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Insurers to pay doctors 30-40% less under exchange plans. [View all] eridani Nov 2013 OP

Why do all these "experts" always ignore economics 101? tridim Nov 2013 #1

The market will always say that sick people should be executed for not having money eridani Nov 2013 #12

That's not the HC market, that's the investors. tridim Nov 2013 #56

Markets have no legitimate role in providing public goods eridani Nov 2013 #138

Doctors in the US are paid way too much as it is. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #2

some but not all. hobbit709 Nov 2013 #4

What's your solution for that? Make it easier and cheaper to BECOME a doctor? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #5

Exactly, what's the average length in school and student loan debt Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #7

I agree. Making it easier, cheaper to become a doctor would be a great step. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #9

That would have been the major tenet of my ACA. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #13

I like your solution. We should also subsidize engineering degrees and other JaneyVee Nov 2013 #17

Doctor yeoman6987 Nov 2013 #105

Having recently experienced health care in France for a broken leg and the upon my return to the Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #126

Because the French don't have the for-profit middleman mainer Nov 2013 #168

I think you are right and I did not experience long waiting lines or months for health care. Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #170

I wasn't referring to training. n/t cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #181

The AMA won't allow that. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #189

long and hard and expensive gasman09 Nov 2013 #15

Don't you get paid an hourly wage as well? JaneyVee Nov 2013 #18

Salary plus production bonus gasman09 Nov 2013 #20

You are kidding right? Chuuku Davis Nov 2013 #117

welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #21

and your average annual income for the last five years? hfojvt Nov 2013 #32

Envy is not becoming gasman09 Nov 2013 #47

who said anything about envy? hfojvt Nov 2013 #50

You pay 1 day of your wages to visit a doctor, true. How much of that does the doctor keep? uppityperson Nov 2013 #53

insurance pays half of that hfojvt Nov 2013 #67

I wrote ins pays 1/2, write off the rest. If you pay cash, typically there is a 10% discount, and uppityperson Nov 2013 #71

still a lot treestar Nov 2013 #120

My PCP clears around 50K a year for 4 days a week. That is "still a lot"? uppityperson Nov 2013 #123

It should be respectably middle class but not huge treestar Nov 2013 #125

Just because a clinic's hours may be 9-5 does not mean that is the hours worked. uppityperson Nov 2013 #128

"9-5 type hours, not terribly difficult?" mainer Nov 2013 #147

9 to 5 types hours covers a lot of professionals treestar Nov 2013 #151

No, the AMA has been trying to increase # of medical schools mainer Nov 2013 #154

If it would lower health care costs treestar Nov 2013 #159

And it's NOT just "9 - 5." mainer Nov 2013 #155

They can. treestar Nov 2013 #160

discount gasman09 Nov 2013 #58

"envy is not becoming" hfojvt Nov 2013 #69

Not "e" gasman09 Nov 2013 #75

sounds to me then hfojvt Nov 2013 #87

My PCP told me how much he makes a year. Not to the dollar but in the range. Try it, you might be uppityperson Nov 2013 #95

lots of hate for healthcare providers!!!! gasman09 Nov 2013 #113

Doctors should be able to make good money because their expenses are pretty high OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #118

The answer is "d", if anyone's interested davekriss Nov 2013 #112

Thank you for what you do. redstatebluegirl Nov 2013 #81

actually my own daddy sent me to school hfojvt Nov 2013 #89

My husband loves teaching and research. redstatebluegirl Nov 2013 #90

I got my BA in 1985 hfojvt Nov 2013 #94

How much lower would it have to be before you'd quit? treestar Nov 2013 #124

You are a lawyer complaining about how much doctors make? uppityperson Nov 2013 #129

Not all lawyers make bank. n/t Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #135

Same applies to doctors. uppityperson Nov 2013 #136

Oh, agreed. Pediatricians come immediately to mind. Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #140

Did you read my post? treestar Nov 2013 #149

Not a conservative gasman09 Nov 2013 #171

why does it matter what he makes. Travis_0004 Nov 2013 #61

whee hfojvt Nov 2013 #74

Honestly, blame part of the on the very reimbursements this thread is discussing joeglow3 Nov 2013 #66

the dentist I know hfojvt Nov 2013 #76

I'm not yet a Medicare patient, but rusty fender Nov 2013 #116

You aren't looking at this correctly Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #70

wait "if you live OUT of state" hfojvt Nov 2013 #80

In-state isn't cheap either... Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #109

Insurance companies are killing us all (while making record profits). Laelth Nov 2013 #127

but the world does not work that way hfojvt Nov 2013 #184

welcome to DU! renate Nov 2013 #104

For my oldest daughter? Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #57

That's a lifetime investment. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #68

