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MannyGoldstein

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51. The Third Way has run our party for 20+ years

Sat Nov 23, 2013, 03:49 PM

Nov 2013

How do you think it's been working out?

Some of us think it's been a total disaster for the 99%, in the US and elsewhere, and we want the disaster to stop. We want the Third Way to go away. Far, far away.

We are now in a situation where important people, such as Chuck "Senator from Wall Street Schumer" say that Hillary is unstoppable and that nobody else should run so that there won't be a messy primary.

Fuck that.

Given the highly-orchestrated campaign by the Third Way to stifle opposition to more a Third Way candidate, it is incumbant upon those of us who want government of, by, and for the people to do we what can to stop this train. If we don't, then history has shown us what will happen.

If Hillary wins the primaries I will STFU on DU. Until then, I don't see how pointing out a candidate's proclivity to prevaricate is any less germane than Warren supporters pointing out that her lack of experience in office.

Regards,

First Way Manny

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Hillary in Bosnia: lone gunman? [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 OP

Screw Bosnia. We need someone with Walmart Board of Directors experience, Manny! NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #1

What's next? A thread about the Clintons xmas card list? AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #27

Rose Law Firm Billings. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #59

Vincent Foster AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #78

Travel Office! nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #131

The Clinton body count! AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #149

Mena Airport!!! nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #174

Don't forget, crony mass pardons. joshcryer Nov 2013 #168

We need to have First Way Benghazi hearings. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #175

naughty x-mas tree ornaments nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #179

Oh--that's right....there was a RW meme about cockrings on the White House Xmas Tree. msanthrope Nov 2013 #180

and someone who remains cool and collected under pressure! Whisp Nov 2013 #72

Clinton v Warren.... NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #147

it's not even 2014 and the Hillary haters are out in force dlwickham Nov 2013 #2

Please give a definition of the expression "Hillary haters" nt fadedrose Nov 2013 #3

Simple, look at yourself in the mirror. Beacool Nov 2013 #19

Not allowed to call names, somebody might alert fadedrose Nov 2013 #39

Then you obviously are not reading what you write. Beacool Nov 2013 #43

Apparently, hating on Hillary is OK at DU... SidDithers Nov 2013 #46

Yes, apparently so. Beacool Nov 2013 #49

ha! Whisp Nov 2013 #73

Well, look what the Canadian artic winds brought in. Beacool Nov 2013 #82

You can Blame Canada when Hillary loses the primary. :) Whisp Nov 2013 #104

I would only "blame" you if you could legally vote in the US. Beacool Nov 2013 #119

Some things I wrote are opinion, some are facts. fadedrose Nov 2013 #115

This is true to my understanding, but I'm not seeing/hearing/reading anything that espouses these libdem4life Nov 2013 #162

"... EW is not viable for many reasons." Scuba Nov 2013 #172

I love her. She can right now do what no other politician has cared to do, let alone has the libdem4life Nov 2013 #187

Has Warren claimed to "smoke a peace pipe on the rez"? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #5

Did you sleep through the Senate campaign? That business got VERY ugly. nt MADem Nov 2013 #9

I remember the ugly accusations. But not any ugly realities. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #22

The ugly accusations had to do with EW's belief that she had NA ancestry. MADem Nov 2013 #29

The RW is still harping on that one. Beacool Nov 2013 #32

Do you see any difference between Warren's claim MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #38

Elizabeth doesn't need to lie. Why she's gonna be the first female president. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #57

In the Left's dreams................. Beacool Nov 2013 #83

You're not part of the 'left'? Did you know that is a left forum? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #91

This is a forum for democrats,at least it used to be. sufrommich Nov 2013 #98

Democrats = left. Unless you're saying that the 'new democrats' = right. There is only the sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #105

Technically yes, she is. But Elizabeth is an example of a true blue Democrat who deserves serious consideration for the 2016 nomination. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #108

omg lol. Let's forgive Hillary all her massive foibles because Warren's mom Whisp Nov 2013 #74

They're praying that EW will run--it chafes them every time she repeats that she isn't going to. MADem Nov 2013 #93

I don't care who runs so long as it is a Progressive Dem who isn't beholden to Corporate Funding. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #111

Voters don't care about funding as much as they should, if THEIR candidate is being outspent. MADem Nov 2013 #114

Checking for hate - none here +++ fadedrose Nov 2013 #112

"Her mother was, apparently, completely mistaken." MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #33

For someone who avers so much expertise, you are conveniently devoid of information when MADem Nov 2013 #52

Which part of that disproves what her mother told her? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #53

Since you didn't read any of the links, I will leave you to read them again. MADem Nov 2013 #62

Well, what does your alleged source *actually* say? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #69

Give it up, Manny. MADem Nov 2013 #79

My parents told me I was born a Jew MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #84

Can you get hiring preference for being Jewish? MADem Nov 2013 #90

Is it possible that EW did not, in fact, have the quiet DNA test you suspect she had? Laelth Nov 2013 #116

Anything is possible. MADem Nov 2013 #136

Thank you for the thoughtful response. Laelth Nov 2013 #169

It is very touching fadedrose Nov 2013 #113

You'd think that such a supporter of Elizabeth Warren would have these facts and figures at hand..nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #58

Yeah.... MADem Nov 2013 #63

You mean the facts that don't support MADem's contention? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #77

You're a liberal? Could have fooled me. MADem Nov 2013 #94

They tear themselves down MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #100

Who has cut social security? What did I miss? When did that happen? MADem Nov 2013 #107

Lack of success equals lack of intent? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #124

Saying things happened when they didn't; shit-stirring? MADem Nov 2013 #125

Allright. We'll call it a draw. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #128

I've got all my limbs. MADem Nov 2013 #137

The only thing they have is a very nasty streak. Beacool Nov 2013 #88

The GOP wants her to run, and they think they can "briar patch" us into putting her forward. MADem Nov 2013 #95

That's a strong claim. Laelth Nov 2013 #117

No, it isn't really--the nation is far less genteel than the commonwealth when it comes to beating MADem Nov 2013 #133

Wow. Thank you. Laelth Nov 2013 #170

i said maybe she was dlwickham Nov 2013 #11

Thanks for promoting yet another right-wing talking point. randome Nov 2013 #4

Does Hillary bear any culpability here? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #6

Probably. I don't know. randome Nov 2013 #12

No, she doesn't!!!! Beacool Nov 2013 #15

I've posted a bunch of pro-Elizabeth Warren stuff MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #24

You can post positive stuff without a need to continually offend many other Democrats. Beacool Nov 2013 #25

No, you haven't. This post is characteristic of your handiwork, and you're playing a weak, MADem Nov 2013 #70

Bullshit. I actually was the original petitioner for an Elizabeth Warren group. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #75

You "build up" Elizabeth Warren by tearing others down--and we are noticing. MADem Nov 2013 #87

. Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #142

CandidateObama = PresidentObama joshcryer Nov 2013 #156

It was Hillary on the Grassy Gnome in Tuzla. Whisp Nov 2013 #126

She apologized for the statement. joshcryer Nov 2013 #153

I will. Lying about being in combat or under fire is a pretty big deal. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #165

She told the story without sniper fire 99% of the time. joshcryer Nov 2013 #167

Slow day at the manufactured outrage factory? JoePhilly Nov 2013 #7

+1...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #8

This is more than a bit of a stretch, I concur. MADem Nov 2013 #10

Very true ... except ... Miley is making a ton of money off her shtick. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #42

You're right--at this rate, the outrage will be at "Vince Foster was Murdered" in a month or two and msanthrope Nov 2013 #45

Yeah, I hope that gets put into CT and we start banning those dinguses. joshcryer Nov 2013 #150

I think a First Way Benghazi Hearing Forum is an inevitability. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #176

You Better Believe It! nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #31

nicely done Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #134

What's weird is that he should hold back the ammo. joshcryer Nov 2013 #157

I'm sure he's counting on frightening Hillary out of running. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #181

What the heck is the matter with you???????????? Beacool Nov 2013 #13

Democrat vs. Democrat as usual treestar Nov 2013 #18

The only thing this is doing is making people start to dislike whoever he's supporting. Beacool Nov 2013 #20

You have to ask yourself Why would anyone deliberately try to divide a group? arely staircase Nov 2013 #23

Exactly!! Beacool Nov 2013 #26

Actually, I do think the habitual pot stirrers know exactly what they're doing IrishAyes Nov 2013 #55

oh yes, exactly! hahah Whisp Nov 2013 #141

Yawn............ Beacool Nov 2013 #143

but of course, what else could you possibly have to say.... Whisp Nov 2013 #144

Gee, who WOULD want to divide and defeat Democrats? MADem Nov 2013 #96

you have arely staircase Nov 2013 #103

The pattern is starting to become apparent. MADem Nov 2013 #30

Better believe it...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #47

Yes, indeed. nt MADem Nov 2013 #99

i see all the 'serious people' are taking this seriously KG Nov 2013 #14

it is the sensible thing to do FatBuddy Nov 2013 #28

Was the "sniper fire" comment ever meant to be taken literally? Dash87 Nov 2013 #16

Three or four times she implied she was under direct fire. joshcryer Nov 2013 #154

She's traveled so much I think she could easily end up treestar Nov 2013 #17

She wouldn't be. Beacool Nov 2013 #21

I like HRC, and I like Warren, too. MADem Nov 2013 #34

I agree. Beacool Nov 2013 #41

EW is cutting them off at the pass pretty decisively. MADem Nov 2013 #54

I know she has said this several times, but I didn't see her say it to Axelrod. Laelth Nov 2013 #118

You don't have to take my word--believe your own eyes! MADem Nov 2013 #123

Oh, I know she said it ... several times. Laelth Nov 2013 #171

Well, it's no secret who Axelrod would back. MADem Nov 2013 #178

Indeed, and well-said. Laelth Nov 2013 #183

She's not going to run.She has enormous skills, and she's using them where she can do the most good. MADem Nov 2013 #184

She was competing with a POW and a strong man. joshcryer Nov 2013 #160

I think Elizabeth Warren was only 11 or 12 when JFK was assassinated. madinmaryland Nov 2013 #35

But what about on that terrible day in Bosnia? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #36

This is Ratfucking. Ratfucking, as defined by Watergate figure Donald Segretti, is rightwing attacks msanthrope Nov 2013 #37

Nailed it... SidDithers Nov 2013 #48

I hope somebody posts the jury results--I want to see them. Seriously, what actual Warren supporter msanthrope Nov 2013 #50

The Third Way has run our party for 20+ years MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #51

I wondered what your response to the nuclear option would be. Back to the Clintons, are we? msanthrope Nov 2013 #56

Not exactly a "nuclear option" MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #76

You sound VERY concerned about the fact that Reid used the nuclear option. VERY concerned. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #121

One of us has a reading comprehension problem. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #130

Not satisfied with the nuclear option, hating on Hillary Clinton....the deal with Iran must msanthrope Nov 2013 #182

Give it time.... MADem Nov 2013 #102

OOOooo....I expect someone's gonna unearth Dan Burton's old melon-shooting tapes soon. msanthrope Nov 2013 #122

I have to agree with your analysis. MADem Nov 2013 #66

Yet it is you who parrots right wing lies: MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #71

This is the 2nd time you have lamely linked to your OWN POST while falsely accusing me. MADem Nov 2013 #92

Well, she learned how to duck....responsibility. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #40

Dear Ready For Hillary To Lose Manny, Motown_Johnny Nov 2013 #44

Well, that's "asked and answered" and the "corporate media" doesn't replow old fields. MADem Nov 2013 #68

Hillary has more than passed the CIC test. Beacool Nov 2013 #81

No doubt. There is a CIC test. Laelth Nov 2013 #173

I'm gonna DU Rec this thread... SidDithers Nov 2013 #60

I was one of only two jurors who voted to hide BainsBane Nov 2013 #64

Yeah, I hear you.. SidDithers Nov 2013 #65

+1,000 nt MADem Nov 2013 #110

Good point. The right wing talking points are already starting. joshcryer Nov 2013 #155

Funny (in a malicious kind of way). k&r Laelth Nov 2013 #61

She was busy being a Republican because they were better for business. Beacool Nov 2013 #80

Hmm. Interesting theory. Laelth Nov 2013 #85

Give it up, Laelth. Beacool Nov 2013 #89

Sorry. I was being playful. Laelth Nov 2013 #101

OK, fair enough. Beacool Nov 2013 #120

LOL nt Oilwellian Nov 2013 #67

This is no different than the freepers faux sufrommich Nov 2013 #86

Almost like a cut-n-paste... nt MADem Nov 2013 #97

Why can't you discuss the actual issues? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #106

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #127

That OP was priceless. Priceless. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #132

2016 is gonna be fun for those of us on the sidelines. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #109

Here you go, Manny. Kerry just eclipsed Clinton by a landslide. randome Nov 2013 #129

I didn't realize that it was a competition. Beacool Nov 2013 #138

Susan McDougal will take the fall for her. NBachers Nov 2013 #135

Ken Starr, is that you? Beacool Nov 2013 #139

No, it's just a silly response to a silly thread; ridiculing the original intent of the thread. NBachers Nov 2013 #145

Sorry, I misunderstood. Beacool Nov 2013 #146

In the meantime, Jeb Bush is busy, warming up in the corner. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #140

What is it Democrats have about enabling/electing Bushes..and whoever the freak libdem4life Nov 2013 #148

I'm tired of these divisive and negative efforts--they have as a goal disruption. MADem Nov 2013 #152

Hell, yeah. No More Bushes...yet, the Republicans love them for their higher royalness. LOL. libdem4life Nov 2013 #158

Hey, Obama already used the Harry and Louise ad. joshcryer Nov 2013 #151

No kidding? If not, LOL. libdem4life Nov 2013 #159

I tease. joshcryer Nov 2013 #161

I stand currently educated. Thanks. libdem4life Nov 2013 #163

The "Harry and Louise" ads were to shoot down health care in the 90s. joshcryer Nov 2013 #164

Sadly, I remember them. Nothing new under the sun still describes our culture. libdem4life Nov 2013 #166

Well, he got his wish and now it's his headache. Beacool Nov 2013 #177

All you need to know about Hillary: bvar22 Nov 2013 #185

Hahahaha!!! Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #186