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In reply to the discussion: Hillary in Bosnia: lone gunman? [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)133. No, it isn't really--the nation is far less genteel than the commonwealth when it comes to beating
attack politics--and Warren barely survived the Pow Wow/tomahawk onslaught from Scott Brown. They perceive her as an inexperienced lamb to the slaughter. She hasn't been vetted at the national level, anything can be a scandal (Oooooh, ex-husband!!1!1! Ooooh, youthful marriage!!!1!1!) and there are more wagging tongues than there are brains on the GOP side to spread lies and disinformation.
And she is probably the smartest senator in the US Senate for many reasons--one of which is that she knows her interests and limitations.
Here--this scenario has her losing to Ted Cruz: http://www.salon.com/2013/10/25/ted_cruz_will_be_president_if_democrats_listen_to_elizabeth_warren_warns_republican/
In this terrifyingly real scenario, the U.S. tips back into recession, Republicans win huge in 2014 and Democrats respond by getting more aggressively populist on economic and financial issues. These Democrats revolt against Hillary Clinton, and Obamas moderation, and embrace, instead, Elizabeth Warren. Warren, slightly oddly, decides to run against Clinton, and the bruising primary fight divides and weakens the party.
Cruz, meanwhile, capitalizes on the shutdown and his general reputation for being a huge dick all the time and handily wins the nomination. Then he moves to the center, sort of!
Ted Cruz, however, could offer the vice presidency to Chris Christie and the Democrats post-2014 leftward veer frightened Republican donors enough that they pressed Christie to accept. Unlike Romney in 2012, Cruzs conservative allegiance could not be questioned, freeing him to write the vaguest platform and conduct the most issue-free campaign of any Republican since George H.W. Bush in 1988. Cruz delivered half his convention speech in Spanish and used the other half to rededicate the party to the compassion of conservatism, a subtle variant of an old phrase that delighted convention delegates.
Want more? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/15/elizabeth-warren-hillary-clinton-democrats-2016
Elizabeth Warren won't save the Democrats in 2016
Warren's populist message could defeat Hillary in the primaries. But her proposed policies won't win over the general electorate
...Many voters will have a problem with Warren's proposed clampdown on the consumer credit industry. To the extent that they even understand what she's proposing, it's going to sound like she wants to cut off their access to credit cards, auto loans and mortgages. As irresponsible as the consumer credit industry has been, voters will legitimately want to know how Warren proposes to supply them with a car to get to work when they don't have the money to pay for one and groceries when a meager paycheck has been spent.
Which brings us to the real issue that American workers care about about which neither Warren nor her Republican opponent will have anything credible to say: how do we create high-paying jobs for American workers?
The real solution is unfortunately beyond the imagination of almost any Democrat or Republican. The real solution is a massive mobilization of labor and capital to redevelop the US economy something that the US and every industrialized country has done before.
If you look around at some of the RW hate sites, I'll bet you could find plenty of anticipatory glee--I am not motivated to look over in those open sewers.
But it doesn't matter--she's not fundraising, she's not making the rounds, and she's not running. See:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/elizabeth-warren-financial-backer-tells-donors-no-chance-on?bftw=
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Screw Bosnia. We need someone with Walmart Board of Directors experience, Manny!
NYC_SKP
Nov 2013
#1
Oh--that's right....there was a RW meme about cockrings on the White House Xmas Tree.
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#180
This is true to my understanding, but I'm not seeing/hearing/reading anything that espouses these
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#162
I love her. She can right now do what no other politician has cared to do, let alone has the
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#187
Elizabeth doesn't need to lie. Why she's gonna be the first female president.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Nov 2013
#57
Democrats = left. Unless you're saying that the 'new democrats' = right. There is only the
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#105
Technically yes, she is. But Elizabeth is an example of a true blue Democrat who deserves serious consideration for the 2016 nomination.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Nov 2013
#108
They're praying that EW will run--it chafes them every time she repeats that she isn't going to.
MADem
Nov 2013
#93
I don't care who runs so long as it is a Progressive Dem who isn't beholden to Corporate Funding.
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#111
Voters don't care about funding as much as they should, if THEIR candidate is being outspent.
MADem
Nov 2013
#114
For someone who avers so much expertise, you are conveniently devoid of information when
MADem
Nov 2013
#52
Is it possible that EW did not, in fact, have the quiet DNA test you suspect she had?
Laelth
Nov 2013
#116
You'd think that such a supporter of Elizabeth Warren would have these facts and figures at hand..nt
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#58
The GOP wants her to run, and they think they can "briar patch" us into putting her forward.
MADem
Nov 2013
#95
No, it isn't really--the nation is far less genteel than the commonwealth when it comes to beating
MADem
Nov 2013
#133
You can post positive stuff without a need to continually offend many other Democrats.
Beacool
Nov 2013
#25
No, you haven't. This post is characteristic of your handiwork, and you're playing a weak,
MADem
Nov 2013
#70
Bullshit. I actually was the original petitioner for an Elizabeth Warren group.
MannyGoldstein
Nov 2013
#75
You're right--at this rate, the outrage will be at "Vince Foster was Murdered" in a month or two and
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#45
The only thing this is doing is making people start to dislike whoever he's supporting.
Beacool
Nov 2013
#20
You have to ask yourself Why would anyone deliberately try to divide a group?
arely staircase
Nov 2013
#23
Actually, I do think the habitual pot stirrers know exactly what they're doing
IrishAyes
Nov 2013
#55
I know she has said this several times, but I didn't see her say it to Axelrod.
Laelth
Nov 2013
#118
She's not going to run.She has enormous skills, and she's using them where she can do the most good.
MADem
Nov 2013
#184
This is Ratfucking. Ratfucking, as defined by Watergate figure Donald Segretti, is rightwing attacks
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#37
I hope somebody posts the jury results--I want to see them. Seriously, what actual Warren supporter
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#50
I wondered what your response to the nuclear option would be. Back to the Clintons, are we?
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#56
You sound VERY concerned about the fact that Reid used the nuclear option. VERY concerned. nt
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#121
Not satisfied with the nuclear option, hating on Hillary Clinton....the deal with Iran must
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#182
OOOooo....I expect someone's gonna unearth Dan Burton's old melon-shooting tapes soon.
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#122
This is the 2nd time you have lamely linked to your OWN POST while falsely accusing me.
MADem
Nov 2013
#92
Well, that's "asked and answered" and the "corporate media" doesn't replow old fields.
MADem
Nov 2013
#68
No, it's just a silly response to a silly thread; ridiculing the original intent of the thread.
NBachers
Nov 2013
#145
What is it Democrats have about enabling/electing Bushes..and whoever the freak
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#148
I'm tired of these divisive and negative efforts--they have as a goal disruption.
MADem
Nov 2013
#152
Hell, yeah. No More Bushes...yet, the Republicans love them for their higher royalness. LOL.
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#158
Sadly, I remember them. Nothing new under the sun still describes our culture.
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#166