or that his lawyers will not blame everything bettyellen Nov 2013 #292

US legal system is vengence based, and it doesn't work. Also, are you replying to the right post? idwiyo Nov 2013 #297

yes, but it is all we have right now. doesn't mean that no one should go to jail, LOL. sorry. bettyellen Nov 2013 #299

Did anyone tell you this kid should go free? Where did you get that from? Not from my posts. idwiyo Nov 2013 #301

minors automatically go free at a certain age, unless they are confined to a psych hospital bettyellen Nov 2013 #303

There is no point discussing this topic with someone who beleives 14yo is an adult. Is there? idwiyo Nov 2013 #306

I did not see a single person say they think he is an adult. Link, please? bettyellen Nov 2013 #325

Lobby to change the law than, instead of arguing he is mature enough to treat as adult. idwiyo Nov 2013 #326

I don' have resourses for a new pet cause, but thank you. in the meantime, prosecters make bettyellen Nov 2013 #336

I repeat, no point discussing this topic with anyone who wants to treat 14yo as adult based on fear. idwiyo Nov 2013 #337

Oh please, you want to shame me a scaredy cat. LOL. It is entirely a public safety issue. bettyellen Nov 2013 #340

I repeat, no point discussing this topic with anyone who wants to treat 14yo as adult based on fear idwiyo Nov 2013 #341

nt every 14 year old, just the ones who plan snd commit brutal torture and murder. bettyellen Nov 2013 #345

He'll be assessed to pieces B2G Nov 2013 #274

If suspects were "likely" we'd stop them. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #335

'Likely suspect' means someone with previous history of violence and/or cruelty. idwiyo Nov 2013 #338

sometimes God does make junk FatBuddy Nov 2013 #237

Haha. Well but then again... Somehow I doubt he got a good upbringing. Quantess Nov 2013 #252

So does DNA, chemicals and conditioning NoOneMan Nov 2013 #280

the "object" he raped her with was the branch of a tree magical thyme Nov 2013 #300

Oh..but he is soooo fixable! Beausoir Nov 2013 #304

What a sick little fuck! smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #315

link to search warrant affidavit... magical thyme Nov 2013 #317

We're not talking B&E or auto theft here. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #328