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Warren DeMontague

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210. You know who else used red herring arguments? HITLER!

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:48 PM

Nov 2013

So there.

Anyway, just explain to me who was impersonating Oswald in the phone calls to the Soviet and Cuban consulates in Mexico City, Why, and why the CIA covered it up.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/biographies/oswald/oswald-the-cia-and-mexico-city/

Seems an odd data point, for a "lone nut", doesn't it?

I don't have a "theory" but I also don't look at the thing and see a neat little story with no odd bits. Hell, on 9-11, I think Osama ordered Hijackers to fly planes into buildings (duh) but I still haven't heard anyone explain the statistically aberrant short selling of airline stocks immediately prior to the event.

I resent the fact that there are things "shhh we shouldn't ask about". And the continual belittlement of people who point out shit like the fact that Oswald's trajectory was nothing if not bizarre- so much so that one would have to be seriously deluded to NOT question whether he had some connection to intelligence agencies- guess what? It doesn't make anyone's case stronger.

The fact that the people trying to shut down discussion have been reduced to, essentailly, "neener neener" arguments only makes them look bad.

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A short post for the conspiracy naysayers. [View all] PCIntern Nov 2013 OP

k&r... spanone Nov 2013 #1

Ditto Berlum Nov 2013 #10

I want to know the truth. Because to know the truth is to Ninga Nov 2013 #2

We can infer what happened by looking at what followed BlueStreak Nov 2013 #157

Yep... IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 2013 #234

Dang! Enthusiast Nov 2013 #257

Very well said! We can infer what happened by what followed, Raksha Nov 2013 #267

And certainly Johnson benefited. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #270

Good point-I tend to forget about Johnson because he seems too obvious a benficiary to mention, Raksha Nov 2013 #273

And his brother as AG pissed off a lot of really dangerous people BlueStreak Nov 2013 #281

A very good point! Raksha Nov 2013 #282

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I don't know much about about this debate, but Vattel Nov 2013 #337

Thanks for the link, This should have it's own post DiverDave Nov 2013 #335

Good observation. Rex Nov 2013 #3

I am not angry at you. I never have been. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #4

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You're not alone. zappaman Nov 2013 #91

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The cops are volunteers easily identifiable in this thread and others Ace Acme Nov 2013 #340

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I do the same. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #258

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I am not angry at you or any other conspiracy theorists. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #5

I understand and respect you... PCIntern Nov 2013 #6

With respect to JFK? Yes. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #11

+1 ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #18

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Why do you think de Mohrenschildt befriended Oswald? JDPriestly Nov 2013 #146

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Maybe you're one of the fearful... polichick Nov 2013 #252

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So you claim things were "kept secret" yet you know about them. jeff47 Nov 2013 #72

Huge deceptions were kept secret for years. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #74

How many people depends on which Conspiracy Theory you like. jeff47 Nov 2013 #77

It's not true that nobody's talking. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #82

Ah yes, now we wander off into you making claims that are provably false jeff47 Nov 2013 #86

I made no such claim. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #87

"I'm interesting in establishing the facts" zappaman Nov 2013 #93

Thanks for proving my point. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #98

You're most welcome, "Ace". zappaman Nov 2013 #105

Explain how to get on Stemmons from Main without turning onto Houston and then Elm. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #114

Nice job of distraction with pointless minutiae. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #120

Nice backpedal. You can't get there from Main, so the route was never 'changed'. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #123

The point remains. How did Oswald get the route to go past his workplace? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #132

It went past his workplace regardless if it went down Main or Elm. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #135

My point exactly. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #139

He didn't. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #141

The point remains: the TSBD was the workplace for a whole lotta people. stopbush Nov 2013 #321

But few of them had connections to the intelligence community. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #323

Most of the theories have the CIA being principals BlueStreak Nov 2013 #231

I recall being aware on 9/11, or maybe the day after that fighters were scrambled. SheilaT Nov 2013 #81

People outside the DoD said fighters were scrambled. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #83

Wrong William Seger Nov 2013 #269

You're blowing smoke, as usual. I didn't claim any reasons at all. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #302

You claimed... William Seger Nov 2013 #315

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That is simply not true William Seger Nov 2013 #317

It simply is true, but since historycommons seems to be down, I can't get the refs. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #324

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If they don't stay secret forever, why are they still secret? jeff47 Nov 2013 #297

,,, questionseverything Nov 2013 #80

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You mean like Jack Ruby did? zeemike Nov 2013 #226

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If there were no shots from the front, then rusty fender Nov 2013 #156

Simple physics Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #220

Simple physics....now that is a good one. zeemike Nov 2013 #232

"Simple physics" says that absent any other forces BlueStreak Nov 2013 #235

When that straight line is largely UPWARD AND FORWARD? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #245

It the force of the gunshot sent matter up BlueStreak Nov 2013 #253

Not really, no Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #255

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They're facts. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #265

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Assertion contradicted by evidence. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #229

You forgot to include the {sarcasm} thingie BlueStreak Nov 2013 #233

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??? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #291

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. fascisthunter Nov 2013 #206

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Probably because he was paranoid and a liar. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2013 #90

Visions of grandeur, but claimed "I'm just a patsy". nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #99

Paranoid. DinahMoeHum Nov 2013 #102

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Interesting, I hadn't known that. Thanks. Flatulo Nov 2013 #348

Well stated. Thank you. Myrina Nov 2013 #25

I dislike the people that make money selling book's, speaking tours, movies off peoples Johonny Nov 2013 #26

Cognitive dissonance? moondust Nov 2013 #27

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Secrets as in moondust Nov 2013 #36

A memo that lays it out? You mean, like the memo instructing the 9/11 hijackers Ace Acme Nov 2013 #73

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #29

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That's not true. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #34

A closed mind is Certain. bahrbearian Nov 2013 #30

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I've read them... PCIntern Nov 2013 #40

Well, you sound certain. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #45

If someone can explain to me what Oswald was doing in WTC7, I'll be satisfied Orrex Nov 2013 #35

There's no evidence that Oswald was in WTC7 nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #88

That's exactly what they want you to believe. Orrex Nov 2013 #106

Then let's see the evidence contradicting that. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #109

You first. Prove that he wasn't there. Orrex Nov 2013 #110

You seem to be unfamiliar with Betrand Russell's celestial teapot. Grow up. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #116

You really aren't getting it, are you? Orrex Nov 2013 #117

I get it just fine. You think that the major engine of cynicism that is destroying this democracy Ace Acme Nov 2013 #119

Tell me more about this "major engine of cynicism" Orrex Nov 2013 #138

You don't know that the majority of American's believe the government is Ace Acme Nov 2013 #140

I assert that most conspiracy theory is based on wishful thinking Orrex Nov 2013 #144

You're only zinging yourself. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #147

It's far too late for that. Orrex Nov 2013 #158

How do you demonstrate that the files are 100% real and complete? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #174

And your prediction shows that conspiracy theorists will never be sated Orrex Nov 2013 #181

I didn't predict anything. I questioned the basis of your prediction. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #185

I posed a hypothetical Orrex Nov 2013 #211

Oh, sorry. It wasn't a prediction. It was an impossible hypotheical. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #212

Should have been obvious from the first post. Orrex Nov 2013 #221

So in 181 you say I predicted something. In 221 you say I didn't. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #223

I confess that I mistook your blather in 181 for coherence Orrex Nov 2013 #225

There is no evidence is WAS NOT! n-t Logical Nov 2013 #162

It would be nice if you could properly apply the Burden of Proof in all cases. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #186

Name a case where I improperly applied a burden of proof. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #191

Plenty of it in the WTC thread we enjoyed. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #194

I didn't ask you to disprove anything. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #196

His claims, are by definition, unsubstantiated. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #201

His claims are siubstantiated by the photos and the scientific tests he conducted. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #208

Lying was only one option that explains his motives. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #286

The photo and the test results substantiate his claims. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #287

There is a test that could partially substantiate his claim. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #290

A 40-pound chunk of melted steel was sitting on someone's desk? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #292

