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hfojvt

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18. but even our oligopoly capitalism is not designed that way
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 05:30 PM
Nov 2013

you say "to the capitalists". Well, who is a capitalist? Some 19 million people have their own business, which, often, like my own two businesses, does not make that much money.

But workers are sometimes working for very small concerns. Three or four people probably work for my brother in law. Four or five people work at my dentists office. Across the country that amounts to hundreds of thousands of workers. And there are many different levels of government jobs that workers can get.

So I don't see how you divide the world into "workers" and "owners", and then speak about what the owners "know".

Since the economy continues to grow, it is certainly NOT a zero sum game. However, it is true, even in a positive sum game (where the pot, like in our economy) is growing, one person or one group can try to snatch up all the gains for themselves, but still with a growin pot, it is possible for both sides to gain. That isn't true with a stable or shrinking pot.

And in some ways, we as worker/consumers are gaining/have gained. For one, we have many more consumer items. And for two, we do have better working conditions. I doubt if my grandfather's factory had any kind of air conditioning, for example. My first two jobs did NOT have "smoke free" workplaces.

I just think it is too cynical to give up and say "it MUST be a war".

But you are right in that, to a large degree, the OTHER side, insofar as there is one, is fighting it. I say we flex our muscles and bloody their nose until they realize it's a battle that they do not want.

AutoChomskyDURec KG Nov 2013 #1
Excellent article. k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #2
Can't find much in there to disagree with. Minimum wage with no benefits is the new Flatulo Nov 2013 #3
He pretty well nails it. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #4
Okay DUers, from now on its "working class" not "middle class", say it everywhere. nt MrYikes Nov 2013 #5
Revolutionary socialist here. Been using working class all along....... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #6
I've always hated the term "middle class" hfojvt Nov 2013 #7
I've referred to myself and my peers as working class for some time now. Should be said with pride Populist_Prole Nov 2013 #19
One thing he gets very well here, although he doesn't say it outright...... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #8
but is it really ZERO sum? hfojvt Nov 2013 #11
Anecdotal evidence doesn't take away from the systemic rules........ socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #12
it provides an example hfojvt Nov 2013 #13
This might be an "agree to disagree" moment..... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #14
but even our oligopoly capitalism is not designed that way hfojvt Nov 2013 #18
Although I do agree with the argument that capitalism is a war truedelphi Nov 2013 #17
I note the way Chomsky bashes unions here hfojvt Nov 2013 #9
Yep. That's called an "aristocracy of labor" (I'm sure you knew that)......... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #10
And in this regard, they deserve a bashing or two. Unions are great when they work, Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #15
Chomsky Has it Right colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #16
We saw Moyers last night too PasadenaTrudy Nov 2013 #21
Great article. Thank you. emsimon33 Nov 2013 #20
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