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In reply to the discussion: Common Core teaches Gettysburg Address with no context or background. Unbelievable. [View all]eqfan592
(5,963 posts)67. Teaching the background first completely invalidates the exercise.
The previous poster did a fantastic job explaining how it works, and the reason why coming at the text cold is necessary for the exercise.
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Common Core teaches Gettysburg Address with no context or background. Unbelievable. [View all]
madfloridian
Nov 2013
OP
No--"close reading" does NOT. That's the POINT. Did no one else learn this in grad school? nt
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#52
If that's what's taught in grad school today, it doesn't necessarily validate it anyway.
IrishAyes
Nov 2013
#55
Perhaps not. But students should still be aware of the New Critics, and the foundation of modern
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#61
Not until they learn something of value FIRST. If there's time for trash later, fine.
IrishAyes
Nov 2013
#64
Hey--this is the 10th grade. If they haven't learned anything of substance by then, this is hardly
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#68
Trash? You certain you're not reading from the Texas State Republican Party platform? nt
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#70
So if someone adamantly opposes you, it's okay to call them that vilest of names, a conservative?
IrishAyes
Nov 2013
#90
But they aren't teaching 'history.' They are teaching a literary technique that
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#54
Everything we teach our kids in school needs to be taught in context. Math needs to be taught as
RC
Nov 2013
#4
I hit the math brick wall with calculus. That is, until the school principal took it upon himself
IrishAyes
Nov 2013
#74
That sort of thing's why my math grades were always 20% lower than my physics ones
Posteritatis
Nov 2013
#73
You understand that exercises such as this do in fact encourage critical thinking, right?
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#79
Abstract math is what they teach in school. That is why so many people do not understand it and are
RC
Nov 2013
#145
I think teachers are very capable of making the lesson in the OP a powerful one
bhikkhu
Nov 2013
#117
The last paragraph means: the test questions ought relate STRICTLY to the given text. Thus, a
WinkyDink
Nov 2013
#10
Which is insulting to both teacher and student intelligence. Limits open discussion.
madfloridian
Nov 2013
#12
I would think that this MIGHT be an interesting assignment for an English/Writing class,
Volaris
Nov 2013
#15
It says initially...and a reason is given...to work for meaning from the text
HereSince1628
Nov 2013
#34
It doesn't make any sense to me. Teachers have been combining English with other subjects for
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2013
#98
You don't think it restricts teacher and student input and discussion? I do.
madfloridian
Nov 2013
#23
You're more interested in insulting your opponents than defending your position. Very telling.
IrishAyes
Nov 2013
#94
Given that you opened with an insult, i really feel you are in exactly zero position to lecture...
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#96
But this lesson isn't teaching the GA...it's teaching a literary technique that the source, and the
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#51
Actually, this thread is GREAT-and let me tell you why--you would not believe the number of teachers
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#72
It's been going on for thousands of years---I was taught it was Talmudic-based. It's a
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#78
Exactly. I just think it's both amusing and sad that so many people here are denouncing this...
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#81
It's an attack on Common Core that fails because of lack of erudition. So, it's pretty funny and
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#84
The arguments being made here make me almost think some people here, deep down...
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#85
Read the Education Forum here...you'd be surprised how many "Progressives" would be in line with
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#86
No, I did not overlook any of that. I simply don't know how teaching the background....
madfloridian
Nov 2013
#38
Because you aren't teaching the speech. You are teaching a technique. Valerie Strauss, your source
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#49
Hell, misanthrope, I was only a teacher. Strauss is only a reporter. What do you expect?
madfloridian
Nov 2013
#102
Critical thinking is known by many names. Don't get hung up on terminology.
madfloridian
Nov 2013
#127
I expect, madfloridian, that you be able to identify "close reading" before you rail against it. nt
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#114
120 posts, and that's what you've analyzed from the thread? All righty then! nt
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#130
You're obviously not an educator. And of course that is the problem with our new 'educational
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#39
the democratic establishment will never go against a democratic administration about anything.
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2013
#106
This is teaching the Gettysburg Address the same way fundies teach the bible.
kestrel91316
Nov 2013
#43
No--it's not teaching the GA. It's teaching a literary technique, "close reading." The source's
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#50
Load of BS. That's how you graduate kids who can't find the US on a world map.
IrishAyes
Nov 2013
#45
Well, it's how you teach "close reading" in Eng. Lit. It's not how you would teach History. The
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#48
Yes--but you identified that a technique was being taught. So far, neither the source, nor the OP
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#57
Anything I can understand, other people should be able to understand also. I don't set the bar
IrishAyes
Nov 2013
#88
No--it's pretty apparent that the OP and the source had no idea what "close reading" is. And it's
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#91
In this Christian world it is known as Lectio Divina, a very old technique of reading the Bible.
kwassa
Nov 2013
#103
You didn't teach English, did you? I did, and this is exactly how you teach "close reading." Sweet
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#47
Don't be....the OP and the source have fundamentally misunderstood what they've read. nt
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#65
Common Core is a teacher evaluation program designed to break tenure and cut teacher pay by 1/2.
CK_John
Nov 2013
#69
I actually understand where they are coming from. It didn't say don't EVER explain context
Pretzel_Warrior
Nov 2013
#71
They aren't teaching the GA--they are teaching a literary technique. A literary technique of the
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#75
thanks. I figured it had to be something like this. people who jump to conclusions
Pretzel_Warrior
Nov 2013
#77
It's agenda-driven critique of the Obama administration that fails because it isn't erudite enough.
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#80
Common Core is a replacement for the failed NCLB. Give it time. Failure will follow....because....
madfloridian
Nov 2013
#105
We are going to have an entire lost generation when it comes to education.
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2013
#93
And as the parent of two children who have suffered under the Common Core I want to bang my head
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2013
#111
You understand that one is capable of being in favor of using cold reading...
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#115
"Close reading" isn't new. Your argument would benefit if you explored what it is. nt
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#133
No--it's pretty obvious you've never done it. It's not 'new' --it's derived
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#138
I have done this before at various grade levels. Most teachers have and do so.
madfloridian
Nov 2013
#134
No--it's pretty obvious from your comments that you have never done "close reading" and I am betting
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#137
I understand the point of the exercise here. And it is a very useful exercise.
MineralMan
Nov 2013
#146