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Proud Public Servant

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9. I spent several years working on Afghanistan policy
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 03:47 PM
Nov 2013

Here's the simple, not-so-secret truth: it's not about Afghanistan. It's about Pakistan. The U.S.'s greatest fear is that Afghanistan will collapse into civil war after we leave, and one of three things will happen: (1) Pakistan will back the Taliban again, and we'll end up with the Taliban in power again, and the last 12 years will have been for nothing; (2) Pakistan will back the Taliban, Iran will back the northern alliance, and Afghanistan will become the staging ground for a proxy war that will destabilize the whole region, or (3) The Afghan Taliban will not only come to power (either on their own or with an assist from Pakistan's ISI), but will embolden the Pakistani Taliban, who in turn will destabilize Pakistan's government and end up with control of Pakistan's nukes.

Any of those are plausible. All of them should keep you up at night. I am very decidedly not a fan of our Afghanistan strategy, but I understand the corner we've painter ourselves into.

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Long-term revenue stream for the MIC. Scuba Nov 2013 #1
War, death, destruction, long term stabilization = BIG MIC $$$$$. That, is what RKP5637 Nov 2013 #3
That's the only thing I could think of... Blus4u Nov 2013 #4
It's what they should have done in Iraq as well giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #2
"Stabalized" for the benefit of whom? Scuba Nov 2013 #6
Well considering we went into their country 12 yrs giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #12
And of course our one and only option is .... military. No one could have predicted that. Scuba Nov 2013 #19
What do you want to do? Put the Peace Corps over giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #26
Yeah, I seem to recall six years of my life not being a stone cold killer. Scuba Nov 2013 #29
My point exactly, i wasn't a stone cold killer either. giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #33
So what are you advocating? Scuba Nov 2013 #34
If there is no other option then yes. giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #35
So funding an international peace/rebuilding coalition never got any traction? Scuba Nov 2013 #36
Honestly, fuck if I know. giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #37
We didn't "abandon" Iraq. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #21
Exactly, the Iraqis didn't want to put a SOFA giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #28
But, as a nation, we cannot sustain that. Blus4u Nov 2013 #7
We have been shutting down bases in Germany giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #13
And as I suggested in my reply to you above, we chose continued military involvement .... Scuba Nov 2013 #20
We've been there 12 fucking years! rusty fender Nov 2013 #31
Apples and oranges. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #15
We're not done with Iran. Laelth Nov 2013 #5
No wonder Iran is deemed a threat. Look how they put their country right in the middle of our bases. Scuba Nov 2013 #8
Precisely. (sarcasm) n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #10
Persians, getting in the way of freedumb and capitalism. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #17
I spent several years working on Afghanistan policy Proud Public Servant Nov 2013 #9
Very interesting. Thanks for the post. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #11
"but I understand the corner we've painted ourselves into." Blus4u Nov 2013 #27
Not even if you give them the F-16s demanded by the kidnappers of Daniel Pearl. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #39
Hillary helped negotiate it so it must be good. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #14
Taliban. They're real. nt jazzimov Nov 2013 #16
The concern that the Taliban will reassert control from a government Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #18
It's not the job of the USA to bring stability to every country in the world. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #23
The OP asked for a rational reason. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #25
Chapter VII of the UN Charter authorizes the UN to take military action Ace Acme Nov 2013 #32
The UN has no military. They authorize members to fight for them. Only the Security Council can Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #41
The USA is not authorized to engage in unauthorized military adventures. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #42
The US and any state can act within their interests for self defense. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #44
Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, and Yemen are not a threat to us. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #45
Now I know the speach you were talking about. unfortunately, not one item of he speach was Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #43
Doesn't change the fact that JFK endorsed a proposal for TOTAL disarmanent nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #46
He did that while leading the nation in a war with Veitnam, and after Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #50
He proposed total disarmament, he proposed a joint USSR/USA moon landing, he pledged Ace Acme Nov 2013 #52
Favorable PR for a lost war fought for PR. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #22
That Democrats are so quick to validate Republican mistakes is quite dismaying. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #24
+1 Scuba Nov 2013 #30
Because if we don't stay CFLDem Nov 2013 #38
there is none. demigoddess Nov 2013 #40
^_^_^_^_^_^ ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #48
There is nothing new about the USA keeping some troops in Afghanistan until 2024. bluestate10 Nov 2013 #47
The same rationale that caused us to go in in the first place... Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #49
O.I.L. magical thyme Nov 2013 #51
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