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NoOneMan

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135. I've never seen the OHP before

Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:58 PM

Nov 2013

But I wouldn't call it a copay in the traditional sense that Americans known them as, being that copays in the US are tied to health costs, and thereby, are used in the to self-rationing when facing costly procedures. This premium is actually income dependent, and seems to be much more similar to a tax. It does not seem to be tied to the actual health care delivery at all.

The structure is absolutely terrible. Someone making 200K only pays two times as much as those making 38K?

I pay a flat ~$1600 in premiums. I didn't realize those OHP rates were annual. Look, don't tell an American that has to pay 30% on a few thousand dollars of surgery, after meeting a few thousand dollar premium that your ~$400 a year premium (or whatever based on income) is a copay too. Seriously? Are you fucking kidding me?

That's not a copay.

There are also small co-pay charges for many things my doctor does

Like what? Isn't that against the Canada Health Act? A doctor should not be able to bill you for any necessary medical procedure covered under your provincial plan.

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