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DanTex

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92. I saw that documentary.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 12:25 AM
Nov 2013

I don't blame you for giving it credence, but I do blame the people who made it, because it is people like them that are responsible for spreading misinformation and keeping rumors of conspiracy alive. It did make what seemed to be a compelling case, but that's only because the audience was assumed to not be familiar with any of the actual evidence. In reality, the level of journalistic integrity there was somewhere between Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity.

A few brief problems.

First, that theory required that Oswald only fired two shots, which the documentary explained by claiming that one of the shell casings wasn't actually fired, and that Oswald was just keeping it in the gun to keep the barrel clean. But we know that he fired three shots, not just because there were three shell casings found on the floor, but also because there were three employees of the TSBD watching the procession from the window directly below Oswald who all heard three loud shots fired above them. One of them, who was familiar with guns, also heard clicking from reloading, and the sound of shell casings dropping to the floor. Another one of them had some dust or residue drop on his head from the floor shaking above him from the shots. The fact that the producers of the documentary omitted that evidence while trying to claim that only two shots were fired should be reason enough to be extremely skeptical of anything else they present.

Second, the doc makes a big deal of the fact that a bunch of witnesses say they saw that Secret Service officer holding the AR-15 before the third shot was fired, even though the officer's statement said he didn't have it out until after. And maybe the witnesses were right -- it was a matter of seconds, after all. What the doc doesn't mention is that none of the witnesses actually heard or saw the AR-15 fire a shot. This includes not only bystanders, but also the other people riding in the same car, who were asked about this when the theory came out, and who stated that they obviously would have noticed a rifle being fired right next to them and that it didn't happen.

About the head wound, the obvious reason why the head bullet broke up while the "magic" bullet didn't is that the head bullet went straight into JFK's skull, while the "magic" bullet went through soft tissue. The documentary also fails to mention that two fragments of a full metal jacketed bullet were found in JFK's car, and that ballistics matched those fragments to Oswald's gun. Again this is conclusive evidence that Oswald fired both shots that hit JFK, and along with the first shot that missed, that makes three Oswald shots and zero shots from anywhere else. And, I hope that you'll agree, from the point of journalistic integrity, failing to mention the bullet fragments that matched Oswald's rifle is a pretty serious "error".

The trajectory thing was a simple mistake. The guy who came up with the theory was an expert on guns, not an expert on photography, so he has no particular expertise in figuring out the angle of JFK's head from the Zapruder film. The House Select Committee on Assassinations had the film reviewed by a panel of photographic experts, who confirmed that the angle of his head was such that the bullet trajectory lined up with Oswald.

And so on. I don't remember all the other details, but you get the idea.

The broader point is, it's pretty easy to make a documentary that selects a few witnesses out of hundreds, and ignores major pieces of forensic evidence, and presents what appears to be a persuasive case for one theory or another. And that's what most of the conspiracy stuff boils down to.

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good post treestar Nov 2013 #1
My goodness, aren't the Authoritarians out in force this morning? BlueStreak Nov 2013 #71
What do the Authoritarians have to do with the CT theories on the JFK assassination? treestar Nov 2013 #72
This thread is littered with people hurling insults at anybody who refuses to fall right in line BlueStreak Nov 2013 #73
Yep, the CIA whacked him. I believe Dick Gregory. nt valerief Nov 2013 #2
The pattern of events renders the forensic "evidence" ridiculous ucrdem Nov 2013 #3
Am I the only one reading this and getting the message that wanting a little ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #4
Well said. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #6
I don't think that's a fair characterization of the OP. DanTex Nov 2013 #7
I will admit that the "I stopped believing..." shows an inherent mistrust of Government explanations ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #12
This has nothing to do with hiding threads that bother me. DanTex Nov 2013 #21
There isn't an "apparent suspension of reason." ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #24
Yes, there is. DanTex Nov 2013 #30
DU rec... SidDithers Nov 2013 #5
If I had another rec to give to Pierce, I would. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #8
But we can evaluate the evidence for JFK's assassination ourselves cpwm17 Nov 2013 #22
And you are fine with all the evidence that the CIA let you see. Why are 1,000 pages of "evidence" rhett o rick Nov 2013 #93
We convict on the evidence that we have cpwm17 Nov 2013 #96
Would you care to name one major news event in your lifetime Big Blue Marble Nov 2013 #9
Just one example, I think the EPA is right about climate change. DanTex Nov 2013 #13
The EPA's view is strongly supported by a growing body Big Blue Marble Nov 2013 #18
Look, you asked for an example of something the government got right, and I provided. DanTex Nov 2013 #23
What I asked for was an example of a news event. Big Blue Marble Nov 2013 #28
OK.... DanTex Nov 2013 #35
I would mostly agree. Big Blue Marble Nov 2013 #43
You missed the point. DanTex Nov 2013 #50
You make assumptions about me that are incorrect. Big Blue Marble Nov 2013 #58
Your views are what they are, and I don't hope to change them. DanTex Nov 2013 #61
You miss my point. Big Blue Marble Nov 2013 #65
I don't think I did. DanTex Nov 2013 #68
Of course I would love to agree with you that liberals are more rational. Big Blue Marble Nov 2013 #74
Well, I certainly think some people/groups are more rational than others. DanTex Nov 2013 #78
Didn't happen in the 60's; doesn't count Scootaloo Nov 2013 #44
Since the government lies all the time, why isn't the EPA treestar Nov 2013 #81
The jump from "the government isn't telling everything" to "I know all the answers!" is a long one Scootaloo Nov 2013 #41
Of course, there are ridiculous outliers that drive these stories for fun and profit. Big Blue Marble Nov 2013 #52
Another "obey our authority" post. Thanks but sometimes TBF Nov 2013 #10
Oswald's being the lone shooter doesn't wercal Nov 2013 #11
You mean you don't think 9/11 was 19 lone nuts? former9thward Nov 2013 #15
The difference, of course, being that there is evidence linking the 9/11 murderers DanTex Nov 2013 #17
No, it does not. DanTex Nov 2013 #16
You have put "facts" in your OP that are not facts at all. former9thward Nov 2013 #14
Actually you discredit liberals with that kind of nonsense. duffyduff Nov 2013 #27
I on the side of truth. former9thward Nov 2013 #34
That's what Allen Dulles and the CIA want you to believe. Octafish Nov 2013 #19
The Oswald impersonation story? Really? DanTex Nov 2013 #25
Yes. CIA officer David Atlee Phillips said ''Oswald was never in Mexico City.'' Octafish Nov 2013 #33
Oswald wasn't "impersonated". Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #40
Here's the guy in the photograph... Octafish Nov 2013 #48
The guy in the photograph submitted with the visa application? No. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #64
J Edgar Hoover was wrong. DanTex Nov 2013 #77
You mean the Allen Dulles who Kennedy replaced as CIA chief on November 29, 1961? longship Nov 2013 #37
Yes. Unlike patsies, perps have motives. nt ucrdem Nov 2013 #59
I don't understand your response. longship Nov 2013 #62
Remember Plato's cave? ucrdem Nov 2013 #69
That CIA ohheckyeah Nov 2013 #95
Belief in conspiracies has a long history in the United States duffyduff Nov 2013 #20
+1 The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #46
It's better for them than booze. gulliver Nov 2013 #26
Belief in conspiracy is akin to religious belief. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #29
It's the same mentality that affects creationists. duffyduff Nov 2013 #31
wtf is up with all these "anti-CT" posts? RussBLib Nov 2013 #32
Yes, of course, I'm part of a disinformation campaign. You got me. DanTex Nov 2013 #36
We Can Flip That Statement colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #38
Its human nature to believe in them. kydo Nov 2013 #39
Sure, why not? ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #42
The Warren Commission Report was crap. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #45
Why wouldn't "they" have someone waiting to kill Oswald in the book depository, Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #49
I have no idea. Perhaps you should ask them. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #80
Not to get into a big long debate here but... DanTex Nov 2013 #56
it looks like his head was blown out from the front dogindia Nov 2013 #47
The official story makes the exit wound the entrance wound, Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #89
No, no, and no. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #91
Here, watch in this video at around the 43 minute mark. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #94
Yes ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #51
The paranoid style is American as apple pie. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #53
Even congress concluded it was a likely conspiracy. grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #54
See here. DanTex Nov 2013 #57
I have lost count of how many times the faulty HSCA findings are posited as fact at DU. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #60
It's amazing, isn't it? zappaman Nov 2013 #63
Yes it is. DanTex Nov 2013 #66
Yeah, the personal attacks are what finally convinced me. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #67
That's what did it? zappaman Nov 2013 #75
Excellent post! frogmarch Nov 2013 #55
Discredit Tactics colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #70
The way I see it... kentuck Nov 2013 #76
A lot of Americans have strong reasons not to completely trust the offical versions of anything Fumesucker Nov 2013 #79
DU can't even agree on who killed Kennedy. Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #82
ALL of them did it! zappaman Nov 2013 #84
It would be interesting to have a breakdown Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #83
I have never been big on the whole conspiracy thing.... renie408 Nov 2013 #85
I saw that documentary. DanTex Nov 2013 #92
I don't subscribe to any particular conspiracy theory... hlthe2b Nov 2013 #86
"We" give them a pass LWolf Nov 2013 #87
Much like the Bible said it, I believe it, that settles it... kentuck Nov 2013 #88
Evidence presented and Reason leads to something other than a lone gunman... kickysnana Nov 2013 #90
+100 for humor value BootinUp Nov 2013 #97
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