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polly7

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80. All I have to say, is that our national system didn't come about overnight either,

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:42 AM

Nov 2013

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and the ACA seems to be a great start. Even if it goes no further, it's still - imo, and just from what I've read here - far better than what was in place before it. I agree with most of his points on our actual HC system, but think he's being devious trying to make people think it happened all at once here, and was instantly a success for everyone. There were many bumps in the road ... it's still a work in progress and always will be.

The Fight for Medicare
Saskatchewan faces a bitter doctors' strike over Canada's first universal health care plan

http://www.cbc.ca/history/EPISCONTENTSE1EP15CH2PA4LE.html

SOCIAL MOVEMENTS
The Birth of Medicare
From Saskatchewan’s breakthrough to Canada‑wide coverage
LORNE BROWN AND DOUG TAYLOR | July 3rd 2012

http://canadiandimension.com/articles/4795/ - This article really illustrates all the players and their methods in the fight against Medicare both in Saskatchewan and all of Canada.

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Uh Oh! It's Nader: "21 Ways Why Canada's Health Care is Better."--Any DU Canadians Care to Discuss? [View all] KoKo Nov 2013 OP

Damn you Ralph!! My Corvair WAS safe. Thanks for the seat belts though Dude Autumn Nov 2013 #1

GM could easily have fixed them, as always it was a corporate decision made Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #4

In the end, all that matters are the corporations, they can afford to buy the narrative. Autumn Nov 2013 #6

"Repeal and replace" is the motto of Republicans and their asswipe allies on the left. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #2

And yet how many time have they voted to repeal, Mr.Bill Nov 2013 #31

I think your answers are 45 and ZERO! George II Nov 2013 #61

I understand you consider Ralph Nader WowSeriously Nov 2013 #46

If you intend to 'make' them repeal the ACA you are playing for geek tragedy Nov 2013 #81

I intend to "make" single payer a reality. What Republican plan do you intend to settle for next? WowSeriously Nov 2013 #87

No, I support expanding the good parts of the ACA. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #102

As is your prerogative. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #115

Show us the 'asswipes' on the left who call for that AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #84

From the OP and article: geek tragedy Nov 2013 #86

Advocating single payer makes us asswipes? Enthusiast Nov 2013 #97

No. People who prefer the ACA to the current status quo aren't calling for it to be repealed. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #101

Eeeeek! Nader! Get thee hence, Satan! LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #3

Coming soon to a website near you....NADER 2016 jessie04 Nov 2013 #5

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #7

Conservatives are not normally prone to praising the Canadian health care system Fumesucker Nov 2013 #9

"Repeal and replace" puts Nader in some pretty spiffy company. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #18

Frothy Mix, Rmoney, Orangeman and Cruz are in favor of single payer? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #21

Anyone who states ACA repeal could be followed by single payer geek tragedy Nov 2013 #23

What are the incorrect statements regarding the differences between the two systems? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #25

Kind of like asking if a dolphin can swim better than a hippo. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #85

What does that have to do with the question I asked? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #98

No, what you're not grasping is that there is no "single payer" button that one geek tragedy Nov 2013 #100

I predicted the private mandate right here in GD on Nov 19, 2008 Fumesucker Nov 2013 #131

Krugman was right all along about the mandate. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #133

If you can't afford to make use of the insurance you are forced to buy it's not really "universal" Fumesucker Nov 2013 #138

If everyone could afford to use their insurance, it would have to cost more NoOneMan Nov 2013 #139

"can't afford to make use . . ." geek tragedy Nov 2013 #140

The financial reality of an under $8.00 minumum wage and sub 30 hour work weeks Fumesucker Nov 2013 #142

2 questions.. pangaia Nov 2013 #43

Repeal and replace means repeal and nothing else. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #82

OK. pangaia Nov 2013 #112

So does Nader == Santorum? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #132

Nader and Santorum both want to screw everyone who's being helped by geek tragedy Nov 2013 #134

I thought Santorum (and now Nader) was the discharge after the screwing NoOneMan Nov 2013 #136

number 14 is wrong dsc Dec 2013 #146

This should prove amusing Fumesucker Nov 2013 #8

These threads always are, here, share my couch Autumn Nov 2013 #10

Gore/ Nader 2016 LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #14

Lieberman/Nader 2016 Fumesucker Nov 2013 #15

Beautiful. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #16

:>)))))))))))))))))))))))) pangaia Nov 2013 #44

Nader! otherone Nov 2013 #11

It all sounds good to me, of course I'm not Canadian so I only get to buy insurance. Autumn Nov 2013 #12

Isn't the ACA health care - if enough people say so truedelphi Nov 2013 #32

Health insurance is not health care. Autumn Nov 2013 #34

Totally agree. Sorry if I made the point in a confusing truedelphi Nov 2013 #123

Of course, such thoughts occurred to Nader only under a Democratic Administration. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #13

just like with Snowden! MisterP Nov 2013 #45

Snowden never had boxes in his garage during the Bush administration. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #68

and I once saw a picture of a ballerino who looked like Nader! MisterP Nov 2013 #122

Pretty sure Nader has always been a vocal supporter of a single payer system. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #50

I'm not an expert on Nader... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #54

The bidness of 'murika is bidness. Bidness must be free from governmental regulation and oversight indepat Nov 2013 #17

RW ideology in a nutshell: LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #22

That's what the insurance companies lobbyists that wrote their provisions in the ACA said...n/t jtuck004 Nov 2013 #29

If Nader was to write that "water is good"... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #19

I had a colonoscopy last week. pangaia Nov 2013 #47

I've never had the "pleasure." NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #49

Actually, its not bad at all you just...... pangaia Nov 2013 #55

I don't even want to think where you were going with that thought. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #57

Me neither. pangaia Nov 2013 #59

Let's hope they don't find out Nader breathes air. QC Nov 2013 #62

The bastard probably drives a car with airbags too. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #64

He's a big ole meanie!!! QC Nov 2013 #65

still waiting for someone to point out the inaccuracies in this list. niyad Nov 2013 #20

Their greatest hits compilation.. Fumesucker Nov 2013 #24

I don't understand..there are many VOCAL Canadian DU'ers here. I'd like to KoKo Nov 2013 #26

Now koKo, some of them are very vocal on our "health care" Autumn Nov 2013 #30

There is a Host of this Group who is very vocal and I'd hoped that He/She KoKo Nov 2013 #33

I know what you mean, KoKo. Seems like the perfect opportunity to compare the two. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #37

Only one Canadian (declared) posting...and we know there are others... KoKo Nov 2013 #69

But Canada's Thanksgiving is in October, isn't it? LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #94

I'll bite NoOneMan Nov 2013 #126

Did you not read the OP? It lists 21 stark differences Doctor_J Nov 2013 #124

Fear not! The source of this call out... er, I mean thread took the bait Number23 Nov 2013 #128

Number 2 and 21 are not strictly accurate. Monk06 Nov 2013 #27

number 21 madrchsod Nov 2013 #52

57,375 posts !!! Respecto !!!!! Monk06 Nov 2013 #99

yeah, the infant is usually covered under the mother's plan laundry_queen Nov 2013 #91

I lost my card NoOneMan Nov 2013 #127

Why are you assuming there are significant inaccuracies NoOneMan Nov 2013 #129

I didn't think I would have to explain it to anyone. as has been pointed out elsewhere in this niyad Nov 2013 #141

False ProSense Nov 2013 #28

LOL, "this asshole" wants single payer. Count me in. and about 75% of posters here! n-t Logical Nov 2013 #40

Really? Well, ProSense Nov 2013 #41

I don't agree that Nader is aligning himself with RW assholes at all. pangaia Nov 2013 #51

Medicaid eligibility TexasBushwhacker Nov 2013 #66

Similar ProSense Nov 2013 #107

Good to know TexasBushwhacker Dec 2013 #145

Medicaid expansion is doing great things in Democratic States, but not in the States of the Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #103

What? ProSense Nov 2013 #106

"the poor pay a larger share of their income for health care than the affluent" NoOneMan Nov 2013 #130

we are frequent travelers to Canada - the latest trip a little over a month ago DrDan Nov 2013 #35

Same with me, I ask a lot also. They love it. And how many want Aetna up there to replace.... Logical Nov 2013 #39

An Norway, and Denmark, and Finland, and the UK pangaia Nov 2013 #53

I can't wait to hear from Sid. rug Nov 2013 #36

He prefers for profit insurance over his health care (judging by his posts) with only one caveat, Dragonfli Nov 2013 #76

One Canadian tourist practically shouted to me "Obamacare is NEVER going to work!" ErikJ Nov 2013 #38

Mr. Nader is right I came to Canada in 72 and have had two children born here joelz Nov 2013 #42

this was discussed here several years ago about the canadian system madrchsod Nov 2013 #48

Also laundry_queen Nov 2013 #72

I remember in the 80's during Reagan there were News Stories about KoKo Nov 2013 #74

thanks for the info. madrchsod Nov 2013 #137

Number 8 and Number 14 are false...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #56

Could you elaborate please? nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #58

... QC Nov 2013 #92

Cost is not controlled at 10%... SidDithers Nov 2013 #108

Gotcha, thanks. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #110

I've never seen the OHP before NoOneMan Nov 2013 #135

i got into a conversation with a canadian a couple of weeks ago. that person told me that if a locdlib Nov 2013 #60

The knee replacement thing is variable. laundry_queen Nov 2013 #70

My grandma waited about 6 months to get knee replacement surgery, and that's in the US... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #116

Several inaccuracies, to varying degrees: JBoy Nov 2013 #63

Thanks...was looking for discussion from those who live in Canada... KoKo Nov 2013 #67

re: What you said about #8 laundry_queen Nov 2013 #71

Fairly accurate. laundry_queen Nov 2013 #73

Thanks for your experience on this. I still haven't found US Plan for Dental KoKo Nov 2013 #75

I love NHS and will happily pay more to make sure everyone is covered. Including non-citizens. idwiyo Nov 2013 #77

One Canadian input quakerboy Nov 2013 #78

Several other States will join Vermont, but ACA does not allow Vermont or any State to create Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #105

Something is better than nothing. Especially if the future promises improvement quakerboy Nov 2013 #143

how long has canada been at it? ACA hasnt even officially started yet and he is comparing seabeyond Nov 2013 #79

All I have to say, is that our national system didn't come about overnight either, polly7 Nov 2013 #80

Number 22: Because of the idiot who ran on the Green Ticket in 2000 and gave us 8 years Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #83

Ignoring the fact the Gore actually won Florida but failed to call for a statewide recount WowSeriously Nov 2013 #88

Correct on all points except one word. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #89

The reason I don't include Nader as one of the reasons Al Gore lost WowSeriously Nov 2013 #114

Nader is wrong about repeal. ACA provides for state single payer in 2017 eridani Nov 2013 #90

So then why demand that States spend millions during the interim? Why not let us have single Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #104

This article from 2009 gives a good explanation: Raine1967 Nov 2013 #111

The New Yorker article is interesting read now that ACA is finally KoKo Nov 2013 #119

I thought so as well. Knowing how other countries health plans developed Raine1967 Nov 2013 #121

A diverse, North American nation can be progressive. Thanks, Canada. n/t pampango Nov 2013 #93

Found this on DU from 2009: Raine1967 Nov 2013 #95

No to repeal. Just shift over. I can't afford my grandfathered policy for even one more year. mmonk Nov 2013 #96

Of course he's right. CanSocDem Nov 2013 #109

Well that was guaranteed to get a lot of response, lol. LWolf Nov 2013 #113

What? progressoid Nov 2013 #117

There's a one room cabin in a deep, impenetrable forest. gulliver Nov 2013 #118

repeal and replace...where have i heard that before? spanone Nov 2013 #120

I completely agree with Nader adieu Nov 2013 #125

"Raine1967" at #111 with the Link from the New Yorker KoKo Nov 2013 #144