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In reply to the discussion: Uh Oh! It's Nader: "21 Ways Why Canada's Health Care is Better."--Any DU Canadians Care to Discuss? [View all]Raine1967
(11,677 posts)111. This article from 2009 gives a good explanation:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/01/26/090126fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all
The entire article is worth the read. This part in particular sort of explains why waiting until 2017 makes sense.
The entire article is worth the read. This part in particular sort of explains why waiting until 2017 makes sense.
Yes, American health care is an appallingly patched-together ship, with rotting timbers, water leaking in, mercenaries on board, and fifteen per cent of the passengers thrown over the rails just to keep it afloat. But hundreds of millions of people depend on it. The system provides more than thirty-five million hospital stays a year, sixty-four million surgical procedures, nine hundred million office visits, three and a half billion prescriptions. It represents a sixth of our economy. There is no dry-docking health care for a few months, or even for an afternoon, while we rebuild it. Grand plans admit no possibility of mistakes or failures, or the chance to learn from them. If we get things wrong, people will die. This doesnt mean that ambitious reform is beyond us. But we have to start with what we have.
That kind of constraint isnt unique to the health-care system. A century ago, the modern phone system was built on a structure that came to be called the P.S.T.N., the Public Switched Telephone Network. This automated system connects our phone calls twenty-four hours a day, and over time it has had to be upgraded. But you cant turn off the phone system and do a reboot. Its too critical to too many. So engineers have had to add on one patch after another.
The P.S.T.N. is probably the shaggiest, most convoluted system around; it contains tens of millions of lines of software code. Given a chance for a do-over, no self-respecting engineer would create anything remotely like it. Yet this jerry-rigged system has provided us with 911 emergency service, voice mail, instant global connectivity, mobile-phone lines, and the transformation from analog to digital communication. It has also been fantastically reliable, designed to have as little as two hours of total downtime every forty years. As a system that cant be turned off, the P.S.T.N. may be the ultimate in path-dependence. But that hasnt prevented dramatic change. The structure may not have undergone revolution; the way it functions has. The P.S.T.N. has made the twenty-first century possible.
That kind of constraint isnt unique to the health-care system. A century ago, the modern phone system was built on a structure that came to be called the P.S.T.N., the Public Switched Telephone Network. This automated system connects our phone calls twenty-four hours a day, and over time it has had to be upgraded. But you cant turn off the phone system and do a reboot. Its too critical to too many. So engineers have had to add on one patch after another.
The P.S.T.N. is probably the shaggiest, most convoluted system around; it contains tens of millions of lines of software code. Given a chance for a do-over, no self-respecting engineer would create anything remotely like it. Yet this jerry-rigged system has provided us with 911 emergency service, voice mail, instant global connectivity, mobile-phone lines, and the transformation from analog to digital communication. It has also been fantastically reliable, designed to have as little as two hours of total downtime every forty years. As a system that cant be turned off, the P.S.T.N. may be the ultimate in path-dependence. But that hasnt prevented dramatic change. The structure may not have undergone revolution; the way it functions has. The P.S.T.N. has made the twenty-first century possible.
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Uh Oh! It's Nader: "21 Ways Why Canada's Health Care is Better."--Any DU Canadians Care to Discuss? [View all]
KoKo
Nov 2013
OP
GM could easily have fixed them, as always it was a corporate decision made
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2013
#4
In the end, all that matters are the corporations, they can afford to buy the narrative.
Autumn
Nov 2013
#6
"Repeal and replace" is the motto of Republicans and their asswipe allies on the left. nt
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#2
I intend to "make" single payer a reality. What Republican plan do you intend to settle for next?
WowSeriously
Nov 2013
#87
No. People who prefer the ACA to the current status quo aren't calling for it to be repealed.
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#101
Conservatives are not normally prone to praising the Canadian health care system
Fumesucker
Nov 2013
#9
What are the incorrect statements regarding the differences between the two systems?
Fumesucker
Nov 2013
#25
No, what you're not grasping is that there is no "single payer" button that one
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#100
If you can't afford to make use of the insurance you are forced to buy it's not really "universal"
Fumesucker
Nov 2013
#138
The financial reality of an under $8.00 minumum wage and sub 30 hour work weeks
Fumesucker
Nov 2013
#142
It all sounds good to me, of course I'm not Canadian so I only get to buy insurance.
Autumn
Nov 2013
#12
Of course, such thoughts occurred to Nader only under a Democratic Administration.
WinkyDink
Nov 2013
#13
Snowden never had boxes in his garage during the Bush administration.
DisgustipatedinCA
Nov 2013
#68
Pretty sure Nader has always been a vocal supporter of a single payer system. nt
eqfan592
Nov 2013
#50
The bidness of 'murika is bidness. Bidness must be free from governmental regulation and oversight
indepat
Nov 2013
#17
That's what the insurance companies lobbyists that wrote their provisions in the ACA said...n/t
jtuck004
Nov 2013
#29
I know what you mean, KoKo. Seems like the perfect opportunity to compare the two.
LuvNewcastle
Nov 2013
#37
I didn't think I would have to explain it to anyone. as has been pointed out elsewhere in this
niyad
Nov 2013
#141
LOL, "this asshole" wants single payer. Count me in. and about 75% of posters here! n-t
Logical
Nov 2013
#40
Medicaid expansion is doing great things in Democratic States, but not in the States of the
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2013
#103
"the poor pay a larger share of their income for health care than the affluent"
NoOneMan
Nov 2013
#130
Same with me, I ask a lot also. They love it. And how many want Aetna up there to replace....
Logical
Nov 2013
#39
He prefers for profit insurance over his health care (judging by his posts) with only one caveat,
Dragonfli
Nov 2013
#76
One Canadian tourist practically shouted to me "Obamacare is NEVER going to work!"
ErikJ
Nov 2013
#38
i got into a conversation with a canadian a couple of weeks ago. that person told me that if a
locdlib
Nov 2013
#60
My grandma waited about 6 months to get knee replacement surgery, and that's in the US...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2013
#116
I love NHS and will happily pay more to make sure everyone is covered. Including non-citizens.
idwiyo
Nov 2013
#77
Several other States will join Vermont, but ACA does not allow Vermont or any State to create
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2013
#105
Something is better than nothing. Especially if the future promises improvement
quakerboy
Nov 2013
#143
how long has canada been at it? ACA hasnt even officially started yet and he is comparing
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#79
All I have to say, is that our national system didn't come about overnight either,
polly7
Nov 2013
#80
Number 22: Because of the idiot who ran on the Green Ticket in 2000 and gave us 8 years
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#83
Ignoring the fact the Gore actually won Florida but failed to call for a statewide recount
WowSeriously
Nov 2013
#88
So then why demand that States spend millions during the interim? Why not let us have single
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2013
#104