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Bolo Boffin

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43. We don't have to know his motive to know he did it.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:10 PM
Nov 2013

And, no, killing a politician and being politically active does not logically exclude all possible personal reasons. As a simple example, a politically involved person comes home, finds a politician in his bed with his wife, and kills him. You may have a gut feeling that this is a purely political crime, but don't confuse that with logic.

And does Oswald strike you as the kind of person who dealt with his politics dispassionately? He doesn't strike me that way. I very much doubt that any one reason will be the sole one. It's more likely Oswald shot Kennedy for a number of reasons, both personal and political. So any solely political motive would not require another actor besides Oswald.

Manipulated into doing it: when? Oswald was as intense a loner as someone living in a house with eighteen people could be. The only phone in the house was a scarce resource and he never used it anyway. He went to his room and shut the door. He never had visitors. The phone at work he could only use by permission. His use of the Paines's phone would have been seen. So the only time he could have had a lengthy conversation with anyone was in between his boarding room and the TSBD. And that's something he would have had to volunteer for. He went off for an ACLU meeting once, I believe. So as little and precious as it was, there would have been time for him to talk here and there with his manipulators. But the vast majority of time he spent in the sole company of his one and true manipulator: himself.

Furthermore, he was at the TSBD by chance. It was a temp job and he was already looking for the next one. This one had lasted longer than normal because the regular employees were replacing the flooring in the building and a rush was still ongoing. His first day at work, his boss arbitrarily assigned him to the Elm warehouse instead of to the other open job at another location which would wind up being off JFK's route. The sheer happenstance way he was on the route argues against any manipulation into shooting Kennedy. The hand of an external manipulator is quite invisible in how he wound up in a place to shoot the president, invisible to the point of being non-existent.

I would argue with the idea that a majority thinks he was manipulated into it. A sizable chunk of that majority thinks he was just a patsy. That's not being manipulated into shooting the President.

Besides all this, I've been thinking about writing a slate-pitchy post extraordinare about how killing Kennedy was the last thing the usual suspects in a conspiracy would have wanted, and killing Oswald was the last thing they'd want following that. I think there's an argument to be made there.

A taste of it: Accepting the proposition that Kennedy would have withdrawn from Vietnam (the reason for his assassination according to the CIA/MIC theory), everyone agrees that he would have done nothing substantial until after the 1964 election. He was going to wait until then to take the political hit. There were far more options in place than just killing him for the CIA and the MIC. He was a great president, but he would fuck any woman in a ten-mile radius. Anyone who wanted him out of the picture could have just exposed his many, many affairs. The American public would have kicked him to the curb. He already had the political liability of being a Catholic, something he'd barely negotiated in 1960. Combine that with serial cheating on his wife becoming public and I don't see how he could have won. Kennedy winning on the ropes: could he have taken the further hit of getting out of Vietnam? Goldwater winning: in May 1964 he openly contemplated using nukes in Vietnam. He tried to walk it back some, but did Kennedy ever do that? The military would have loved having Goldwater around. Killing Kennedy was idiotic of them in this case. All they had to do was sink him in the election and get Goldwater in there.

Killing Kennedy was the act of someone with no other strong options in his life. Here's another motive I didn't include: Oswald killed Kennedy so he would never have to be Lee Oswald, dirt-poor shipping clerk and failed revolutionary, ever again. He had the skill set. He had the rifle. He took his shot.

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I May Kick This One Or Twice Over The Next Couple Of Days... WillyT Nov 2013 #1
Lies billhicks76 Nov 2013 #10
"We're heading into nut country"-JFK to aide, one hour before being assassinated. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #2
Yes! Yes! YES! SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2013 #3
So what? Motive isn't evidence. duffyduff Nov 2013 #4
And yet, it was a Communist who supposedly killed him. Now why would a Communist sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #18
the same reason a socialist might want to kill a "socialist" president. hint: he's not really Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #28
Gee you have it all figured out HangOnKids Nov 2013 #29
I will strive to Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #30
Love all of your posts HangOnKids Nov 2013 #32
Great! I'm shooting for ProSense numbers. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #33
Fabulous HangOnKids Nov 2013 #34
You're not kidding. Wow. nt laundry_queen Nov 2013 #41
Look who killed Israel's Rabin DFW Nov 2013 #31
Repug nazi Birchers, still the same 50 years later. Mc Mike Nov 2013 #5
Whether Many Wanted Him Dead Or Not Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #6
And that person was not a Right Wing, rabid anti-Communist. That person WAS a communist. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #19
Knowing why Oswald did it or not doesn't change the fact that he did. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #20
I wish I could be so certain about events that took place, anywhere actually, that I did not sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #22
"Motive is extremely important in any murder case." I disagree. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #27
Well, you prove my point. We don't know what his motive was. We know he was politically involved sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #37
Bullshit. zappaman Nov 2013 #38
Millions of people are angry at their wives. They don't go out and kill Presidents over it. THAT is sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #39
Obviously, you missed the point. zappaman Nov 2013 #40
We don't have to know his motive to know he did it. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #43
Put your faith in one who seeks the truth. Avoid any who claim to have found it. Scuba Nov 2013 #7
I think that's probably been true for every American president. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #8
And That Was My Point... Forget The Conspiracy Argument For A Moment Every Now And Then... WillyT Nov 2013 #9
Yes, it is. ancianita Nov 2013 #16
And today those that wish to kill the president Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #17
When was there an attempt to kill Nixon? I missed that bit of news for sure. Sognefjord Nov 2013 #24
... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #25
The story is someone on the Political Left did it.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #11
Yes, isn't it odd that it was communist who by all accounts should have been happy with sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #21
A pro-Cuban Communist should've been happy with an anti-Castro McCarthyite? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #26
It doesn't matter. The left got the blame. Rightwingers want us to stop talking about it so the sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #35
A lone gunman does not preclude a conspiracy. RagAss Nov 2013 #12
Exactly! sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #36
I remember George H. W. Bush saying he didn't remember where he was on that day. Booster Nov 2013 #13
He may be the only person in the world who doesn't remember Matilda Nov 2013 #14
I didn't exist, so I don't remember. JackRiddler Nov 2013 #23
He may be the only North American laundry_queen Nov 2013 #42
They are, truly. What was sickening was the glee I saw in Southern faces after it happened. ancianita Nov 2013 #15
I don't think it was Oswald alone underpants Nov 2013 #44
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