Within an array of possibilities, yes. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #296

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He Who Knows, Knows Not... While He Who Knows He Knows Not, Knows... WillyT Nov 2013 #37

I'm not angry or vituperative in the least. DanTex Nov 2013 #38

and the anti-conspiracy crowd forgets that Congress itself decided their was a conspiracy yurbud Nov 2013 #39

^^^^^ questionseverything Nov 2013 #76

Funny how that is overlooked by so many, including the media. polichick Nov 2013 #79

Under Congressional rules, their evidence is sealed until 2028, 50 years after the report. nt DRoseDARs Nov 2013 #214

I'll TELL you why they do it.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #42

CT belief reminds me very much of "Intelegent Design." fleabiscuit Nov 2013 #43

That certainly could be said of the CT deniers avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #64

Oh really? link? nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #164

Really...Where have you been? avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #167

So aselect committee "believed" there was one... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #175

I tend to come down on CT's pretty hard because AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #44

How did Oswald manage to get the parade route changed so it passed by his worlplace? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #89

He worked there already and saw opportunity treestar Nov 2013 #101

He didn't. It wasn't changed either. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #108

How did Oswald get the parade route set that it passed by his workplace? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #118

From the front page of the paper. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #122

Shooting on Main is a much more difficult shot. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #166

It wouldn't have been going any faster. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #173

Also, one might reasonably conclude that Oswald was a sharp enough cookie to figure out that AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #124

How did Oswald get the route to go past his workplace? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #134

He didn't. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #137

So you think it's a total coincidence that the JFK shooter just happened to be employed Ace Acme Nov 2013 #142

Oswald was apparently seeking people to kill. Kennedy could have been a matter of simple opportunity AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #143

If Oswald was just seeking people to kill, why didn't he plan it better? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #169

This is akin to creationism theory again. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #177

I'm not assuming anything, and I'm not a CTer. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #182

I missed the part where I denied any of those groups may have wanted him dead. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #184

You missed the part where you said there is no evidence of any motive Ace Acme Nov 2013 #189

That was in reference specifically to Oswald, not the world, but you knew that. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #192

"no indication that anything precipitated this event beyond . . . " Ace Acme Nov 2013 #198

Read the previous sentence. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #203

Motive is not evidence. YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #275

Why didn't he plan it better? His plan worked - he killed JFK. stopbush Nov 2013 #200

His plan didn't work. He didn't get away. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #209

Depends on what getting away means. stopbush Nov 2013 #228

The evidence connecting Oswald with the Walker shooting is very poor. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #279

Like the note Oswald wrote to Marina telling her what to do if he was arrested for shooting Walker? stopbush Nov 2013 #298

The note did not mention Walker, and was determined to be of dubious authenticity. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #300

Total BS. You're making thing up. stopbush Nov 2013 #301

Pine boards are denser than bricks? Who's making stuff up? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #307

So the question is: would a bullet that had no problem penetrating 36" of pine boards stopbush Nov 2013 #312

There's still the problem that Gen. Walker said the bullet they offered in evidence Ace Acme Nov 2013 #313

Do you have a source for that statement? stopbush Nov 2013 #314

You can find it as easily as I. It was in a letter to the Attorney General. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #319

Nah. I'm not going to bother looking. I'll just assume you're lying. stopbush Nov 2013 #320

You're the one who claims the Walker evidence is not poor. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #325

Me, the WC, the HSCA, the Rockefeller Commission and a few others. stopbush Nov 2013 #327

Walker told the HSCA that their projectile bore no resemlance to the one he saw. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #328

Source/link please. stopbush Nov 2013 #329

So you don't even know this basic stuff. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #330

Oh, I've read that claim at jfkfacts and other sites, but I've never seen a copy stopbush Nov 2013 #331

... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #333

You guys are so quick to call for unreasonable proofs. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #338

Nothing unreasonable about asking you to supply a source when you make a claim. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #339

You're shifting the goalposts from providing proof to asking for refs. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #341

You've made it pretty clear that you're incapable of reasoned debate. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #342

Oh, you switched from moving the goalposts to ad hominem attack. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #343

Simple statement of fact Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #344

There's no burden of proof. There's a burden of reasonable doubt. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #346

I see you haven't addressed all of the points of evidence I listed, then. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #347

Something I've noticed about surveillance video . . . Ace Acme Nov 2013 #350

Oswald's nitrate test wasn't negative. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #352

It was positive for the palms--consistent with handling weapons or--surprise!--printed material. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #353

You clearly didn't read any of the links. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #354

Oh so now there are no tests showing LHO fired a weapon? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #355

You're the one who claimed the test was negative (it wasn't) Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #356

The nitrate test was negative for firing a weapon, because only the palms Ace Acme Nov 2013 #357

Handwaving. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #359

Why are you so anxious to convict LHO when he never had a trial? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #361

Why are you so anxious to ignore, misrepresent, and distort evidence? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #363

I'm not. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #365

It really doesn't matter what Gen Walker thought about the bullet displayed stopbush Nov 2013 #349

It does matter that the witness who turned over the evidence to the authorities Ace Acme Nov 2013 #351

Wait wait wait. The real question is how did Oswald get the road built that way decades prior. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #113

LOL, you are fucking serious? n-t Logical Nov 2013 #163

Yeah. If Oswald wanted to kill JFK how did he get JFK to come to him? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #170

Crime of opportunity. Get it? n-t Logical Nov 2013 #171

Show that Oswald 'wanted to kill JFK' prior to the announcement in the paper of the parade AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #179

He wrote "JFK must die" repeatedly in his notebook Ace Acme Nov 2013 #213

So, in no way supports your claim. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #285

nwor nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #362

And yet, you did. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #364

^^^^ Bothers me the most, I think. I remember a video that went around Flatulo Nov 2013 #266

I have little doubt that most prominent news personalities have received late-night phone calls Ace Acme Nov 2013 #309

Fear whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #46

Fear? ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #50

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Well if you believe that about the CIA whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #55

It's not a matter of preference, it's a matter of evidence. DanTex Nov 2013 #58

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Agreed, its nothing but FEAR, same as 9-11. joanbarnes Nov 2013 #49

Not angry at all, just don't want it diluting GD. grantcart Nov 2013 #51

If the conspiracy involved Oswald as a patsy, why would the conspiracy aid his escape? Ace Acme Nov 2013 #96

lol that is the inevitable stroll down the conspiracy street. grantcart Nov 2013 #111

Your questions contain unjustified assumptions. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #136

If Oswald was holy unconnected to the shooting and an uninformed 'patsy' then what accounts grantcart Nov 2013 #148

I didn't say he was wholely unconnected or uninformed. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #172

I've wondered that too renate Nov 2013 #107

There are no evidence that Ruby could keep confidences. He was well known to reporters as a guy grantcart Nov 2013 #112

I ridicule CTs when they're constructed from the back, forward. Dreamer Tatum Nov 2013 #52

I've lived in Fort Worth for 25 years. MicaelS Nov 2013 #53

I have a question for you. DanTex Nov 2013 #57

I think it could have been done in 7-9 seconds.. MicaelS Nov 2013 #115

Nope. You counter-rotate the rifle. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #145

How can you demand incontrovertible evidence before there's even been an honest investigation? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #92

It was my trip to Dealey Plaza and the museum when I first moved here to Texas ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #121

easy - release all documents belltower Nov 2013 #152

That's for sure. TBF Nov 2013 #254

Zombie theories, whether it concerns JFK's WowSeriously Nov 2013 #56

I have no doubt there is more, much more to the JFK assassination than Swede Atlanta Nov 2013 #60

I think it's more of a case of CTer's getting angry 'cause people don't agree with them. Kaleva Nov 2013 #63

Respectful question: Do you feel the same for those who question the official 911 story? nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #67

I was 8 when it happened libodem Nov 2013 #68

Yours is a straw man argument. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #71

Simple: stopbush Nov 2013 #75

Simple is as simple does. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #97

That's about the answer I've come to expect from the know-nothing CTists. stopbush Nov 2013 #128

Where did you get the idea that I'm a CTist? nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #130

Clearly Bigfoot did it as part of an alien conspiricy. CFLDem Nov 2013 #78

As you well know, an evidence-free speculation (orbiting teapot) can not be proven wrong. Ace Acme Nov 2013 #94

Except that when someone proves your 'evidence' wrong, you simply pack up your goalposts and relocat AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #125

I didn't put forth any evidence of an alien conspiracy. Nobody did. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #131

It doesn't matter if it "rings true" to you. It's the TRUTH for God's sake. duffyduff Nov 2013 #95

It's only the 50th anniversary... dchill Nov 2013 #126

Yeah, maybe by the 100th anniversary the truth will come out. RebelOne Nov 2013 #153

At 75 years, a bunch of stuff gets declassified. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #178

interesting gopiscrap Nov 2013 #127

Mine's shorter. Warpy Nov 2013 #129

If CTs would agree on some of the obvious pieces....it would enhance their overall argument. cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #133

Really, what do we all agree on, nyquil_man Nov 2013 #149

The Emperor's New Clothes. A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2013 #151

you've said something very important heaven05 Nov 2013 #154

I just have some lingering doubts that all of the pertinent info has been revealed. northoftheborder Nov 2013 #155

I think one reason they get so angry liberalhistorian Nov 2013 #160

Same reason I think Climate Change deniers are idiots. They ignore facts. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #161

If it really were "suggesting", or the old fave "just asking questions"... Silent3 Nov 2013 #180

Oswald RagAss Nov 2013 #183

I don't know what you've been reading, Benton D Struckcheon Nov 2013 #187

The nitrate test on Oswald was negative. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #190

Yeah...they say that's no problem... PCIntern Nov 2013 #195

Holy Cow. BeatleBoot Nov 2013 #188

Because it is vitally important that no one ask any questions about this, ever. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #193

JFK CTs = 9/11 CTs, no difference. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #207

You know who else used red herring arguments? HITLER! Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #210

I'm sorry, but I just can't take the word of a man who would sell out Humanity to the Combine... DRoseDARs Nov 2013 #216

I was unfairly slandered Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #217

There exists an insufficent amount of lemon juice for me to even consider that. DRoseDARs Nov 2013 #218

THIS ^^^^ is the issue BlueStreak Nov 2013 #241

I listen to conspiracy theories a lot OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #199

Well said. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #204

kick and rec (nt) fascisthunter Nov 2013 #205

, blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #215

Thank you. I truly appreciate your post. scarletwoman Nov 2013 #224

+10000 woo me with science Nov 2013 #263

KnR MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #230

The Paranoid Style The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #246

I didn't expect a "Diagnosis"... PCIntern Nov 2013 #247

Yes, you've nailed exactly. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #277

Nailed it, yes. Your bogus attempts to paint justifiable skepticism as pathological. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #288

Yes, you too. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #289

You find rationality to be obnoxious. No surprise. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #293

Oh yes, you are the paragon of rationality in these threads. Here, for you... The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #294

Empty assertion, no substantiation, smilies. Thanks for showing where you're coming from. nt Ace Acme Nov 2013 #295

K&R KansDem Nov 2013 #248

I'm not at all angry with the CT folks-- I simply think they're wrong. ColesCountyDem Nov 2013 #251

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #256

PC - You've raised an important issue... truth2power Nov 2013 #262

simply put: PCIntern Nov 2013 #268

Thank you! bobGandolf Nov 2013 #271

K&R Boomerproud Nov 2013 #283

I have my doubts. Lone gunman doesn't rule out DevonRex Nov 2013 #304

CIA and KGB had a common interest in squelching detente Ace Acme Nov 2013 #308

I think there is a chance marsis Nov 2013 #326

Wellstone Ace Acme Nov 2013 #358

Thank you marsis Nov 2013 #360

Good post, PC. Sorry I missed it till now. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2013 #332

You're forgiven... PCIntern Nov 2013 #334