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trof

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70. It is insane. I support Localvores!

Reply to Heddi (Reply #45)

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 08:16 PM

Nov 2013

Buy local.
Eat local.
Whenever you can.

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The average 18 wheeler loaded at 80,000 lbs gets about 7 miles per gallon. [View all] livingwagenow Nov 2013 OP

Let's localize and kill the international behemoth corporations. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #1

Roger that. The 2000 mile potatoes: trof Nov 2013 #2

Perfect example of shipping food that used to be grown locally. livingwagenow Nov 2013 #3

When I was in New Mexico last year brer cat Nov 2013 #16

Yup. I lived in Yakima, WA for years. Apple Capitol of the WOrld Heddi Nov 2013 #45

It is insane. I support Localvores! trof Nov 2013 #70

When I was in England and Italy thecrow Nov 2013 #4

Things move by rail, mostly Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #26

A little off-topic, but Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #36

One and the same, yes Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #46

Actually, the UK (and the EU) uses rail far less than the USA muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #44

Thank you. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #52

And you were sitting in my car.... where? thecrow Nov 2013 #62

LOL...yeah...sure. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #65

Nope. Didn't see that. thecrow Nov 2013 #69

I'm sure distance has something to do with that... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #61

It's a self limiting. sendero Nov 2013 #5

We may have to learn to eat fruits and vegatables 'in season' again. trof Nov 2013 #12

Frozen bagged vegetables may have a smaller carbon footprint than fresh at a farmer's market FarCenter Nov 2013 #6

That's pretty damn good actually Rstrstx Nov 2013 #7

i was thinking the same thing dembotoz Nov 2013 #14

Yup. cthulu2016 Nov 2013 #29

Great post dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #8

Willie Nelson gets it ... Scuba Nov 2013 #9

I guess it depends on how you look at it. Glassunion Nov 2013 #10

Hybrid diesels can do 12 MPG. karadax Nov 2013 #11

It's not just a matter of investing...it's how to get them on the road... cynatnite Nov 2013 #20

The truckers I've talked to say the same thing about bigger engines getting Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #35

How well do these Hybrid diesels scale up to be able to haul 80,000 lb truck cross country? RC Nov 2013 #58

Train engines are hybrid diesels. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #64

Actually, no they are not. RC Nov 2013 #66

People disagree on this point, but after doing some research, I think you're right. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #68

Similar to pre-nuclear submarine technology. I understand Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #72

We're doing our part... bvar22 Nov 2013 #13

7 mpg is very generous. 4dsc Nov 2013 #15

The "range" of class 8 trucks is between 4 & 7.5 MPG A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #55

While rail cars sit idly on the tracks... tosh Nov 2013 #17

It's possible the rail cars are moved at night Not Sure Nov 2013 #33

Good point. tosh Nov 2013 #39

Shipping by rail is more fuel efficient Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2013 #18

It's also much slower than truck and can't get to the places that trucks can. n/t cynatnite Nov 2013 #21

Much of it was duplicate track laid by competing railroads... Not Sure Nov 2013 #34

Not every Class I is interested in maintaining its moneymakers. Brickbat Nov 2013 #53

You're right Not Sure Nov 2013 #56

It's shameful how bad it is. Brickbat Nov 2013 #57

I'm sorry to hear that Not Sure Nov 2013 #63

not really hfojvt Nov 2013 #54

My husband has been a truck driver for 17 years... cynatnite Nov 2013 #19

I've been in trucking for 25 years CANDO Nov 2013 #22

My husband got a truck with 3 million miles on it one time... cynatnite Nov 2013 #24

It's not trucks vs. rail, it's trucks + rail Not Sure Nov 2013 #32

The average American car gets 24 miles to the gallon. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #23

Can you cite your statistic? Agschmid Nov 2013 #27

here: Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #28

Thx. Agschmid Nov 2013 #30

I love to buy American and I look for it when I shop. I 'll pay a premium for it. badtoworse Nov 2013 #25

could large cities like NYC Revanchist Nov 2013 #31

If they were well planned yes, but none of them are so, no. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #37

Your post is a little misleading. My Freightliner's GVW was 26,000 lbs. That's JUST the tractor. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #38

Late model tractors pulling a composite dry van will scale 46,500. Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #71

A bigger problem is F-150's that get 15mpg and hold four people are flying off the shelf taught_me_patience Nov 2013 #40

MPG isn't a good metric caraher Nov 2013 #41

Agreed. That's the metric to use. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #43

a truck still has to take if from rail facility FatBuddy Nov 2013 #48

Sure caraher Nov 2013 #49

they do that for lots of goods FatBuddy Nov 2013 #50

The big picture has to involve creating different jobs caraher Nov 2013 #67

Capitalists care about one thing only - profit TBF Nov 2013 #42

if you have it FatBuddy Nov 2013 #47

In the overwhelming majority of cases. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #51

7 Gallons a Mile for That Big Thing? On the Road Nov 2013 #59

Compare that to the 4000 pound SUV carrying the 200 pound human. Archaic Nov 2013 #60