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LeftishBrit

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206. Here is an essay that I wrote about Ron Paul a few years ago
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 10:12 AM
Dec 2011

My Ron Paul essay from Jan 5th, 2008 - still relevant!

RON PAUL: WHY SHOULD HE WORRY SOMEONE THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY?


Ron Paul won’t win the presidential election, or come anywhere near it. He will continue to be a Texas Congressman. I will continue to live in England, thousands of miles away from him. So why should I worry about him?


Some quotations from his own website indicate some of the serious problems with his views, from a progressive perspective:


'A Republic, If You Can Keep It’ by Dr. Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas

Address to the U.S. House of Representatives delivered on the Floor of the House January 31 - February 2, 2000

....The modern-day welfare state has steadily grown since the Great Depression of the 1930s. The federal government is now involved in providing health care, houses, unemployment benefits, education, food stamps to millions, plus all kinds of subsidies to every conceivable special-interest group. Welfare is now part of our culture, costing hundreds of billions of dollars every year. It is now thought to be a "right," something one is "entitled" to. Calling it an "entitlement" makes it sound proper and respectable and not based on theft. Anyone who has a need, desire, or demand and can get the politicians' attention will get what he wants, even though it may be at the expense of someone else. Today it is considered morally right and politically correct to promote the welfare state. Any suggestion otherwise is considered political suicide.
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....Controlled curricula have downplayed the importance of our constitutional heritage while indoctrinating our children, even in kindergarten, with environmental mythology, internationalism, and sexual liberation. Neighborhood schools in the early part of the 20th Century did not experience this kind of propaganda.

....It is now accepted that people who need (medical) care are entitled to it as a right. This is a serious error in judgment.

...Probably the most significant change in attitude that occurred in the 20th Century was that with respect to life itself. Although abortion has been performed for hundreds if not thousands of years, it was rarely considered an acceptable and routine medical procedure without moral consequence. Since 1973 abortion in America has become routine and justified by a contorted understanding of the right to privacy. The difference between American's rejection of abortions at the beginning of the century, compared to today's casual acceptance, is like night and day. Although a vocal number of Americans express their disgust with abortion on demand, our legislative bodies and the courts claim that the procedure is a constitutionally protected right, disregarding all scientific evidence and legal precedents that recognize the unborn as a legal living entity deserving protection of the law. Ironically the greatest proponents of abortion are the same ones who advocate imprisonment for anyone who disturbs the natural habitat of a toad.

....The welfare system has mocked the concept of marriage in the name of political correctness, economic egalitarianism, and hetero-phobia.


....Any academic discussion questioning the wisdom of our policies surrounding World War II is met with shrill accusations of anti-Semitism and Nazi lover. No one is even permitted without derision by the media, the university intellectuals, and the politicians to ask why the United States allied itself with the murdering Soviets and then turned over Eastern Europe to them...'


So let's see. Paul is totally against any form of welfare state, even in its current American sense (very limited compared with most other developed countries); considers benefits for poor people to be 'theft'; does not think that people are entitled to medical care. Despite all his libertarian justifications for all the above, thinks that the government is entitled to ban abortions and 'defend marriage', (though he considers that these, like other government functions, should be carried out by individual states rather than the national government). He is opposed to gay rights ('heterophobia') and considers concern about the environment to be based on 'mythology'. Moreover, he is so isolationist or anti-Soviet or both, that he would apparently rather have had Hitler take over Europe than have an alliance between America and the Soviet Union during the war.

Moreover, despite his support for his country’s Constitution, he seems to be a less-than-fervent supporter of his country’s democracy. Democracy, in the sense of allowing all adults to vote, was not a feature of American politics at the beginning, or specified in its original constitution, even if America was closer to democracy than England or most other places in the late 18th century. America’s constitution was amended to allow women to vote in 1920. It had been amended to allow African-Americans to vote in 1870; but this was frequently evaded in southern states until the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Paul has gone on record as opposing this act, as contrary to ‘states’ rights’, even to this day. Should he really be trusted to uphold democracy?

However, most of the Republican candidates have worrying right-wing views; and some of them are far more likely than Paul to win their party’s nomination. What is specifically worrying about Paul is that some ‘progressives’ sympathize with him, and prefer him to some if not all of the Democratic candidates. This is predominantly due to his opposition to the Iraq War and to the Patriot Act: both of which are rightly important issues to liberals. But in addition some people support him because they are frustrated with the status quo, and he is seen as opposing it. Some people even describe him as ‘anti-corporate’ despite the fact that his extreme economic libertarianism, if ever put into practice, would undoubtedly increase the power of corporations.

Some argue in this connection that the old distinction between ‘right’ and ‘left’ is no longer relevant. And it is indeed accurate to say that the right/left distinction should not be seen as a unitary dimension. People can be right vs left on a number of different issues, and different asp. Four important ones are: war/defence; economic/welfare; civil liberties; and social/ civil rights.

So here is where I would rate Bush, Blair and Paul:

Bush:

War/defence: Extreme right

Economic/welfare: Right

Civil liberties: Right

Social/civil rights: Right



Blair:

War/defence: Extreme right

Economic/welfare: Centre-right by British standards (i.e. to the left of Thatcher, but to the right of moderate Tories of the past such as Harold Macmillan)

Civil liberties: Right

Social/civil rights: Centre-left.


Paul:

War/defence: Left on Iraq war, but right on other aspects of world policies

Economic/welfare: Extreme right (could go no further right)

Civil liberties: Left with regard to Federal government infringements of civil liberties; Right with regard to such infringements by state governments or private organizations.

Social/civil rights: Extreme right.


So Blair overall is to the left of either Paul or Bush, but to the right of what I'd find acceptable. Paul and Bush are both thoroughly right-wing. Bush is right-wing on more issues; Paul is more extreme on the issues where he is right-wing.. If Bush is more dangerous than Paul, it's simply because he has more power.



What is frightening here is not so much Paul as a fairly powerless individual, but that some supposedly liberal anti-war people seem to be prepared to ally themselves with RW extremists, if they happen to be against the war. If this leads to liberals' acceptance of a combination of far-RW economic 'libertarianism', social conservativism, and xenophobia, this could have serious impact for future politics. Some of the danger is, I think, not so much from Paul himself, as from the groups and websites that support him. I fear that Paul and other of his ilk may appeal to disaffected progressives in a way that could get them to join a far-right movement without initially realizing that it *is* far-right.

Some of the original fascist organizations/ parties appealed to some left-wingers and lots of apolitical disaffected people at first, and this contributed to their success. And communism was and is of course 'left-wing' in its original impetus, but most Communist states ended up, according to the above classification: "War/defense: Right; Economic/welfare: Left; Civil liberties: Extreme right; Social/civil rights: Right".

I don't think that the particular form of right-wing movement that Paul represents is likely to lead to old-style fascism or other totalitarianism – though such things might be possible if different right-wing movements joined under one umbrella; but it could readily lead to a xenophobic scapegoating of ‘outsiders’ and to a far-right economic libertarianism that murders the poor or sick just as surely, if a bit more slowly, as an act of direct violence. It is important that progressives avoid getting involved, directly or indirectly, in such a movement. That is my real concern. Once the distinction between progressivism and far-right populism is blurred, dangerous hybrids could grow and readily spread to other parts of the world. I fear that an alliance between progressives and Paul supporters could be a step on a slippery slope to forming links with far-RW nationalist groups and individuals that oppose the war, such as Pat Buchanan; the British Nationalist Party; Jean-Marie LePen; even David Duke; etc. If that happens, and such groups gain respectability, especially in the eyes of people on the 'left', we may be sunk!


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I won't dismiss anyone's disenchantment with Obama etherealtruth Dec 2011 #1
I think Paul really does represent "change" to many. Atman Dec 2011 #4
I agree that at first glance Ron Paul can seem attractive etherealtruth Dec 2011 #10
Me too. Eddie Haskell Dec 2011 #69
Even if one of those labels were true it would be... Tikki Dec 2011 #120
well let the privatized corporatocracy begin newspeak Dec 2011 #87
As I said, he's a smart kid. I've no doubt he'll regain his sanity. Atman Dec 2011 #96
More than likely he will etherealtruth Dec 2011 #101
Many don't... ellisonz Dec 2011 #116
Believe me, he's not a "Paulite." Atman Dec 2011 #137
Good luck, Atman. ellisonz Dec 2011 #165
Same with two of my nephews Mojorabbit Dec 2011 #173
Look at Ron Paul's voting record. Share with everyone. Zalatix Dec 2011 #167
Thank you, cool website. [nt] Shoe Horn Dec 2011 #190
Just let him know that Paul is a RACIST. That should change his mind. FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #172
Show him this Thread/video--Ron Paul to end student loans!! Rectangle Dec 2011 #223
I don't think this post was intended for me? etherealtruth Dec 2011 #224
That's what Obama gets for being a centrist. SmellyFeet Dec 2011 #2
No, that's what the country gets for having people with no critical thinking skills frazzled Dec 2011 #19
Calling young people canoeist52 Dec 2011 #35
Now, see, you've proved my point frazzled Dec 2011 #46
Why do I get the sense pscot Dec 2011 #111
K&R... stonecutter357 Dec 2011 #152
Way too harsh and insulting! Quantess Dec 2011 #70
Interesting Statements ElboRuum Dec 2011 #118
Please note I'm not saying anything positive about Ron Paul, at all. Quantess Dec 2011 #160
Yes, I think I can understand why they say that... ElboRuum Dec 2011 #166
I've seen plenty who wouldn't touch Paul wih an 89 and a 1/2 foot pole that TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #84
Obama ran on "CHANGE", and donned the mantle of a Progressive during the campaign. NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #168
He said it would be hard and would not come easily frazzled Dec 2011 #180
I don't know.. sendero Dec 2011 #194
Ron Paul is great for civil liberties. For economics not so much. Sirveri Dec 2011 #3
Ron Paul is great for a very limited set of civil liberties only (like coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #29
He's great unless you're a minority, a child, sick, injured... Johonny Dec 2011 #36
I would go further and classify Paul as a 'reactionary' (not a 'conservative'). He wants coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #53
you mean the gilded age? newspeak Dec 2011 #88
Good point. It's why I said "supposed 'Golden Age'", to coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #105
+1 JDPriestly Dec 2011 #138
Other than choice he's fairly consistent. Sirveri Dec 2011 #40
Except for the civil liberties of those "animal" blacks and "disease-ridden" gays. * MADem Dec 2011 #110
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #5
Surprising 41mag Dec 2011 #64
It is exactly what he is. kath Dec 2011 #128
Finally a response that makes sense. CrispyQ Dec 2011 #68
And the most important lesson of all this woo me with science Dec 2011 #149
He's also gaining support from those who would vote Republican who are gateley Dec 2011 #213
Very good point. woo me with science Dec 2011 #219
You are not alone, Atman. LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #6
Paul has got a huge pass on "Education, Minority Rights, Social Safety Net" because Dems have ceded bettyellen Dec 2011 #73
Re: Social Safety Net, we *have* one. LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #83
it, like civil rights and education has been eroding steadily and is under attack. bettyellen Dec 2011 #90
yeah, well he's no friend to women newspeak Dec 2011 #89
I'm around a lot of young people thatgemguy Dec 2011 #7
Since 1980, all we've been told is that government is bad, unions are bad, regulation is bad, CrispyQ Dec 2011 #74
Get a clue, all, part of this is about Legalization. Libertarians, rank and file, feel discriminated patrice Dec 2011 #145
There's A Lot Of Talk About Him At Our Occupy Meetings... ChiciB1 Dec 2011 #159
Or do some young people coming of age during recession just have a bad impression of government? alp227 Dec 2011 #183
Hmm, A few years ago I Used to think so too-on the surface fredamae Dec 2011 #8
No, I hate to say it ... frazzled Dec 2011 #9
Oh, so the kids are stupid now, huh? DerekG Dec 2011 #12
'bullshit health-care bills' ? geckosfeet Dec 2011 #37
HCR was a winner for insurance companies (and Newt). MrTriumph Dec 2011 #65
Comparatively little? Tell it to my son. Atman Dec 2011 #77
The ACA made HR 676 possible & that's what a good deal of the Obama-hate is about. patrice Dec 2011 #148
Funny how it doesn't take long for the new posters true feelings to come out. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #81
I believe you replied to the wrong post. If not, please elaborate. geckosfeet Dec 2011 #86
I'm a UAW retiree, and I wouldn't have a pension if not for that Obama "bailout". JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #123
Santorum must've thought "No more abortion for sluts even though my own wife lived BECAUSE of one." alp227 Dec 2011 #184
We're talking about Ron Paul frazzled Dec 2011 #150
If you actually knew my son, you wouldn't be so insulting. Atman Dec 2011 #16
I didn't say he was a moron: I said he was young frazzled Dec 2011 #20
you said feeble thinking, listens to blather. And, yes it was insulting. bettyellen Dec 2011 #76
get the money out of politics. stonecutter357 Dec 2011 #155
A lot of what he says we can agree with - like NO WAR, but his reasons gateley Dec 2011 #214
Right, us kids are all a bunch of morons! Odin2005 Dec 2011 #18
How could someone reasonably support both OWS and Ron Paul? Orangepeel Dec 2011 #98
Blaming the electorate is the political form of Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #79
Re Feeble thinking SOS Dec 2011 #121
No, they were thinking feebly when they voted ... frazzled Dec 2011 #122
"immediate uptopia" Charronxyz Dec 2011 #161
LOLOLOLOL Skittles Dec 2011 #182
So if they're feeble-minded and subject to propaganda, why did they vote for Obama last time? Doctor_J Dec 2011 #205
That was precisely my point frazzled Dec 2011 #210
"Why progressives should not support Ron Paul" Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #11
Your son thinks political change is instantaneous, or should be. Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #13
Ultimately, I think he'll come around. Atman Dec 2011 #21
You misunderstood the 'smoke dope' part, I was generalizing about Paul's appeal to those who only Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #33
I finally talked son out of Paul. tsuki Dec 2011 #14
Tell him to put down the Doobie. JoePhilly Dec 2011 #15
+1 Inspired Dec 2011 #174
Perhaps your son is libertarian rather than liberal. There is a difference. Jennicut Dec 2011 #17
he has certain big things right, and is the only one SixthSense Dec 2011 #22
The Federal Reserve is a big thing for my daughter as well. LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #59
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #147
You are not alone. I'm having the same conversation with my son. mainer Dec 2011 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Dec 2011 #24
Could it be your son is just not that well-informed? Tell him Paul's position on Civil Rights. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #25
Just tell him that voting for herpes is better than voting for syphillis or gonnorrhea... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2011 #26
I would prefer an easily treatable bacterial infection over a permanent recurring viral one Edweird Dec 2011 #51
I'm thinking your son is actually a libertarian. boxman15 Dec 2011 #27
Many young people are indeed libertarians. mainer Dec 2011 #44
do you think young people are libertarians out of a rebellious attitude from adolescence? alp227 Dec 2011 #185
He should take a good thorough look at Paul's career and convictions mulsh Dec 2011 #28
It's the military spending already! Ron Paul is saying what the Dems should be shouting think Dec 2011 #30
Ron Paul speaks but he does not act. He votes with the rethugs most of the time. He also will not jwirr Dec 2011 #34
Ron Paul voted against the Iraq war unlike many DEMs. That alone speaks volumes think Dec 2011 #48
Technicality, but Congress never did 'declare war' on Iraq. Obama also spoke out coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #55
I voted for Obama and will again. And yes I do respect that Obama spoke out against the war think Dec 2011 #60
Most of the people who support Paul - especially the young, like my grandson are still hooked to jwirr Dec 2011 #31
That's sort of the problem with a sample size of 1. dems_rightnow Dec 2011 #39
Granted you are probably right. jwirr Dec 2011 #42
Try the "stopped clock is right twice a day metaphor" and take him thru all of Paul's positions emulatorloo Dec 2011 #32
In Paul's ideal world, everyone is responsable only to themselves. baldguy Dec 2011 #38
Well, Ron Paul Won't Win GOP Nomination otohara Dec 2011 #41
Paul is pure nuts Monty22001 Dec 2011 #43
Ron Paul is insane jimlup Dec 2011 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Atman Dec 2011 #47
I think it might also have to do with the fact BlueToTheBone Dec 2011 #49
Same situation with my 21 year old daughter B2G Dec 2011 #50
Ron Paul would take away your daughter's right to choose. Is she coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #57
Believe me, we are having those conversations B2G Dec 2011 #61
Your daughter needs to be reminded of how Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #72
Interesting dilema, as perhaps some in here like Ron Paul and just can't say so ... Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #52
I'd much rather meet Alan Grayson than Ron Paul but I still respect RP for think Dec 2011 #54
I am a former Democrat who adores George McGovern, Wayne Morse, and misses aspects of being Democrat Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #62
Bottom line to Paul is that he has abetted every GOP move toward fascism even as he blm Dec 2011 #56
I don't think you would be speaking quite so dismissively of Paul coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #66
that is SO not the point...I distinctly said the 'bottom line' with Paul is that he has supported blm Dec 2011 #85
Please don't get me wrong, I'm no big fan of Paul's and actually coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #104
I get that, but, just because he CAN say something that makes sense, doesn't mean he deserves a pass blm Dec 2011 #106
Fair enough. I tend to think of Paul as that 'crazy uncle' every family (even the Repukes) has coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #108
They'll run a GOP made man and call him an 'Independent' knowing the mood next year blm Dec 2011 #131
Not many would go from Obama to a racist POS like Ron Paul. DevonRex Dec 2011 #58
I've looked at that claim, and I respectfully disagree with you that he is racist or homophobic Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #63
Do check the link I have offered elsewhere in this thread. nt MADem Dec 2011 #130
I'll look, however I have done extensive reading in Dr. Paul Ferret Annica Dec 2011 #139
Present the evidence. If you can't, you'll forgive me if I suspect you have an agenda here. MADem Dec 2011 #154
This message was self-deleted by its author freshstart Dec 2011 #221
here you go; dionysus Dec 2011 #156
I count five in this thread who have had this conversation with their child or grandchild. LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #71
We've discussed Paul, but thankfully DevonRex Dec 2011 #75
yeah, what's up with Ron Paul Underground today? dionysus Dec 2011 #153
Had a friend who went from a completely normal kid into a Jesus freak right before my eyes once NNN0LHI Dec 2011 #67
"turned off and disgusted" TBF Dec 2011 #78
Here is a link: PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #80
Tell him to read this, Krugman takes Ron Paul to task BootinUp Dec 2011 #82
very good article. Thanks for posting Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #94
Point out that Ron Paul is rabidly anti-abortion and ask him if kestrel91316 Dec 2011 #91
Pauls group answers(Nation) for the Present/Future....frankly... SUCKs....numbers of his are bad opihimoimoi Dec 2011 #92
Paul tells his own truth and avoids politician The Second Stone Dec 2011 #93
Ron Paul looks great right now because he's NOT president. tranche Dec 2011 #95
I can certainly see how a young person could be mesmerized by Ron Paul Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #97
His antiwar stance drew me in... Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #102
Listening to everything else he said was not a mistake. PeaceNikki Dec 2011 #103
I was once an avid Ron Paul supporter... and now I quote Marx and Lenin. nt Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #99
Ron Paul Threads on DU unionworks Dec 2011 #100
+1 dionysus Dec 2011 #157
Under Ron Paul your son can say goodbye to his Social Security, his Medicare, his National Parks, RBInMaine Dec 2011 #107
Your son perhaps thinks that crazy racist is going to legalize weed. Everything else is just window MADem Dec 2011 #109
Not surprised nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #112
Ron Paul = Libertarian = Anarchist mckara Dec 2011 #113
This is one person treestar Dec 2011 #114
I love this response nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #117
tell him there's a guy on the corner screaming that he's a thief and traitor and so is his father certainot Dec 2011 #115
Excellent post. Obama has lead with concensus. That is the job of the president of a democracy. The Wielding Truth Dec 2011 #126
I wouldn't want to live in a Ron Paul utopia where if you don't work, you don't eat. JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #119
Give this 1996 link to your son Onlooker Dec 2011 #124
Ron Paul Is Never Going to Get The Nomination Yavin4 Dec 2011 #125
And that is why we have political campaigns grantcart Dec 2011 #127
7-2 Conservative SCOTUS lobodons Dec 2011 #129
Your son needs just look into Paul's opinions about student loans and debt. boppers Dec 2011 #132
Atman, I feel your pain. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #133
The Constitution must GO! donttazemebro Dec 2011 #134
Bullshit Estevan Dec 2011 #136
Here you go..Obama says Constitution is a flawed document donttazemebro Dec 2011 #141
There is NOTHING there that says Estevan Dec 2011 #144
Thanks for dropping by. Recess is over so you will have to go back now. grantcart Dec 2011 #212
... Ian David Dec 2011 #211
You don't have a problem with the incorporation of legal slavery in the Constitution eridani Dec 2011 #220
Tell your son Estevan Dec 2011 #135
I've been saying this since 2008--that we're losing very good people to the Ron Paul types. Puregonzo1188 Dec 2011 #140
Ron Paul Supporters may be terrorist donttazemebro Dec 2011 #142
You've already shown yourself Estevan Dec 2011 #146
It might be too late for a "time out" quaker bill Dec 2011 #143
This message was self-deleted by its author Occupy_2012 Dec 2011 #151
sure, I mean whats the worst that can happen BootinUp Dec 2011 #170
I seriously hope that you can get through to your son The Genealogist Dec 2011 #158
Ron Paul sat back and did nothing when his own SemperEadem Dec 2011 #162
Obviously doesnt know how to vote then. johncoby2 Dec 2011 #163
Paul says let them die if they can't afford insurance. Take away their benefits and let them die ! urbuddha Dec 2011 #164
your son should look broader picture and really analyze what would change under a ron paul La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2011 #169
What does your son think of Jon Huntsman? melonkali Dec 2011 #171
There seems to be a lot of older people talking about younger people in this thread. totodeinhere Dec 2011 #175
Interesting subject for discussion. This is worth it's own post. canoeist52 Dec 2011 #177
I dug up a bunch of stuff on Ron Paul. freshstart Dec 2011 #176
I hope he is not walerosco Dec 2011 #178
Paul wants to make all drug use legal, so kids see his as the cool old guy. nt Kahuna Dec 2011 #179
Gingrich wants poor kids to work, Palestinians to be treated abelenkpe Dec 2011 #181
don't despair DonCoquixote Dec 2011 #186
they already can and do gut the minimum wage SixthSense Dec 2011 #188
Or that he was part of an unelected "shadow cabinet" freshstart Dec 2011 #203
Does your son have positions on free trade, reproductive rights, the Civil Rights Act, alp227 Dec 2011 #187
Ron Paul says here that corporations freshstart Dec 2011 #201
Excellent! Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #189
Support for Ron Paul is not a sign of maturity Scootaloo Dec 2011 #199
I don't believe the OP indicated that his son was supporting Ron Paul Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #216
I don't imagine overturning Roe v. Wade will be much of a problem JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #191
my 23 yo daughter? the same....... her gang feels abandoned politically. right or wrong that piratefish08 Dec 2011 #192
I'm sorry to say. You're daughter is not a critical thinker and may be racist. vaberella Dec 2011 #195
This message was self-deleted by its author Romulox Dec 2011 #207
Aw geez...I just encountered the same thing with an early Obama supporter on a phone bank call. whathehell Dec 2011 #193
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #196
With respect, it's not Obama's fault that your son now supports the joke that is Ron Paul. jefferson_dem Dec 2011 #197
Did he quit baseball when he didn't knock it out of the park on his very first swing? Scootaloo Dec 2011 #198
I can understand disenchantment but rosesaylavee Dec 2011 #200
Ditto for my son. Registered to vote, worked Obamas campaign, etc. Now Ron Paulite. peacebird Dec 2011 #202
I think that Ron Paul is genuine and honest, which is a big part of this appeal. He says what he spicegal Dec 2011 #204
He says what others dare not say and this adds to his appeal as well. Military spending is bleeding think Dec 2011 #209
Maybe because some don't want a racist, anti-choice xenopobe to have any legitmacy at all? Jennicut Dec 2011 #217
Here is an essay that I wrote about Ron Paul a few years ago LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #206
Your son needs to be allowed to make his own choice. Myrina Dec 2011 #208
Liars and the lies they do...... my son introduced me to the movie the matrix Ichingcarpenter Dec 2011 #215
BREAKING: Dinner conversion with son regarding Ron Paul. Atman Dec 2011 #218
I know this may sound strange but proud patriot Dec 2011 #222
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