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renie408

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26. No, censorship is not unacceptable. We censor things all the time.

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 04:56 AM

Nov 2013

Right here on this message board we are censored all the time. Just try calling somebody an asshole. Even if they are being assholes, you will find out real quickly how this board is censored. We wear clothes whether we want to or not in public because that is what society has mandated. Hate speech is censored. All kinds of things are censored and society runs more smoothly because of it.

I want to get this straight: Rape is completely unacceptable and vile behavior. Being turned on by simulated images of completely unacceptable and vile behavior is fine and nothing the rest of us should be concerned about at all. There is no chance that some percentage of the men who find rape porn really good stuff are going to decide the next time they are told 'no' that she wants it anyway.

I guess I am saying that maybe in our rush to be tolerant and open and accepting of all things, we may want to consider whether all things are actually worthy of tolerance. I am suspicious of the mental gymnastics involved with being able to say "Rape is abhorrent and completely unacceptable, but becoming sexually aroused by images of a man forcing his penis into a struggling woman is just fine." One of these things is not like the other. There seems to me to be room to be logically cautious here.

I don't think couples role playing at home is the same thing. And that's where I start to get bogged down in my own half-formed thoughts. I don't think a couple role playing and having rough sex is somehow the same thing as enjoying images of women being raped. So maybe I need to think about it some more to see where I really land.

P.S. I am writing this on my Kindle and you would not believe some of the stuff the autocorrect came up with. Apparently Amazon does not want people to use the words 'penis' or 'rape'.

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With all the anti-pornography talk, can we have a sex positive thread? [View all] Kurska Nov 2013 OP

Well said LittleBlue Nov 2013 #1

I agree, it isn't a coincidence the most sexually violent have strict sex laws. Kurska Nov 2013 #2

I don't know that it is prudism so much as rrneck Nov 2013 #3

Might be a little of both Kurska Nov 2013 #4

True. rrneck Nov 2013 #7

So, I'm a woman and I have a daughter... renie408 Nov 2013 #11

There is nothing wrong with having mixed feelings about something like rape porn. Kurska Nov 2013 #14

Yes, no question. renie408 Nov 2013 #17

Rape is completely unacceptable, but so is censorship. Kurska Nov 2013 #20

No, censorship is not unacceptable. We censor things all the time. renie408 Nov 2013 #26

Best post in all of the rape-porn threads. n/t A Little Weird Nov 2013 #45

I would be more open to the idea of legislating censorship... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #120

porn stops rape? then we should feed our rapist porn to stop them from raping? and they seabeyond Nov 2013 #130

The fact that you (or I) don't like it isn't enough to call it harmful. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #136

are you saying, cause supposed numbers are down, porn stops rape? seabeyond Nov 2013 #137

I'm saying there's ZERO evidence to support the opposite argument. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #145

"Your argument is this: porn causes rape and therefore should be banned." ONE post. seabeyond Nov 2013 #146

Okay, then in ten words or less, what is your argument? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #155

i am gonna have to think how to stream line it in under ten words or less. lol seabeyond Nov 2013 #158

btw. out of the 6, you are the first to ask without doubling down on a false accusation seabeyond Nov 2013 #159

One problem is there seems to be a conflation of "rape porn" with "all porn" which is not nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #361

That is certainly interesting renie408 Nov 2013 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #175

Do you have a graph for that one? renie408 Nov 2013 #154

across the nation reports of downgrading and not filing reports of rape is a huge part of the seabeyond Nov 2013 #157

I don't trust tbe numbers in the posted graph, either. renie408 Nov 2013 #161

another point. date rapes. in the 70's we did not even know what date rape was. seabeyond Nov 2013 #166

Thought you were done with this thread lillypaddle Nov 2013 #182

huh? are you gonna go after me cause i decided to add something in this subthread? really? seabeyond Nov 2013 #184

"go after you?" lillypaddle Nov 2013 #192

passive aggressive.... lol. ah ha. woman. check out your posts. that would be passive aggressive seabeyond Nov 2013 #195

+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #368

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #216

lilly has been jumping on my posts for a while now.... nothing new. seabeyond Nov 2013 #219

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #223

certainly is an obsession. for sure. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #225

no, really, tell me, am i "allowed" to come in and even reply to you? seabeyond Nov 2013 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author pacalo Nov 2013 #358

Think this through. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #183

because we have a net saying 45-75% of claims are false, intimidating reporting. and cops the seabeyond Nov 2013 #188

The NCVS isn't about crime *reporting*, it's about perceived victimization. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #198

and here would be the flaws in ncvs. and this is without much work looking for issues seabeyond Nov 2013 #202

If the NCVS underestimates crime today, it did so 40 years ago too. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #226

40 yrs ago we did not even consider date rape. 40 yrs ago there was no awareness seabeyond Nov 2013 #227

So you're saying that 40 years ago NCVS underestimated even more than it does today? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #232

i am saying, what you are proposing is we are about at a zero rape rate, per your numbers. seabeyond Nov 2013 #234

The NCVS has been asking this question for 40+ years lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #245

three women standing on the porch. i ask, how many rapes. THREE rapes with one seabeyond Nov 2013 #190

Ask 77,397 more people that question and you duplicate the NCVS. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #200

wrong. and that is why i KNOW your ncvs is flawed. and sure enough. easy to find. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #204

You're absolutely right that even "relatively lower" is still too high. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #371

. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #160

I got to it. renie408 Nov 2013 #174

It is a very significant drop, though. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #258

There is a massive difference between censorship on a private message board Kurska Nov 2013 #164

What if their sexual interest is children? renie408 Nov 2013 #178

for argument's sake, let's go way, way out on the uncomfortable logical limb. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #193

2006. 8 yrs ago. when internet porn was really getting going. when studies to see that actual seabeyond Nov 2013 #199

Got a cite for this 'fact'? Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #264

There are feminists who believe that almost all coitus is coercive and violent Major Nikon Nov 2013 #510

Here's where she is getting that totally rather, er... hard to believe figure: Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #522

I must be watching the wrong porn. Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #283

There's way too much "violence and aggressiveness" in porn. I don't think many people would nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #363

I would say this needs a lot more study... renie408 Nov 2013 #327

+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #364

Children and farm animals can't consent. Kurska Nov 2013 #221

So, as long as it is simulated child porn or farm animal sex renie408 Nov 2013 #320

Yeah, how dare someone be ambivalent about wank-off material that realistically depicts nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #365

hence why I think both child and beastality pronography should be outlawed. deafskeptic Nov 2013 #508

excellent post. well said. thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #212

"I think we can all agree though... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #19

That's not true gollygee Nov 2013 #125

Those who produce consensual "simulations" need to more clearly differentiate their product nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #353

The question isnt whether there is nasty negative stuff out there, for sure there is. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #18

Oh, I don't care if the adults in the rape porn are consenting. renie408 Nov 2013 #23

I don't think a coherent definition of "rape porn" has emerged. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #24

Which leads.me.to.wonder... renie408 Nov 2013 #27

I'm perfectly happy to admit that I've seen some porn in my lifetime. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #29

It could also quite possibly go the other way Major Nikon Nov 2013 #28

"I kind of wonder about WHY that would be your cup of tea" rrneck Nov 2013 #165

That was a generic 'you', not a specific 'you'. renie408 Nov 2013 #170

Ah, all good. rrneck Nov 2013 #187

I am male ... Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #205

When folks are continually incapable of arguing against CONSENTING ADULT behavior without Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #5

Here here! NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #10

To which, the response to your post would go something like this: Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #13

If a lot of the posters were being honest... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #16

I'm just waiting for the usual suspects to come out and... DRoseDARs Nov 2013 #30

I think there is a small but vocal minority on DU that are using the cover of Feminism to promote Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #36

+1000 RC Nov 2013 #113

Dear god I am saving your post. You put it so succintly! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #168

amen!! lillypaddle Nov 2013 #189

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. HappyMe Nov 2013 #201

Or being told that we obviously don't get it. Sissyk Nov 2013 #329

Rule #1 xulamaude Nov 2013 #243

Are you trying to tell me All Women, Everywhere are innocent of misogyny? RC Nov 2013 #251

Nope. nt xulamaude Nov 2013 #255

Yup. HappyMe Nov 2013 #259

Perhaps I should elaborate - xulamaude Nov 2013 #271

I seem to recall a poster whose pet phrase Union Scribe Nov 2013 #379

Yup, I remember her as well maddezmom Nov 2013 #381

Bye bye life (and all that jazz) xulamaude Nov 2013 #386

Indeed LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #389

Precisely. It's not that women don't participate in their own repression - sure they do - nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #564

+1 BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #314

Seriously? Are you really blaming hatred of, and violence against, women on "pseudo-feminists"? nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #562

Yes they can, for the reason already explained. RC Nov 2013 #568

But it seems like you're almost - not quite, but almost - blaming women themselves for abuse. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #575

No. Only a few women. RC Nov 2013 #577

Okay, fair enough. Thanks for clarifying a bit. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #579

I sometimes can be clearer too. RC Nov 2013 #580

Sure, I get that. It's kind of a built-in hazard of Internet communication. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #582

Or maybe it's because people aren't listening to them at home and their daily lives. nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #208

I looked to see who voted in this poll. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #49

not a single pm. it is the stupidest damn OP yet ont he subject. oh... lets all talk about sex seabeyond Nov 2013 #51

not a single pm? Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #53

ya. right dude. play games? whatever... seabeyond Nov 2013 #54

A lot of people think very highly of themselves here. EOTE Nov 2013 #97

Nope. gollygee Nov 2013 #215

Right, that would be obsessive. Like setting up an off-site board to coordinate with banned members Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #331

I haven't seen anything like that gollygee Nov 2013 #335

Try plugging these three words into google: Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #338

You mean there's more than one Overlordess? xulamaude Nov 2013 #342

I don't know what you mean Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #343

Thanks for the welcome. nt xulamaude Nov 2013 #350

Eye opening maddezmom Nov 2013 #345

Indeed. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #348

Well I am more of a Pilates freak and walker/hiker maddezmom Nov 2013 #354

Yeah, I don't ever seem to get bored these days. I always have way more projects I'd like to Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #355

OK, well that's the first I've seen it gollygee Nov 2013 #356

It's okay, they didn't invite me either. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #359

You..... You've got a gift, my friend... opiate69 Nov 2013 #479

And, a special purpose. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #480

Lmao! opiate69 Nov 2013 #482

That was weird enough to tempt me to do it eridani Nov 2013 #526

Someone once said that "Character is what you do when you think no one is looking" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #528

Because, yeah, it's simply not possible that women xulamaude Nov 2013 #334

I'VE HAD IT WITH MEN!!! Skittles Nov 2013 #6

How the hell do you manage your schedule, Skittles? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #15

If you kick enough ass, you have time for anything. n/t A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #21

easy: chronic insomniac Skittles Nov 2013 #25

I thought you looked familiar. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #32

/Thread winner Dash87 Nov 2013 #305

it's a Skittles classic, Dash87 Skittles Nov 2013 #311

... RainDog Nov 2013 #336

LOL Skittles Nov 2013 #372

Dinah Washington RainDog Nov 2013 #432

I miss The Far Side...... neverforget Nov 2013 #501

lulz...nt Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #566

Feminist science fiction author Joanna Russ once said eridani Nov 2013 #8

Good quote. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #9

Exactly, pornography is, at best. a very poor substitute. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #210

People shouldn't extrapolate from the American porn industry to porn in general. redgreenandblue Nov 2013 #12

Very true Fearless Nov 2013 #22

"all sex is rape" ONE post where anyone on du has said "all sex is rape". ONE. just ONE. seabeyond Nov 2013 #46

Alice Schwarzer: "heterosexual sex involves inevitable subjugation of women" redgreenandblue Nov 2013 #96

well, since that "crowd" is so very very small and i do not even hear them, golly, and certainly not seabeyond Nov 2013 #98

I assure you, my post was not intended as a personal attack against you or any other Duer. redgreenandblue Nov 2013 #248

Like I said, putting words in your (and others') mouths. I suppose both "sides" do that sort nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #405

I have nothing against sex as long as it doesn't Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #31

"Your wife was just showing us her Klimt" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #33

i am not against sex - but I do think it is overrated Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #34

That's sort of how I feel about Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #35

then you are doing something wrong, once you find your kink, fetish etc then it becomes. wow loli phabay Nov 2013 #72

I have been there and done that and I have seen through the illusion Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #100

Maybe you just haven't de-personalized it enough. PassingFair Nov 2013 #128

you're probably right - i have always had this weird, kinky tendency of associating sex with Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #141

I find that "sex positive"!! PassingFair Nov 2013 #240

To each their own. Different people have different ideas (and ideals) RE: "intimacy." nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #409

I don't think we should be accusing anyone of doing it "wrong" Xithras Nov 2013 #207

it was more in humour post than a chastisement, but point taken loli phabay Nov 2013 #519

You might be doing it wrong then. bluesbassman Nov 2013 #516

that's a pretty arrogant thing to say. Some mature to a point where they recognize that somethings Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #534

"like many if not most things in life - it is just over rated"... bluesbassman Nov 2013 #549

Quite the contrary. It's called accepting reality - and the more I have Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #556

Its not sex which is totally awesome dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #37

Eh, I beg to differ. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #40

Your partner must feel so .... PassingFair Nov 2013 #131

did you read what I.... Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #289

I'm guessing... Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #300

I did Skittles Nov 2013 #316

Why does it have to be one or the other? Can't you lust for someone intensely and still "cherish" nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #411

Fuck sex! Fumesucker Nov 2013 #38

Who else remembers this chestnut? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #41

I've got that cd! LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #43

Great OP lillypaddle Nov 2013 #39

ANY pornography though is exploitive and rather sleazy. Consensual PRIVATE ADULT sexual behavior is RBInMaine Nov 2013 #42

unless they film or take pictures? Schema Thing Nov 2013 #57

Yes, the government doesn't belong in your bedroom... until you bring a camera? n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #179

That's the reducto ad absurdum. But I don't think many people are actually taking the argument nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #413

Exploitative, I think you mean. And WHY is it exploitative? sibelian Nov 2013 #524

Most capitalistic employment is exploitative to one degree or another Major Nikon Nov 2013 #554

with all the anti-KKK sentiment, can we have a racism-positive thread? zazen Nov 2013 #44

Que the conflations of race/sex/consent/non-consent Major Nikon Nov 2013 #48

""anti-pornography" vs pro-sex" such rw lutz labeling. like pro life vs pro abortion. ya. that seabeyond Nov 2013 #58

I agree it's inflammatory Major Nikon Nov 2013 #75

and i explained my refusal to allow YOU and other men to define ME as sex negative. no. seabeyond Nov 2013 #79

It should be pointed out you have no problem using inflammatory references yourself Major Nikon Nov 2013 #84

Hurray for endorphins created by steamy hot uninhibited consensual sex! In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #47

No need for a safe word. Aristus Nov 2013 #362

That's even better. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #366

Thought you'd like that... Aristus Nov 2013 #367

what is really funny is the people that i hear accuse others of being anti sex are having a hell of seabeyond Nov 2013 #50

You seem to have 'man issues' The Straight Story Nov 2013 #61

did not bother with your post. the point of YOU telling ME i have man issues... end of conversation seabeyond Nov 2013 #63

It helps if you know what people are talking about Major Nikon Nov 2013 #74

it does not matter how you define them. they are used for insult. just.... NO seabeyond Nov 2013 #76

I'm not going to argue with you on this point Major Nikon Nov 2013 #82

thank you. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #85

"Why do you anarchists hate roads so much, Dorothy"? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #339

What people do in private is none of anybody else's business. HappyMe Nov 2013 #52

rape porn that make it appear women want to be raped boston bean Nov 2013 #55

Well pardon the fuck out of me. HappyMe Nov 2013 #56

Just pointing out the obvious, and trying to give a clue. boston bean Nov 2013 #60

Thanks loads. HappyMe Nov 2013 #64

you are welcome. hope it helped. boston bean Nov 2013 #66

It helped my key word trash list. HappyMe Nov 2013 #68

Excellent. You must not have trashed any word I used boston bean Nov 2013 #71

It only works in OPs. HappyMe Nov 2013 #73

too bad then, I guess. boston bean Nov 2013 #78

Fair point Major Nikon Nov 2013 #80

what happens in my bedroom, or my streaming or flikr account is no ones business. loli phabay Nov 2013 #69

You got that right. HappyMe Nov 2013 #70

When someone's son or daughter can go out on the web boston bean Nov 2013 #77

thats your job to censor what your kids see online, not mine, loli phabay Nov 2013 #83

Yeah, I realize that you can and should be able to do what you want in boston bean Nov 2013 #87

you realise that webcams, streaming, flikr etc are extensions of our bedroom nowadays loli phabay Nov 2013 #89

Your have a right to do what you want in your bedroom. boston bean Nov 2013 #94

and yet you are the one who wants to interfere with others not me loli phabay Nov 2013 #102

The easy access to it does affect others. boston bean Nov 2013 #173

so does everything we do in life, even your posts effect people loli phabay Nov 2013 #521

Do you think it's any easier for government to do it? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #111

Which is why the point is kind of moot, in some ways. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #423

Suppression didn't work before the internet Major Nikon Nov 2013 #436

I agree. I just find the whole thing depressing, to be honest. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #513

Why worry about it? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #518

I was thinking of the general landscape of the "industry" and how it kind of bums me out. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #520

I have few issues with people making moral arguments about porn Major Nikon Nov 2013 #523

I basically agree. Which is why, even though I support it in principle, I suspect the U.K. law nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #558

Think of the children Major Nikon Nov 2013 #103

you insist your children watch you and your wife go at it cause you feel it is educational, or seabeyond Nov 2013 #81

heres the issue though your line and mine are in different locations, my issue is who draws the line loli phabay Nov 2013 #86

when you use comments like " faint of heart", i stop listening. i am not married to any of this. seabeyond Nov 2013 #88

lol i wondered why you shouted that bit, was nonplussed loli phabay Nov 2013 #90

i could go with that. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #92

WHY is there an image of a goat flamingdem Nov 2013 #59

Goats go to hell... HappyMe Nov 2013 #62

I'm getting Nissans. I think it has to do with your browsing history. JVS Nov 2013 #144

LOL...no. We can't. Iggo Nov 2013 #65

no iggo we cannot when the premise of the thread is those people do not like sex. seabeyond Nov 2013 #67

I didn't read the body of the OP. I just answered the question in the subject line. Iggo Nov 2013 #150

thank you... clarification is our friend. i appreciate it. go back to the trash bin seabeyond Nov 2013 #151

Props to you for trying. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #91

when a posts intent is to insult, why would you think the insulted is going to stay quiet? seabeyond Nov 2013 #95

I don't think it was supposed to be insulting at all. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #99

sex positive/sex negative. prude.... kinda like pro life. is that offensive to you? seabeyond Nov 2013 #101

Actually.. Upton Nov 2013 #109

yes. a man that speaks out for women regularly. is not offended by sex negative, cause seabeyond Nov 2013 #110

I see... Upton Nov 2013 #112

how do you know i have not expressed my opinion to him? now. done with you. seabeyond Nov 2013 #114

Hmm... Upton Nov 2013 #118

The same person also identifies as a separatist feminist Major Nikon Nov 2013 #132

"Sex positive" as it applies to feminism originated with Betty Dopson, a feminist Major Nikon Nov 2013 #121

Thanks Major.. Upton Nov 2013 #126

That was refreshing. HappyMe Nov 2013 #152

It's calling people who think rape porn is wrong gollygee Nov 2013 #105

A couple of small points... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #93

Sex is not an unmitigated "good". dawg Nov 2013 #104

k, your last line put a huge smile on my face.... this. is a very good post seabeyond Nov 2013 #115

Well, I had to give a little shout-out to RT because ... dawg Nov 2013 #119

Which is why the "positive/negative" dichotomy is way too simplistic. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #428

Some people like to poop in the punch bowl. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #106

says who? or is it the right to insult a group of women shaming them thru their sexuality? seabeyond Nov 2013 #116

Why so defensive? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #134

why accusing i am defensive when i asked you a simple question. seabeyond Nov 2013 #135

Just go away. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #138

so, you throw out a false, stupid ass accusation at duers on this board and cause i want an example seabeyond Nov 2013 #139

The world doesn't revolve around you. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #140

Apparently around here there's no such thing as positive sex. seabeyond Nov 2013 #142

Ah. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #143

why do you keep bringing it to me. you are the one that made the statement. seabeyond Nov 2013 #148

Actually, you brought it to him/her with your post on his/her 106. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #163

actually, he made the point of stating people in this thread.... so i asked who. see how this works seabeyond Nov 2013 #171

And if he/she answered who, you would have alerted. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #177

really? you know this for a fact, or are you once again just throwing out false accusation? the FACT seabeyond Nov 2013 #180

"Some people like to poop in the punch bowl." Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #203

clever but dishonest. "Apparently around here there's no such thing as positive sex. " seabeyond Nov 2013 #206

That's what you initially responded to Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #211

i haev never seen a duer that " there's no such thing as positive sex". enlighten me. seabeyond Nov 2013 #214

I don't understand your post. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #217

you say some duers say " there's no such thing as positive sex". i have never seen a duer that seabeyond Nov 2013 #220

You will just have to use that creative imagination of yours. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #237

well, you would have to be a little more specific what you are taking but regardless, i would seabeyond Nov 2013 #238

HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF A LIBERAL WHILE YOU'RE DEFENDING PUNCHBOWL POOPING? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #373

.... maddezmom Nov 2013 #374

!! opiate69 Nov 2013 #430

You know, I actually think that thing may be more like "Koyaanisqatsi" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #539

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #107

Sex rules. Wish I was having it. Arkana Nov 2013 #108

I'm getting some right now. L0oniX Nov 2013 #117

All the same a-holes who accuse you of defending "rape porn" when you defend vanilla porn... TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #122

Reading your post, I have to ask one thing: Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #123

It is indeed a shameful burden I must bear.. TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #133

not going to be a fun time if you make me mere with your attorney first. seabeyond Nov 2013 #124

I love sex. I just don't have a desire to watch others having sex. PassingFair Nov 2013 #127

Pretty sure non-private consensual behaviors shouldn't be punished either. Schema Thing Nov 2013 #197

...sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love." Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #129

LOL Skittles Nov 2013 #390

Pornography is not pro-sex, and opponents are NOT anti-sex or "prudes." duffyduff Nov 2013 #147

So what you're saying is you don't like an industry... Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #156

Should people be forced to look for work in the porn industry gollygee Nov 2013 #167

I would be profoundly surprised if anyone is being required to look for work IN the adult industry Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #543

I didn't say it was happening gollygee Nov 2013 #552

sure thing, Bubba - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #149

Actually consensual role play that involves simulated rape is in fact sex. Kurska Nov 2013 #169

uhm, Bubba, Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #176

Rape porn is rape play that was recorded... Kurska Nov 2013 #181

Laws can be changed. - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #191

No one is demanding anything, besides others not censor what they don't like. Kurska Nov 2013 #224

whatever, Bubba. peace out and dueces. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #229

Have a wonderful life n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #233

did the person that "rape" play lack consent, lack control? cause if there was consent and control, seabeyond Nov 2013 #194

I just served on a jury for this post pintobean Nov 2013 #340

It certainly wasn't meant as a compliment. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #346

0-6 to leave it pintobean Nov 2013 #349

I know. I was the one on the jury who said it was rude. Laelth Nov 2013 #351

So does Pulp Fiction Major Nikon Nov 2013 #525

Well said! Finally, the US is trying to become mature than stuck in RKP5637 Nov 2013 #153

I would but... ryan_cats Nov 2013 #172

I like to vote. shenmue Nov 2013 #185

Post of the year, all years +1 n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #295

Meh. Sex isn't inherently good (or bad) all by itself. MadrasT Nov 2013 #196

Prude shaming bullshit post. boston bean Nov 2013 #209

So, every point of view a woman can possibly hold should be immune from criticism? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #228

My lord, no one is saying you don't have a right to be disgusted by whatever you want. Kurska Nov 2013 #235

Any prude who wants to enforce their morality on others deserves nothing but LittleBlue Nov 2013 #249

Women are just so grateful to be judged boston bean Nov 2013 #279

This is life and you will be judged, fairly or unfairly, no matter what laws are passed. LittleBlue Nov 2013 #288

Yes, take your own advice then and don't be so hypocritical, would be boston bean Nov 2013 #302

What law restricting free expression am I supporting? LittleBlue Nov 2013 #304

Prudes should be shunned and shamed... boston bean Nov 2013 #306

Who am I to determine who is a prude? LittleBlue Nov 2013 #308

I am also a free citizen and therefore determine what I please, boston bean Nov 2013 #310

If you've gotten lost in this discussion, there is a record above LittleBlue Nov 2013 #321

I'm not lost, read what I write and respond to it. boston bean Nov 2013 #333

I have a question (and my bad if you've already addressed it) xulamaude Nov 2013 #309

Specifically, prudes who try to enforce restrictions on others LittleBlue Nov 2013 #312

Okay. Thank you. nt xulamaude Nov 2013 #317

I don't think those who would censor porn are prudes. rrneck Nov 2013 #324

Sex is great. I don't particularly care for porn, though. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #213

Obviously no, we cannot. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #218

so your idea of a positive sex thread is insulting women by shaming them their sexuality? seabeyond Nov 2013 #222

My lord, I never said anyone wasn't free to not like sex. Kurska Nov 2013 #239

see, this is the issue. because women talk about rape porn, you tell them they do not like sex. seabeyond Nov 2013 #242

When the hell did I say YOU didn't like sex, why do you even assume this OP is directed at you. Kurska Nov 2013 #246

My beef is with people who don't like sex and want to be sure no one else enjoys it either. seabeyond Nov 2013 #250

No see the and in that sentence indicates a compound thought Kurska Nov 2013 #253

after all the rape porn thread you start an OP ... now can we have a sex positive thread. seabeyond Nov 2013 #256

Yes, I was personally addressing you with my OP. Kurska Nov 2013 #260

you know, i know, everyone on this thread knows who you were addressing. me personally? all the seabeyond Nov 2013 #262

The only people I am addressing are those that want to ban others consensual sexual practices. Kurska Nov 2013 #267

YOU are using womens sexuality to shame them. that simple. you cannot justify that, or validate seabeyond Nov 2013 #269

Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #270

It is a fact. You are try to weasel your way around it all. It bottom lines to you seabeyond Nov 2013 #274

Banning pornography is not a sexual behavior. Kurska Nov 2013 #276

using sex positive to sex negative, using prude, using anti sex then that is exactly what you are seabeyond Nov 2013 #286

I'm so glad there exists people who can tell me what I am doing. Kurska Nov 2013 #292

it is literally your words. so whatever.... nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #296

If you can decrypt 286, please share with the rest of us. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #322

I don't think even the freaking TARDIS can translate some of what I am reading here The Straight Story Nov 2013 #337

I'll get my best men working on it Kurska Nov 2013 #344

Hmmm...breakthrough thought here. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #319

Hey, she loves sex and is sex positive. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #318

I have seen people in these threads LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #247

the only other way to "spin it" other than ANTI sex, would be ANTI porn. but what the fuck seabeyond Nov 2013 #252

Nice spin attempt. HappyMe Nov 2013 #263

really? women against porn are anti sex, not anti porn. to say anti porn is a spin? seabeyond Nov 2013 #266

What men are you talking about? HappyMe Nov 2013 #285

sex positive/sex negative, anti sex, prude. what do you think that is saying about people who speak seabeyond Nov 2013 #290

I don't know. HappyMe Nov 2013 #299

you dont know. seabeyond Nov 2013 #301

Well, maybe I do. HappyMe Nov 2013 #303

The 'women' thing implies that we are all of the same mind about everything. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #326

You sound like a prude-negative type person. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #325

Voluntarily having sex and filming it for others to see LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #272

it is a disagreement about porn. i understand your issue on women choosing. seabeyond Nov 2013 #281

The "disagreement about porn" is full of slut shaming, every time it turns up. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #307

You can speak for tthis womannn Sissyk Nov 2013 #376

The whole sex-negative thing is more than just a bit disingenuous Major Nikon Nov 2013 #547

Excellent post. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #297

Perfectly said maddezmom Nov 2013 #341

You got it! nt RiffRandell Nov 2013 #230

you too, are into shaming women their sexuality? i am aghast.... nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #236

"The only freaks are those who violate the rights of others"=shaming women for their sexuallity Kurska Nov 2013 #241

"The only freaks are those who violate the rights of others" wtf? and we are clear what you are seabeyond Nov 2013 #254

That was line from my OP, maybe you would recognize it if you bothered to read it n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #257

anti porn threads, now sex positive seabeyond Nov 2013 #261

See this is what you don't get Kurska Nov 2013 #265

there you go. right there. intent clear. this thread is to declare that women that spoke out on seabeyond Nov 2013 #268

.... Kurska Nov 2013 #273

No, I am a WOMAN who doesn't believe my sexuality is being shamed. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #280

wtf? of course it is not your sexuality being attacked. you are helping to attack other womens seabeyond Nov 2013 #284

Are you accusing Riff of being a gender-traitor? Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #330

Add me to the list. HappyMe Nov 2013 #244

Lulz!!!! Divine Discontent Nov 2013 #515

Different people seem to mean different things by "sex" struggle4progress Nov 2013 #231

Apparently not... Hayabusa Nov 2013 #275

Let's talk about sex! Rex Nov 2013 #277

Here are two women everyone here should read and/or support: (NSFW) kentauros Nov 2013 #278

Awesome links! Kurska Nov 2013 #282

I didn't think about that, so thank you for pointing it out. kentauros Nov 2013 #287

I love Annie! zappaman Nov 2013 #291

"Tit print"! kentauros Nov 2013 #293

She would have a LOT to say in this thread! zappaman Nov 2013 #294

That is true on all points. kentauros Nov 2013 #298

I'm not sure why Americans are so afraid of sex. I have had both good and bad experiences in my liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #313

I'm so glad I'm gay Prism Nov 2013 #315

"Keep thumpin, my friends" LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #323

You. I like you. n/t Prism Nov 2013 #328

Remember, 88% of porn contains "aggressive acts" like ... blowjobs Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #332

"Indian gang rape," "military women raped," and "drunk girl rape" BainsBane Nov 2013 #414

Which has nothing to do with what I posted. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #431

I googled "rape porn" BainsBane Nov 2013 #441

The fact that you googled something and then found the thing you were googling, only indicates that Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #466

I Googled the topic of discussion BainsBane Nov 2013 #470

Okay, point by point. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #478

Not much of a point by point BainsBane Nov 2013 #486

I'm not outraged, Bain. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #514

I am not "people" BainsBane Nov 2013 #529

I am opposed to rape, and support efforts to combat and reduce it. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #531

You do know that simple probability BainsBane Nov 2013 #553

Notice how you didn't get an answer to a direct question Major Nikon Nov 2013 #536

My sentiments: Kingofalldems Nov 2013 #347

Perahps we shoudl hear form George Michael Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #352

If Sex is so wonderful and all that, why do women I talked to usually say... BlueJazz Nov 2013 #357

Rape is not sex. It is violent assault BainsBane Nov 2013 #360

The problem appears to be that you think of most sex as rape. last1standing Nov 2013 #369

Bullshit BainsBane Nov 2013 #370

You addressed them to me in a group you had me blocked from. last1standing Nov 2013 #377

spitting venom? You just accused me of thinking all sex is rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #380

You've posted nothing to suggest differently. last1standing Nov 2013 #382

Now this people, is "badass." RiffRandell Nov 2013 #387

LOL! Thanks. But seriously, that poster is writing some very disturbing things. last1standing Nov 2013 #394

Wasn't this also in the Gungeon? Had a certain ring. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #496

Par for the course Major Nikon Nov 2013 #555

"Pride parades promote homosexuality" Prism Nov 2013 #375

Her previous posts show that she is very comfortable with it. last1standing Nov 2013 #378

Where did she link to those sites? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #398

Wander around in the Feminism Group, you'll find plenty of them. last1standing Nov 2013 #401

You accused her personally of posting from homophobic sites. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #408

Ah! I see, you have no desire to look for the facts, you just want to attack. last1standing Nov 2013 #412

I just provided the one HOF post where I cited any sources BainsBane Nov 2013 #416

Nothing is incumbent upon me when it comes from you. last1standing Nov 2013 #420

So you admit you fabricated that claim? BainsBane Nov 2013 #421

I admit that you post very disturbing comments. last1standing Nov 2013 #424

So that's a yes BainsBane Nov 2013 #429

That's a Yes... last1standing Nov 2013 #434

Then provide text and links to what is so disturbing BainsBane Nov 2013 #438

Everything you're written is disturbing. last1standing Nov 2013 #442

Let me try again BainsBane Nov 2013 #446

Let me try again. last1standing Nov 2013 #448

It seems clear you did not read my last post BainsBane Nov 2013 #450

It seems clear you did not read your own post. last1standing Nov 2013 #451

I've made those points repeatedly BainsBane Nov 2013 #452

Since you couldn't resist spitting venom we can go back to the same old.... last1standing Nov 2013 #453

It is increasingly clear to me that you define hate and venom BainsBane Nov 2013 #455

In future I'll define it by linking to your posts. last1standing Nov 2013 #456

Which you have been asked to do repeatedly to back up your allegations BainsBane Nov 2013 #457

LOL! I love the fact that you're so bothered by that. last1standing Nov 2013 #461

Oh, I see what the venom was BainsBane Nov 2013 #460

No, you made a deliberate attempt to be hateful when I was trying to discuss issues. last1standing Nov 2013 #462

You personally are the repository of all feminist issues? BainsBane Nov 2013 #463

Nope. That's why I wanted to discuss them. last1standing Nov 2013 #465

Where did I ever say women should be "directed by my decree" BainsBane Nov 2013 #474

Seriously, thank you for writing that as I agree with some of it and see more as miscommunication. last1standing Nov 2013 #517

... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #467

You were the only one, huh? last1standing Nov 2013 #469

I have no dog in this fight. I only wanted you to see the kind of remarks your comments ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #471

This entire subthread probably should be removed. last1standing Nov 2013 #472

I participated in a jury on a comment. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #473

How about $100 to an anti-slavery group? BainsBane Nov 2013 #476

I give you my honest word I am playing no game. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #418

I didn't say she was. I said she is comfortable with homophobic researchers and sites. last1standing Nov 2013 #422

I am not going to search for this. It is clear you are not going to provide the link which you hrmjustin Nov 2013 #425

Ok. Goodbye. last1standing Nov 2013 #435

So sorry. I missed one: Mother Jones BainsBane Nov 2013 #419

Here is the one post in HOF in which I linked to sources over the past several days BainsBane Nov 2013 #415

Not just there, GD too just yesterday Major Nikon Nov 2013 #527

Hold on. Are you actually equating a pride parade with rape? BainsBane Nov 2013 #384

What I said was precise and clear Prism Nov 2013 #388

So if I don't like rape and rape culture? BainsBane Nov 2013 #391

I'm not reading your post since the first two sentences are dishonest. Prism Nov 2013 #399

If you are not going to read my responses, don't answer BainsBane Nov 2013 #404

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Nov 2013 #392

Well, there is also a thread BainsBane Nov 2013 #395

Are there any prominent anti-pornographers who AREN'T sex negative? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #383

Quite a list and we see some of them quoted here on a regular basis maddezmom Nov 2013 #385

What complete crap BainsBane Nov 2013 #393

I noticed you couldn't come up with any names Major Nikon Nov 2013 #397

BainsBane BainsBane Nov 2013 #400

That's not a name, nor are you prominent anywhere other than here (if that) Major Nikon Nov 2013 #402

So you're not actually interested in what members here think? BainsBane Nov 2013 #406

I asked a question, you have yet to directly answer it Major Nikon Nov 2013 #426

You are painting feminists here as sex negative BainsBane Nov 2013 #437

I'm painting THOSE feminists as sex negative Major Nikon Nov 2013 #443

So your post was essentially irrelevant to the OP BainsBane Nov 2013 #454

"Are there any prominent anti-pornographers who AREN'T sex negative?" Why does it matter kwassa Nov 2013 #440

I asked a question that matters to me Major Nikon Nov 2013 #444

It is off point and it doesn't matter, which is the only rational answer to your query. kwassa Nov 2013 #449

As do we all hopefully Major Nikon Nov 2013 #459

You asked her to back up her claim so of course you don't think women are human beings. last1standing Nov 2013 #407

Rule #2 xulamaude Nov 2013 #403

Their motives are the same Major Nikon Nov 2013 #417

Claiming that porn poisons the culture, as you say, xulamaude Nov 2013 #447

You just said the same thing Major Nikon Nov 2013 #458

Got me! xulamaude Nov 2013 #464

The religious right opposes modern-day slavery too BainsBane Nov 2013 #475

What's red, hangs on the wall, and whistles? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #481

That was your same argument for rape porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #483

THE MAN IN THE WILDERNESS Major Nikon Nov 2013 #485

Heh.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #487

Hey there! BainsBane Nov 2013 #489

... opiate69 Nov 2013 #495

My favorite show! BainsBane Nov 2013 #497

Fuck.. Did Betelgeuse just go supernova? We actually agree on something?? opiate69 Nov 2013 #498

This is the funniest bit BainsBane Nov 2013 #499

Ahh.. "The Germans". IIRC, TV Guide ranked that episode in the top-10 all time. opiate69 Nov 2013 #503

BTW BainsBane Nov 2013 #504

Can't say as I have.. In all honesty, opiate69 Nov 2013 #506

"Purely accidental" BainsBane Nov 2013 #507

Well, given the history, I don't for a second expect you to believe it. opiate69 Nov 2013 #509

There isn't a bad episode in the series BainsBane Nov 2013 #511

You are consistent, I'll give you that BainsBane Nov 2013 #488

I'm not avoiding discussion, you just don't get it Major Nikon Nov 2013 #490

You could try explaining it slowly BainsBane Nov 2013 #491

Others have tried Major Nikon Nov 2013 #492

I've dealt with his points repeatedly BainsBane Nov 2013 #494

Not talking about him Major Nikon Nov 2013 #500

Right, obfuscation BainsBane Nov 2013 #502

That's it Major Nikon Nov 2013 #505

...Hitler? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #545

I call Godwin Major Nikon Nov 2013 #548

Good luck. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #550

This never happens to progressive feminists. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #433

whatever the reasons I still say stay out of my bedroom. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #477

I don't care what people do in their bedrooms nor do I make a judgment on most porn. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #396

False dichotomy Scootaloo Nov 2013 #410

You make me want to watch that My Little Pony show BainsBane Nov 2013 #493

Don't expect an homage to Coppola's "The Conversation".... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #535

I wonder why so many people are into it? BainsBane Nov 2013 #542

There's a documentary about the Brony culture out there that turned up on Logo ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #544

All sounds pretty harmless to me BainsBane Nov 2013 #546

I don't like pornography, but even with my position, I view many on DU bluestate10 Nov 2013 #427

To answer your question on subject alone: no. No we can't. flvegan Nov 2013 #439

Right? ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #468

Aww, thank you. flvegan Nov 2013 #484

Is it pornography when loving exhibitionistic couples broadcast live video of their love making? Kablooie Nov 2013 #445

Looking at the poll - the answer appears to be HELL YES !!! ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #512

So, to recap: No. Not here. Not ever. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #530

My poor thread, just another victim of the great DU rape porn war Kurska Nov 2013 #532

I was in the DU porn wars of '05, '08, '09 and '11 Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #533

To Donny....who loved surfing....and bowling. nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #537

"And what was all that shit about Vietnam? What the FUCK, has anything got to do with Vietnam?" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #541

Why does it seem DU generally has porn wars in years there is no election Kurska Nov 2013 #538

Yeah, for sure. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #540

I think you may be on to something... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #561

Damn, that's a lot of wars to fight... opiate69 Nov 2013 #551

The "Heavy Metal" Soundtrack. Indeed. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #557

'05, I wasn't around here yet. But '08, '09, and especially '11 I remember pretty well. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #560

Hell, I wish one of *my* (admittedly very few) threads would get 500 replies. I'm lucky to get 5. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #559

What does "sex-positive" have to do with pornography, exactly? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #563

Nothing. Not inherently anyway. Which is why the conflation of the two is rather questionable. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #565

See your attitude is exactly what I'm talking about. Kurska Nov 2013 #567

It's the social attitudes around it that are exploitative. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #569

Your perception of social attitudes don't matter a fraction of an iota Kurska Nov 2013 #570

Apparently there are plenty of things you don't get Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #571

You're the one saying society should influence how a woman feels about her private sexual behaviors. Kurska Nov 2013 #573

I'm saying society does, in fact. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #574

I find it laughable you think a woman's private, consensual and enjoyable sex becomes exploitative Kurska Nov 2013 #576

You're arguing that pornography and the attitudes around gender roles and sexuality it expresses... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #578

I'm arguing that blanket statements on whether a woman should feel exploited or not based on the Kurska Nov 2013 #581

Except you're moving the goalposts, and arguing a point I didn't make. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #583

Oh my lord, I'm seriously questioning if you even read what you write. Kurska Nov 2013 #584

It isn't necessary to "feel" something for it to be the case. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #585

And if something is the case and you don't "feel it", you're wrong Kurska Nov 2013 #586

Hah. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #587

"no, they aren't" Yes, men are. Kurska Nov 2013 #588

People fuck. People like cameras. People like watching stuff on screens. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #572