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62. Questioning Hillary's honesty does not constitute trashing.

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 11:02 AM

Nov 2013

Either we can trust her with our future, and the future of the nation, or not. Many of us say not. You wish to characterize it as trashing. But the middle class cannot survive another mistake. Anyone that has the slightest whiff of Third Way is disqualified.

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Is Elizabeth Warren a progressive? [View all] BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 OP

No matter what the "degree of true progressive" Warren is, the important thing to me is that djean111 Nov 2013 #1

I very much like the Warren Wing concept. BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #3

Warren will have the same difficulty changing things as Obama has. Whisp Nov 2013 #40

She seems to be. I'm sure I will disagree with some of her positions, statements, and actions, Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #2

Saw a lengthy talk of her about the collapse of the middle class BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #6

Indeed. The perception that if you aren't on the streets you are comfortably Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #21

Indeed. Belgium is the number one country in using taxes to make society more equal (+that vid LINK BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #27

I have watched that video a number of times, Curmudgeoness Nov 2013 #41

Thank you for this, I'll be watching it tonight. I am fairly shocked to learn Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #46

It is shocking. Especially thinking what has to happen before a parent does that. BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #48

She's progressive enough for me. Laelth Nov 2013 #4

Great info Laelth. However, unless I'm reading that site wrong, what we have is BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #11

You're right. Laelth Nov 2013 #13

I don't know if she describes herself or claims the label of progressive, but I sure the hell mother earth Nov 2013 #5

did a search on "Elizabeth Warren calls herself a progressive" BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #14

TY, BMC, I knew it in my heart, now confirmed. mother earth Nov 2013 #17

Good catch. Thanks for posting. Laelth Nov 2013 #33

I share your sentiments. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #59

Well... MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #7

TY, Manny, very telling...I'm off to listen in. nt mother earth Nov 2013 #18

That's a very hard vote on an issue that should concern us all BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #30

Elizabeth Warren supports Hillary Clinton...Hillary Clinton isn't a progressive... brooklynite Nov 2013 #8

First of all I believe that the facts of life are that when a president gets to the WH rhett o rick Nov 2013 #9

You have to wonder then, if the "facts" have the power to render a US president kinda powerless BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #19

This wouldn't surprise me in the least. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #25

I believe it's close to that but it's probably not necessary to go that far. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #29

She's important because of what she represents lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #10

I don't think its productive to have purity or litmus tests. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #12

Thanks for the thoughful response. I didn't aim for any purity test, just pointing out my lack BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #16

Np ... I liked your OP JoePhilly Nov 2013 #20

"So we have to both play the game, and change it." BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #24

Litmus tests are absolutely necessary if we are to restore the American middle class. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #60

If no one thinks trashing Hillary is a good way to help Warren ... JoePhilly Nov 2013 #61

Questioning Hillary's honesty does not constitute trashing. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #62

Its trashing, pure and simple. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #63

I like to think of her as a liberal! ananda Nov 2013 #15

I think on economic issues, she is definitely progressive, Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #22

Yes, that's exactly my kind of problem. As a largely unwilling recipient of US foreign policy BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #44

Relative to how the center has been zentrum Nov 2013 #23

she TALKS a good game wyldwolf Nov 2013 #26

Did you mean to imply she doesn't or won't walk that talk BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #35

She hasn't faced the political reality of governing wyldwolf Nov 2013 #37

What is a "true progressive"? ElboRuum Nov 2013 #28

Good question. I could have asked a more general question, and had "liberal" in there at one point BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #34

Yes, I do feel qualified. ElboRuum Nov 2013 #39

Well, I'm not much interested in an A vs B debate myself BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #43

Elizabeth Warren belongs to the Common Sense Party. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #31

SHE BETTER THAN MOST, 4SURE. citizenbfk Nov 2013 #32

I believe she'll be urging all of us to focus on 2014 Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #36

You got a great discussion going emsimon33 Nov 2013 #38

You win the thread for singling out empathy BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #50

Well I want to believe...and I do. zeemike Nov 2013 #42

OP poses an excellent question dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #45

"I'd like to know more about her positions on other things. Federal marijuana policy, for one." BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #49

Thanks for that info dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #51

Center-left, but not Progressive. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #47

"She's already bought the "we can't let Iran have nuclear anything" hook, line, and sinker." BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #53

Here is a link to her positions during her Senate run: WowSeriously Nov 2013 #54

Very good points. BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #55

Thanks. Sometimes I come off as nutty. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #56

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #52

I know very little about Warren's background and political stances, and am trying to find more lumpy Nov 2013 #57

I don't know all of Elizabeth's positions, but I do know .... Scuba Nov 2013 #58