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MineralMan

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18. What you believe is what you believe.

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 04:27 PM

Nov 2013

That's none of my business, really. For myself, belief is based on evidence. It always has been. Speculation isn't part of my life, frankly. Either someone shows me that things are not what they are described to be or I'm not buying it. In all of the situations I listed, I've seen a great deal of evidence that supports the current accepted explanation. I don't believe that UFOs from other worlds have visited Earth. I don't believe that 9/11 happened in any other way than what I observed for myself as it happened. I believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald, and that we will not know his motivations for doing so, since he is dead. I believe Elvis is dead.

I've seen the evidence that supports each of those things. People's speculations about them that are based on some sort of "secret-keeping" are not convincing. Sorry. You might think differently, and that's fine with me. I'm just making my point here. You needn't accept it. I'm just a DUer here.

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The key to most conspiracy theories comes down to one statement: [View all] MineralMan Nov 2013 OP

In more concise form... Scootaloo Nov 2013 #1

Exactly. MineralMan Nov 2013 #3

That can be said about religion also. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #15

And it often is said. MineralMan Nov 2013 #21

A reason I take neither seriously Scootaloo Nov 2013 #39

Wisdom. MineralMan Nov 2013 #45

No arguments there Major Nikon Nov 2013 #83

And anything that disproves a conspiracy is further evidence of the existence of a conspiracy Empowerer Nov 2013 #71

Problem is: "The government is keeping secrets and won't give us the truth"... polichick Nov 2013 #2

So nothing. MineralMan Nov 2013 #4

It's simple. You don't trust people (or an org/entity) that you have found... polichick Nov 2013 #8

Actually, I do trust unless I am proven to be incorrect with MineralMan Nov 2013 #11

I take everything the gov't says with a big grain of salt... polichick Nov 2013 #16

What you believe is what you believe. MineralMan Nov 2013 #18

What "evidence" - whatever is shoveled out for public consumption? polichick Nov 2013 #20

We seem to have reached an impasse here. MineralMan Nov 2013 #23

In other words, you got nothin' - no worries. polichick Nov 2013 #29

How about the 'West Memphis 3'... Blanks Nov 2013 #66

The same people who question anything the government says have no problem cashing in stopbush Nov 2013 #32

Easy to determine if the check is good - just cash it... polichick Nov 2013 #40

Just as it's easy to determine if forensic evidence is good, like that of the JFK case. stopbush Nov 2013 #82

Ya mean the evidence that was shown to the public - or the evidence... polichick Nov 2013 #88

The Surgeon General Has Determined... jberryhill Nov 2013 #87

trust is valuable.... wildbilln864 Nov 2013 #89

WMD are near Tikrit and east, west, north and south Bandit Nov 2013 #93

That's part of the problem TBS... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #5

And that is why the Creative Speculation Group on DU exists. MineralMan Nov 2013 #6

Fine by me... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #7

The GD SOP has not changed. MineralMan Nov 2013 #9

So you want to stifle discussion about things that bother you. polichick Nov 2013 #22

How does that follow. DU isn't my site. I didn't design it, nor do MineralMan Nov 2013 #25

You posted: "And that is why the Creative Speculation Group on DU exists"... polichick Nov 2013 #28

Does that group not exist? MineralMan Nov 2013 #31

Since 60% of Americans don't buy the official story... polichick Nov 2013 #34

Poll results are not evidence of much of anything. MineralMan Nov 2013 #37

It's an indication of interest - which is why it belongs in GD. polichick Nov 2013 #43

That's not up to me. It's not my website. MineralMan Nov 2013 #47

Since the posts have been allowed to stay in GD, I guess the ptb are cool with it. polichick Nov 2013 #51

For now, due to the anniversary. MineralMan Nov 2013 #53

I'm with you... JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #30

There's also a lot of corruption - favors to corporations that hurt people... polichick Nov 2013 #10

Or, one can simply click "hide thread." ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #12

That's not one of the DU tools I use. That and Ignore. MineralMan Nov 2013 #13

I would do that, instead of getting upset about allowing JFK threads on the 50th ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #14

Yes - God forbid they catch a glimpse of something that upsets their comfortable view of things! polichick Nov 2013 #17

The comfortable view of the JFK murder is that it was a conspiracy. stopbush Nov 2013 #36

In a way, you're right. The people who accept the gov't's story seem awfully uncomfortable about it. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2013 #59

And in a way, you're right. The people who believe the evidence in the case stopbush Nov 2013 #81

But, you see, I'm not angry about anything. So, why would I hide any thread? MineralMan Nov 2013 #19

It seems as if you are upset enough to post about it. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #24

Upset? No. Interested in Conspiracy Theories? Yes. MineralMan Nov 2013 #26

Then, since you find it interesting, GD is a great place for it, ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #27

JFK conspiracy theories were not the subject of my post. MineralMan Nov 2013 #33

"That's why conspiracy theories belong in that group, and not in GD, in my opinion." ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #35

"The government is keeping secrets and won't give us the truth." NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #38

Damn. They got to you, too (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #41

LOL! MineralMan Nov 2013 #42

And therefore, if you have a government that increasingly hides everything, then EVERYTHING... cascadiance Nov 2013 #44

Yah...I'm not sure your logic follows there...nt MineralMan Nov 2013 #46

Well, if you have many denying that the NSA gathers everything, and then later it is shown... cascadiance Nov 2013 #55

I know the other five Aerows Nov 2013 #48

That it was accidentally shot down during a Navy training exercise by accident. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #49

Oh, wow Aerows Nov 2013 #52

You can Google it. It's another CT thing. MineralMan Nov 2013 #50

Thanks for the link Aerows Nov 2013 #54

I personally believe Oswald acted alone. But a lot of mainsteam and very sensible people don't see Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #56

+1 ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #57

The CTs are fun Aerows Nov 2013 #58

Another good argument for government transparency MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #60

You cannot fix problems you do not admit you have. kickysnana Nov 2013 #61

+100 truebluegreen Nov 2013 #78

You are not being logical RobertEarl Nov 2013 #62

What does he think about JFK's assassination? Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #63

IDK, OC RobertEarl Nov 2013 #64

this link was an eye opener questionseverything Nov 2013 #67

The government did release some stuff at one point treestar Nov 2013 #65

Completely Disagree colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #68

Yep. The desperate efforts to shut up anybody who points out discrepancies in the "official" GoneFishin Nov 2013 #76

One would think that after 50 years of investigation, solid evidence would have been found... Kaleva Nov 2013 #84

They haven't done a good job of covering it up. But only half of us noticed. n/t GoneFishin Nov 2013 #92

Yet none the wreckage supports a warhead impact and explosion hack89 Nov 2013 #95

When you see a flagrant cover-up, you may reasonably assume you're being lied to CrawlingChaos Nov 2013 #69

By definition, it cannot be a conspiracy theory without conspirators. Coyotl Nov 2013 #70

I don't disagree. But one thing I am also realizing BootinUp Nov 2013 #72

Manufacturers Claim Asbestos is Perfectly Safe. Whisp Nov 2013 #73

Of course our government is obsessed with secrecy and likes to lock files for decades and say Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #74

My philosophy is "Question everything," Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #75

+1 And that, of course, is how governments SHOULD be treated. woo me with science Nov 2013 #79

You conveniently left out.. sendero Nov 2013 #77

Like the myths of WMDs in Iraq...or was that just a little mistake? joeunderdog Nov 2013 #94

things are not always what they seem KT2000 Nov 2013 #80

Or to put it yet another way: Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #85

DU was founded on the widely popular *belief* that GWB stole the 2000 election. pacalo Nov 2013 #86

+1 nt laundry_queen Nov 2013 #90

Iraq has WMD. That was a conspiracy, not a theory, right? grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #91