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socialist_n_TN

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8. One thing he gets very well here, although he doesn't say it outright......
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 11:45 AM
Nov 2013

Class war is a war BECAUSE it's a zero-sum game. When bosses win, workers lose and vice versa. The bosses realize this and always have. It's time the workers realized it too.

That's why the Dems and the "business union" model of labor relations will never work consistently and over the long term. You can't be all things to all people. You can't be a political party that can be for workers and for the bosses too. You can't run a union on the basis of helping workers AND helping bosses. It only works (and really never works very well) on a temporary basis during the good times. When the inevitable crash comes (part of the capitalist system), any gains are snatched back.

The owners understand this, but will cynically use the good intentions of these "win/win" believers to beat workers and keep the upper hand in the class war. They always have and always will. The sooner the working class understands this, the sooner we'll see the answers involved in actually WINNING the class war.

AutoChomskyDURec KG Nov 2013 #1
Excellent article. k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #2
Can't find much in there to disagree with. Minimum wage with no benefits is the new Flatulo Nov 2013 #3
He pretty well nails it. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #4
Okay DUers, from now on its "working class" not "middle class", say it everywhere. nt MrYikes Nov 2013 #5
Revolutionary socialist here. Been using working class all along....... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #6
I've always hated the term "middle class" hfojvt Nov 2013 #7
I've referred to myself and my peers as working class for some time now. Should be said with pride Populist_Prole Nov 2013 #19
One thing he gets very well here, although he doesn't say it outright...... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #8
but is it really ZERO sum? hfojvt Nov 2013 #11
Anecdotal evidence doesn't take away from the systemic rules........ socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #12
it provides an example hfojvt Nov 2013 #13
This might be an "agree to disagree" moment..... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #14
but even our oligopoly capitalism is not designed that way hfojvt Nov 2013 #18
Although I do agree with the argument that capitalism is a war truedelphi Nov 2013 #17
I note the way Chomsky bashes unions here hfojvt Nov 2013 #9
Yep. That's called an "aristocracy of labor" (I'm sure you knew that)......... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #10
And in this regard, they deserve a bashing or two. Unions are great when they work, Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #15
Chomsky Has it Right colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #16
We saw Moyers last night too PasadenaTrudy Nov 2013 #21
Great article. Thank you. emsimon33 Nov 2013 #20
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