New rules BlueStreak Nov 2013 #114

You do know medical schools limit enrollment for the reason they could make outrageous pay. duffyduff Nov 2013 #173

Indentured servitude? pangaia Nov 2013 #177

So, he makes too much? Are you proposing some kind of law limiting doctor pay? n/t cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #180

Not at all. pangaia Nov 2013 #182

Certainly not primary care physicians mainer Nov 2013 #16

And especially not Pediatricians. Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #60

oh really? and you base your statement on what? magical thyme Nov 2013 #24

why so defensive? hfojvt Nov 2013 #38

my questions are legitimate, not defensive... magical thyme Nov 2013 #46

vacations are one thing hfojvt Nov 2013 #52

Your point about the jeep is they called it a "toy"? uppityperson Nov 2013 #55

so go to medical school, become a doctor and you too can own those things...nt magical thyme Nov 2013 #134

You admit you do not know what doctor's income is, yet assume. A jeep means they are filthy rich, or uppityperson Nov 2013 #51

3 loans is one thing hfojvt Nov 2013 #64

So you want him to pay the same amount, get a loan for the same amount, but an older house? uppityperson Nov 2013 #72

specialists and often dentists often are, but not usually GPs. nt Deep13 Nov 2013 #77

Is $160,000 a year too much? mainer Nov 2013 #84

Which is more than Sgent Nov 2013 #98

How do you figure that? elias7 Nov 2013 #115

Yes! Doctors should be paid at the same rate as you are! Beausoir Nov 2013 #142

The gravy train for doctors in this country is about over. duffyduff Nov 2013 #172

My beef with ACA has always been that it was insurance instead of health care. hobbit709 Nov 2013 #3

For the last 15 years I have been expected to produce more for less at my job. jbond56 Nov 2013 #6

+1 n/t Bonhomme Richard Nov 2013 #10

so have doctors... magical thyme Nov 2013 #25

And the number of patients they are being expected to see is actually increasing. Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #65

I know. That's why it's ludicrous for people to claim they're in collusion w/insurance companies magical thyme Nov 2013 #133

Take out the middleman. Pay the doctors, starve the insurance guys mainer Nov 2013 #8

Might be good, but even under Medicare, insurance companies do most of administrative work. Hoyt Nov 2013 #27

Claims processing for basic Medicare is also done by insurance companies FarCenter Nov 2013 #30

I know, insurance companies do most of admin work. Plus, drug coverage is through insurance Hoyt Nov 2013 #39

So pay the insurers and starve the doctors? mainer Nov 2013 #165

Apparently you missed the point. But, see how quickly you get an appendectomy without insurance Hoyt Nov 2013 #166

See how fast you get an appendectomy without a doctor mainer Nov 2013 #167

I did not say that, you need to read the posts again. Only this time Hoyt Nov 2013 #169

Anti-ACA threads are counterproductive and should be ignored. gulliver Nov 2013 #11

Because ignoring things always makes them better frustrated_lefty Nov 2013 #14

wow, THANK YOU philosslayer Nov 2013 #131

Two simple questions. How do they know it is an exchange policy? & Since they arent in force stevenleser Nov 2013 #19

They do know if it's an exchange policy by group # flamingdem Nov 2013 #22

LA PasadenaTrudy Nov 2013 #23

LA as in Los Angeles. It's by zip code and my hospital would be UCLA Harbor flamingdem Nov 2013 #40

What do you mean "aren't being accepted"? That is present tense. That is not possible. stevenleser Nov 2013 #26

Insurance companies contract with physicians. Apparently some -- maybe a lot -- are not accepting Hoyt Nov 2013 #28

Well, I've contacted two hospitals there to find out. stevenleser Nov 2013 #31

I would imagine it means the hospitals have reviewed the fed regs and policies Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #29

I reached out to UCLA medical center and Cedar Sinai to see what they have to say. stevenleser Nov 2013 #34

Some NY Hospitals Opting Out of Health Exchange Plans FarCenter Nov 2013 #36

I can already tell you that Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield are not covered by them flamingdem Nov 2013 #41

I look forward to reading what they have to say. Perhaps an OP would be in order. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #43

Response #1 (UCLA Medical Center) stevenleser Nov 2013 #145

Thanks Steve, very interesting that Anthem does cover them flamingdem Nov 2013 #157

Response #2 Cedars Sinai. Looks like they have fully embraced ACA stevenleser Nov 2013 #185

Yes exactly Anthem and Blue Shield are excluded flamingdem Nov 2013 #187

Anthem EPO looks like it works with UCLA doctors / hospital but when flamingdem Nov 2013 #188

I found out more about the Anthem EPO after another round of calls flamingdem Nov 2013 #190

The contracting logically would have to be in place before the plans go effective. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #35

How would they break them? flamingdem Nov 2013 #45

Already in progress. Increase nurse practitioners and make them a less valuable commodity TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #54

Insurers don't contract by group number/type, they contract by type of policy - HMO, PPO, etc. cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #49

That seems to be the case judging from my first response from UCLA. See above nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #146

Instead of "Medicare for all", ACA is more like "Means-tested Medicaid for all". FarCenter Nov 2013 #33

The AMA works hard to limit the number of doctors treestar Nov 2013 #37

Hey man! It costs money to be wealthy! JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #42

Agree flamingdem Nov 2013 #59

My wife (primary care physician) found out she needs to re-enroll taught_me_patience Nov 2013 #44

Medicare is lowering all of their mental health rates by 3%-25% in 2014.... cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #48

Does anyone need more proof insurance companies are bloodsucking assholes? The thread title sums uppityperson Nov 2013 #62

Too many "if's" in this story coming from the right wing propaganda machine Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #63

Wouldn't doctors on single payer complain about the same thing? pnwmom Nov 2013 #73

Yes NoOneMan Nov 2013 #79

Most good doctors I've called take Medicare but NOT ACA flamingdem Nov 2013 #82

I work for a large health insurance company.... cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #85

You're not informed. I called insurers, doctors and hospitals flamingdem Nov 2013 #86

LOL....I do this as my job everyday. cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #91

Silver Level Blueshield PPO - could do Anthem EPO but that's more narrow flamingdem Nov 2013 #92

Have you called Blueshield PPO to ask about their network? cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #97

So you're not going to do any work to prove your claim after all? flamingdem Nov 2013 #99

You said you called the doctors and hospitals and asked them if they "took ACA".... cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #106

Look again under Covered California nt flamingdem Nov 2013 #108

UK pays doctors a decent income mainer Nov 2013 #83

We have a shortage of family doctors because specialists make pnwmom Nov 2013 #88

Once one is older we need specialists flamingdem Nov 2013 #93

I'm going to ask our primary care doctor which insurances pnwmom Nov 2013 #107

True, it's an interesting bash coming from the left treestar Nov 2013 #121

This is great news! NoOneMan Nov 2013 #78

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #96

Here, from the article... uppityperson Nov 2013 #100

It was my understanding... cyberswede Nov 2013 #102

I know uppityperson Nov 2013 #103

You & your fancy numbers & stuff! cyberswede Nov 2013 #111

Which is why I hid behind the door when that talent was offered. What can I say? freshwest Nov 2013 #144

To those who say that doctors are overpaid. BlueCheese Nov 2013 #101

IMO the AMA probably makes the difficulty, too treestar Nov 2013 #122

Health care has gotten a lot more complicated, the more is known, the more technology there is uppityperson Nov 2013 #130

Tell me about it. Adsos Letter Nov 2013 #139

But I was talking about GPs treestar Nov 2013 #150

Perhaps you're not aware of what "GPs" actually do mainer Nov 2013 #152

Every profession has people in the lowest ranks treestar Nov 2013 #161

The lowest rank of doctor is still 11 years of training mainer Nov 2013 #164

Yep GPs just are stupid know nothing Drs. gasman09 Nov 2013 #183

So, let's figure out how to get more folks into primary care... HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #110

So we basically want to ensure that NO ONE goes into medicine then. Good plan. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #119

Doctors should be insulated against their patients poverty XRubicon Nov 2013 #132

Please explain how Medicare For All will PASS??? Your entire post is a moot point. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #137

State by state, obviously eridani Nov 2013 #141

OK, but we needed something nationally NOW, and MANY states will never pass Medicare For All. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #148

PLease inform me if I am wrong, but doctor/hospitals choose which insrurane plans Incitatus Nov 2013 #143

Medical treatment will be outsourced. nt valerief Nov 2013 #153

Average salaries for physicians... 99Forever Nov 2013 #156

Those days are about over. That can't be sustained. n/t duffyduff Nov 2013 #174

Welp Tien1985 Nov 2013 #158

Well, that sounds like an attempt by insurance companies to sabotage healthcare kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #162

My family doctor is worth 30-40% less fadedrose Nov 2013 #163

With improved medicare for all, there's still a shortage of doctors, and they'll still be paid less bhikkhu Nov 2013 #175

With Medicare for All being paid less only decreases gross income eridani Nov 2013 #179

How about the middle men, or the hospitals that charge 8 dollars for an aspirin. Where do the lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #176

The goal is ALWAYS to suck profits to the very top. woo me with science Nov 2013 #178

exactly. great post. solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #186