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1StrongBlackMan

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69. I do believe ...

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 08:47 AM

Nov 2013

that the way ObamaCare was built allowed for single-payer to get a trial run (in terms of public support and actual what it could look like on a national scale) ... for any jursidiction brave enough to install one (you know, that "50 incubator of ideas" thing); while fundamentally changing the game for all other jurisdictions that weren't/aren't.

Face it, folks ... social (policy) change comes grindingly slowly; not matter how many magic wands we pretend to have ... first there is the idea; then it's tried in a limited fashion; then all the other jurisdictions point to where the idea is working to adopt it for themselve, once a critical mass of the electorate sees that, and how, it works.

Pick a social (policy) change in Americam and tell me how it didn't happen that way.

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Obama just launched single-payer in America [View all] kpete Nov 2013 OP

k&r.... spanone Nov 2013 #1

Go Vermont! MrsKirkley Nov 2013 #2

And if summer tazkcmo Nov 2013 #4

meh... headline is completely wrong. cui bono Nov 2013 #3

S/B "Vermont just launched Single Payer" Maedhros Nov 2013 #13

That is entirely correct ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2013 #15

I somehow doubt that Obama's master plan was for states to implement Single Payer Maedhros Nov 2013 #33

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Exactly.. sendero Nov 2013 #66

It's essentially the same path Canada used to get there. magical thyme Nov 2013 #92

It's been a damn long walk for Marriage Equality tavalon Nov 2013 #105

Just call it Reagancare in those states. louis-t Nov 2013 #106

LOL... sendero Nov 2013 #140

Vermont was the first with gay marriage too and look how quickly they are lining up lately and will Maraya1969 Nov 2013 #138

Yes, Bernie Sanders dotymed Nov 2013 #68

What hyperbole. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #77

The state of Vermont deserves credit. No one else. n/t Dawgs Nov 2013 #89

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, I guess. eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #112

Lets do that. dotymed Nov 2013 #125

Yeah, let's. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #136

Gotta love Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #102

bernie sanders didnt give us the aca obama did Dustin DeWinde Nov 2013 #139

Bingo, President Obama may not always be the smartest guy in a given room mikekohr Nov 2013 #85

Yep, here we are with mandatory private insurance sucking 20% out of the health care pool Doctor_J Nov 2013 #88

+1 MNBrewer Nov 2013 #25

But that doesn't fit into the narrative. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #71

Extremists always seem determined to misrepresent ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2013 #113

I've thought since the ACA was passed... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #5

uh, vermont started going down the single payer path LONG before the ACA cali Nov 2013 #64

Great point. Veilex Nov 2013 #94

I won't argue your point... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #108

this had a lot more to do with Vermont, one of the few democratic truedelphi Nov 2013 #6

The people of Vermont did this. The ACA had very little to do with it. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #7

They would have never had the money to implement this, Mr. Stupidity ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2013 #17

Actually implementation is being delayed by the ACA. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #19

There would be no money without the ACA, Mr. Stupidity. ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2013 #111

Never could have done it without Obama mwrguy Nov 2013 #28

Check this out... cui bono Nov 2013 #41

Nice try Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #32

Try this: cui bono Nov 2013 #42

How about you try this: BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #54

They already have a low uninsured rate, the ACA's Medicaid expansion helps. joshcryer Nov 2013 #80

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Nice capital "h" in his MNBrewer Nov 2013 #27

If He wanted Single Payer, then He could at least have pretended to fight for it Maedhros Nov 2013 #35

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Are you sure about that? cui bono Nov 2013 #43

K&R Grey Nov 2013 #9

Vermont was 100 years ahead of the country when it came to outlawing slavery... polichick Nov 2013 #10

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Obama just retroactively ended the Cold War NoOneMan Nov 2013 #12

Lol ! TheDebbieDee Nov 2013 #16

This made me LOL Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #132

I did not know of that provision, Phlem Nov 2013 #14

it started like this in Canada riverbendviewgal Nov 2013 #18

Yup. Then PM Lester B Pearson took it much further. roamer65 Nov 2013 #22

Excellent model for what many of us would like to see happen in the U.S. klook Nov 2013 #24

Tommy Douglas, a true hero Whisp Nov 2013 #34

Donald Sutherland's grandfather. ANOIS Nov 2013 #39

Shirley Douglas is Donald Sutherlands wife. Whisp Nov 2013 #40

Ex-wife. Kiefer's mother. MADem Nov 2013 #62

In the 40's... SidDithers Nov 2013 #67

Oh wow I didn't know that! LionsTigersRedWings Nov 2013 #83

Here is the history of our health care riverbendviewgal Nov 2013 #127

Canadian HC did not start with mandatory insurance Doctor_J Nov 2013 #100

Ha! Ha! The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #20

ACA provided the tools and the workspace, and Vermont is building. k&r n/t Beartracks Nov 2013 #21

Actually, ACA *forbids* single payer MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #23

Um, no. If there's a waiver, then Obamacare permits single payer. That's how laws work. Here's a msanthrope Nov 2013 #44

And it got put in the bill because of Bernie Sanders. Dawgs Nov 2013 #90

No... article 1 section 8 of the Constitution mandates that the Congress writes the laws. msanthrope Nov 2013 #93

Your response is pathetic. You need to take a step back. n/t Dawgs Nov 2013 #95

Yep...I've generally found that direct citation to the Constitution tends to shut down nonsense. msanthrope Nov 2013 #97

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Now I see where your other ill informed OP comes from... joshcryer Nov 2013 #81

Do you think that was his plan all along? zeemike Nov 2013 #26

Of course, chess not checkers mwrguy Nov 2013 #29

IT'S NOT FUCKING CHESS cui bono Nov 2013 #45

please stay calm uponit7771 Nov 2013 #59

LOL cui bono Nov 2013 #60

Fucking has nothing to do with it. nt. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2013 #75

Cui bono has spoken, it's not chess!!!!11 Zero doubt. tridim Nov 2013 #76

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His ACA is moving in the same way Canada's single-payer had moved... BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #58

Erm, yes, that is the plan all along. joshcryer Nov 2013 #82

To Be Clear - Vermont Has Embraced Single Payer - No Evidence That Obama Has Embraced The Same cantbeserious Nov 2013 #30

+1 JimDandy Nov 2013 #48

I think Obama has embraced it philosophically. He stated at least once that it probably made the Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #57

If I had just one rec to give this year, it might have to go here. nt NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #31

But, what about Ben Gozzi? What will happen to him now? Is he just thrown out in to the street? Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #37

chuckle. nt navarth Nov 2013 #117

super mega rec. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #36

A former Gov of Vermont named Howard Dean .......n/t jaysunb Nov 2013 #38

Just maybe it will be easier to dismantle the mega-insurance companies one state at a time. libdem4life Nov 2013 #46

I hope this is just the beginning of a true healthcare revolution. n/t UtahLib Nov 2013 #51

Vermont has been working towards this for some time. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #52

Wrong. Obama intended a public option. It COULD NOT PASS, unfortunately. He did the best he could. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #63

That's because he strong-armed the Progressive Caucus instead of the accursed Blue Dogs Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #122

Yeah. Seems the only thing that could pass was the minority's proposal. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #133

Add me to the list. Fuck the ODSers!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #55

Them dudes from Phish have to get some of the credit, too. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #56

Cough - BS - cough... But I'll give it to him if it gets us Medicare for All;) grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #61

Prepare for any problems with it treestar Nov 2013 #65

I do believe ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #69

+100000000. You are so right BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2013 #72

Indeed. The Prexy called it a "Gradual Revolution". nt riqster Nov 2013 #121

The real question is whether the so-called single payer supporters here IronLionZion Nov 2013 #70

Wow, that's a stretch. Is Obama actually claiming full credit for VT passing single payer? nt NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #73

Clearly, "credit" is a finite resource which should be rationed. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #74

Absolutely, kpete. Without the PPACA there will be NO single-payer. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #78

Right, because the President owns the ACA all by himself. Dawgs Nov 2013 #91

Well, if he catches all the FLACK when you don't like the PPACA BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #114

Did Canada have mandatory insurance before SP? Doctor_J Nov 2013 #99

And that has WHAT exactly to do with the price of eggs? BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #115

you posted that sp would be impossible without the aca. Doctor_J Nov 2013 #142

I continue to stand for a... JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #79

I'm just glad we got the damn mandate. joshcryer Nov 2013 #84

Thank you for posting this fadedrose Nov 2013 #86

I'll just thank Howard Dean Myrina Nov 2013 #87

If it wasn't so damn cold up there ...I'd move just to be in a progressive state. L0oniX Nov 2013 #96

The phrase, "universal health care" was hijacked during recent years. Lasher Nov 2013 #98

So, are they "chicken littles" or "progressives" leading the way? nonoxy9 Nov 2013 #101

Good Lord. LWolf Nov 2013 #103

I was just talking to a fellow DUer I met last night about this tavalon Nov 2013 #104

that's such a sweet post. Posts like yours are why I still come to DU... KittyWampus Nov 2013 #107

Rose colored glasses zipplewrath Nov 2013 #109

FYI: ProSense Nov 2013 #110

I remember reading about Vermont and single payer a while back. nt valerief Nov 2013 #116

The ACA destroyed the momentum for single payer in California. Xithras Nov 2013 #118

But look at it this way: now that Obamacare's a done deal (more or less) there's no reason nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #128

They were fine with voting for single payer when they knew it would be vetoed Fumesucker Nov 2013 #141

K & R SunSeeker Nov 2013 #119

OH YEAH!!!! calimary Nov 2013 #120

And if such a tiny state like Vermont can make it happen adieu Nov 2013 #123

Excellent! So who's next? Blue Idaho Nov 2013 #124

I simply... JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #126

There is just so much WRONG with this OP, I don't know where to start. bvar22 Nov 2013 #129

"Are there any estimates yet" ... Yes: ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2013 #131

That is indeed Single Payer Publicly Owned Health Insurance. bvar22 Nov 2013 #134

K & R Iliyah Nov 2013 #130

then Max Baucus deserves credit too Enrique Nov 2013 #135

Didn't know mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2013 #137