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33. As someone who was a young person of voting age at the time it happened, I highly recommend
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 10:26 PM
Nov 2013

Charles Pierce's piece today in Esquire. I saw this thanks to Will Pitt's post on DU today. Notice that Pierce addresses your exact question "why it's so hard to accept that a great man like Kennedy was killed by an insignificant loser like Oswald."


http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/anniversary-of-jfk-assassination-112213

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The Warren Commission was a natural outgrowth of a mentality that had infected the government from the moment that the government decided that it would build, in secret, a weapon that would not only win World War II, but also have the potential to end civilization if it -- or the men who allegedly were in control of it -- ever ran amok. What historian Garry Wills calls the "Bomb Power" was based from its beginnings in the notion that there were things about their government that the American people need not know. From this came an irresistible impulse to treat the American people -- for whom the Founders intended all of what John Adams called "the awful knowledge" about their leaders -- like fragile children who must be protected at all costs from what their government found necessary to do on their behalf. From this has come a hundred commissions and boards and gatherings of the shamans of the security state -- the slow bureaucratic response to the Watergate crimes, the Tower Commission on Iran-Contra, even the Simpson-Bowles budget commission -- all of which sprang from the notion that the nation's elite should conduct the nation's business in as quiet a manner as possible, so as not to disturb the horses or wake the children. The Warren Commission was the first of these, and it did its job very well. What unruly bloggers call The Village can be said to have been founded in the premise that the American people needed to be shielded, for their own good, from the full knowledge of the facts surrounding the murder of their president in broad daylight in the streets of an American city.

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One argument with which I have no patience is that the distrust of the Warren Commission, a distrust that has remained remarkably consistent for five decades, is based in our disbelief that a great leader could be gunned down by an ordinary schmoe with a cheap rifle. This. we are told, is too much for our delicate sensibilities to handle. This is arrant, infantilizing nonsense. At the time of his death, John Kennedy had a national security establishment that was a writhing ball of snakes. (Not for nothing did he insist that his White House cooperate with the filming of Seven Days In May.) There were the ongoing plots against Castro in which his brother was intimately involved. There is a contemporary memo for something called Operation Northwoods that called for what we would now call "false flag" operations within the United States, including blowing up John Glenn on the launching pad in Florida, that could be blamed on Cuba and used as a pretext to invade. You can see a copy of it in the John F. Kennedy Library. Since then, we have seen Vietnam, Watergate, Iran-Contra. Richard Nixon sabotaged the Paris Peace Talks to help him get elected, and Ronald Reagan's people may have done the same thing with the release of the hostages in Iran. Don't tell this generation that we don't believe the Warren Commission out of some mushy, mythical notion of proportionality. There is no proportionality to the deceptions involved in official murder. We've read enough Graham Greene to know that. We watched enough happen on the television. We can see a church by daylight.

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It's not that people MUST believe in a conspiracy, but that, if you were alive and sentient at the time, you knew enough BEFORE the assassination to know that a simple-minded politically neutral explanation of the event would have to be proved beyond reasonable doubt in order have any credibility. The network of complex, interwoven, rabid and festering hatreds was vividly real BEFORE the event. If you didn't live at that time, you would not believe the virulent level of multi-faceted hatred operating in the country at the time. This was not post-assassination theorizing. When the official explanation attempted to make everyone forget what was already known about the ongoing lethal political atmosphere, it stopped being believable.

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Your framing is weird but DURHAM D Nov 2013 #1
No, no, not with the discussion. Seeking Serenity Nov 2013 #5
The Onion sums it all up rurallib Nov 2013 #2
I know this Onion piece has been posted over and over again, and I believe Oswald acted alone, ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #11
You do understand the article isn't making fun of the assassination, but of conspiracy believers... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #14
do you believe actual Democrats find Kennedy's murder a joking matter? reddread Nov 2013 #17
It's funny CFLDem Nov 2013 #32
+1 I totally agree el_bryanto Nov 2013 #44
The Onion is written by people too young to remember or care whathehell Nov 2013 #73
may I ask how old you are? grasswire Nov 2013 #3
I'm 46. Seeking Serenity Nov 2013 #7
a government conspiracy? grasswire Nov 2013 #12
And no. grasswire Nov 2013 #16
You weren't there, you don't understand. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #35
Ruby still remains a puzzle to me. arcane1 Nov 2013 #52
twas the loss of questionseverything Nov 2013 #53
Not to mention that the only bullet that was found and subjected to ballistics tests BlueStreak Nov 2013 #58
Very well put. Thank you. pangaia Nov 2013 #45
Same reason that some people cringe whenever they hear that mindless "American exceptionalism" crap BlueStreak Nov 2013 #56
Thank you for educating those too young to remember it. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #76
We want truth. Cooley Hurd Nov 2013 #4
The "conspiracy of the gaps" argument. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #15
Riddle me this: Kennedy didn't invade Cuba during Bay of Pigs OR the Cuban Missile Crisis... Cooley Hurd Nov 2013 #70
Yeah, because people, especially those that are very mentally ill... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #71
No, but they make great tools for people who don't want to their own dirty work, for obvious sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #80
Are you joking? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #84
No, I'm not joking. If you wanted to hire a hitman, would you be looking for someone rational sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #86
Everything i presented? Literally NOTHING i presented was speculation! eqfan592 Nov 2013 #88
Do you have a link to that fact? I agree he did not act rationally but I have never seen sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #90
Here's one. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #93
Did you know that the United States House Select Committee concluded that there was a conspiracy? NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #6
Did you know that the only evidence they had to make that conclusion turned out to be non-credible? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #8
nobody knows that, because it ISNT TRUE reddread Nov 2013 #13
I haven't said anything that isn't true. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #41
I never called it a trump card. I offer it for to the author of this OP for it's context. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #18
I called it a trump card because that's how you're using it. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #37
the actual conclusion of an investigation hobbled by CIA intransigence and supervised by Joannides reddread Nov 2013 #10
Put your faith in one who seeks the truth. Doubt anyone who claims to have found it. Scuba Nov 2013 #9
Question anyone who only communicates through quotes... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #19
Question everyone. Scuba Nov 2013 #20
Above all, question authority. scarletwoman Nov 2013 #24
I think the first questions we should ask of authority are ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #68
Question some, get beer and party with others. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #25
Keeping the Party Going Is Way More Important Than Truth Upward Nov 2013 #51
That's a great quote. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #60
lol be my guest. :) eqfan592 Nov 2013 #61
If all roads led noise Nov 2013 #21
I have heard that. The lack of balance Seeking Serenity Nov 2013 #22
I think this view comes from a misunderstanding of ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #69
I found the opposite to be true, personally. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #48
actually the more you look at the case, the more credible Schema Thing Nov 2013 #65
Why is it so important for some people scarletwoman Nov 2013 #23
I merely asked why some people are so committed to the conspiracy idea. Seeking Serenity Nov 2013 #26
Committed to learning the truth ... MindMover Nov 2013 #31
In your OP you ask, why it is "so hard to accept that a great man like Kennedy was killed by an... scarletwoman Nov 2013 #38
I think what I hate worse is being told "you weren't alive so you don't know"... cynatnite Nov 2013 #36
So, history should only be recounted by those who did not live through it scarletwoman Nov 2013 #39
I never said that... cynatnite Nov 2013 #40
I'm not trying to invalidate YOUR opinion, I'm just fighting back against those scarletwoman Nov 2013 #47
i'm 72 years old. the warren commission report DesertFlower Nov 2013 #27
I'm 71 and it never felt right to me then either, and nothing in government has been shraby Nov 2013 #67
And the Dr. who witnessed Kennedy's lifeless body ... MindMover Nov 2013 #28
What is the definition of a conspiracy? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #29
You're approaching this from the wrong direction DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #30
As someone who was a young person of voting age at the time it happened, I highly recommend enough Nov 2013 #33
Maybe for some it's impossible to consider that it was one person who did the shooting. n/t cynatnite Nov 2013 #34
Because it became a pattern, always benefiting the same political actors villager Nov 2013 #42
Why is it so important to some that it WASN'T? PeteSelman Nov 2013 #43
^^ This ^^ Myrina Nov 2013 #50
The truth is important for some people. former9thward Nov 2013 #46
dumb fascisthunter Nov 2013 #49
For my family GP6971 Nov 2013 #54
Three members of the Warren Commission dflprincess Nov 2013 #55
At this point it doesn't matter madville Nov 2013 #57
"Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it" dflprincess Nov 2013 #59
your country today... grasswire Nov 2013 #91
Because that's what the FACTS show. Octafish Nov 2013 #62
Which "facts" are those? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #72
For starters: The FBI destroyed evidence. Octafish Nov 2013 #77
And? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #78
The Warren Commission says Oswald shot three times in six seconds. Octafish Nov 2013 #79
8.3 seconds. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #85
LOL. That's what BUGLIOSI ASSUMES in his book. Octafish Nov 2013 #89
Easily refuted. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #92
When did you read Bugliosi's book, my friend? n/t zappaman Nov 2013 #94
An expert read it and told me it's bogus. Octafish Nov 2013 #95
Oh, so you comment on things you haven't read. zappaman Nov 2013 #96
Would love to see your response to post 92. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #97
Don't hold your breath waiting for a reply. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #98
You will never get an answer...that's his M.O. zappaman Nov 2013 #99
Why waste time? Octafish Nov 2013 #100
Yeah, that's what i thought. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #103
You clearly don't understand them. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #105
Hell, even in that situation i could probably still get 3 shots off faster... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #109
Hmmm RobertEarl Nov 2013 #101
Did you watch a different video? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #102
Just read the words on link. RobertEarl Nov 2013 #104
Why not watch the video that I'm clearly referring to? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #106
There is a video. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #107
What experts? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #108
I think it would be incumbent upon investigators to prove it wasn't a hit elias7 Nov 2013 #63
You can't prove a negative. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #74
Oswald was getting ready to sing .. that's why Ruby took him out. duh. YOHABLO Nov 2013 #64
What people desire is the truth, which is a lot different than ... MrMickeysMom Nov 2013 #66
Your framing is strange...There is no "need" to believe it's a conspiracy and about 70 to 80 % whathehell Nov 2013 #75
Why is it important that you believe Politicalboi Nov 2013 #81
look at the "no conspiracy" people here on DU U4ikLefty Nov 2013 #82
If there is a hidden history behind his death then arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #83
I think it was Karl Rove using the government's time machine, hughee99 Nov 2013 #87
Did Not Have To Be... Release EVERY DOCUMENT RELEVANT...Right Now.. WillyT Nov 2013 #110
I think it's you who thinks they HAVE to believe. Believe me, conspiracy was the last thing on ancianita Nov 2013 #111
You don't understand it HangOnKids Nov 2013 #112
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