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In reply to the discussion: My 911 Call, The "Attempted Murder" of My Daughter, & Oppression of the Family Death Penalty [View all]Land Shark
(6,348 posts)77. Thanks (and here's an example of the Kafkaesque nightmare you mention)
Kafkaesque: In "The Trial", the protagonist Kafka sets out doesn't know what he's on trial for. Somewhat similarly, in a case like this one, there's a real trial with stated charges, but the real charges are unstated: it's to take away your parental rights. So I saw a bunch of jockeying between the prosecutor and the defense counsel in light of what the real issues were of parental rights as well as immigration issues. The prosecutor later admitted, but only after I sent a letter of inquiry, that an ICE agent had been in contact with their office and admitting there must be an 'immigration issue of some kind.' Subsequently the not guilty disposition, I'm told, made the immigration issues go away. So there's a Kafkaesque sense of not knowing what the real charges are, at least not all of them.
But then it goes further, as shown in the OP, even though a finding of not guilty was entered and all criminal records were therefore destroyed by operation of law and court order, in a very real sense being found not guilty results and resulted here in an arguably worse outcome: civil commitment, the stigma of that as well as NGRI, and a demand that there be no visitation with the children even upon release - a form of relief they could not have obtained had they won in the original action against Karita for termination of parental rights that was in fact filed, then later dismissed. It's arguably worse because many or even most people, forced to choose, would choose prison over not being able to see their children. Thus, a not guilty disposition in cases like these is arguably equal to or worse than a guilty disposition in terms of practical effect.
Kafkaesque Michigan case law: one case says that merely being in prison is not grounds for termination of parental rights. But, being in prison AND wanting to reunite with your children IS grounds for termination. Thus, the only way to keep your parental rights is not to care to ever reunite with them. There's a catch-22 for sure.
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My 911 Call, The "Attempted Murder" of My Daughter, & Oppression of the Family Death Penalty [View all]
Land Shark
Mar 2012
OP
I'm so sorry for everything that happened to your family. The Media looking for ratings are just
Justice wanted
Mar 2012
#1
Thanks. I don't expect hallmark cards (they don't make them for this anyway)
Land Shark
Mar 2012
#20
It's understandable that you have no words, for I struggled SO HARD to find words myself.
Land Shark
Mar 2012
#14
"Better safe than sorry" here means innocents get hurt. How's that fair or just?
Land Shark
Mar 2012
#124
k&r to mark to read later and get past wtf is going on with you guys I am so sorry.
uppityperson
Mar 2012
#7
The legal cases are already over, and I was/am the "one closest to the situation."
Land Shark
Mar 2012
#18
Because you're willing to give your opinion, may I get your input on the following?
Land Shark
Mar 2012
#54
Hello? These are interesting questions from Land Shark for you to answer
2 Much Tribulation
Mar 2012
#95
Even if either of you were Miz Clio and able to diagnose someone over the intertubes
EFerrari
Mar 2012
#89
Correct, there was no trial because the Prosecutor gave up, said he couldn't win at trial
Land Shark
Mar 2012
#55
Thank you robinlynne (it seems you found your "right words"); I appreciate it a lot! n/t
Land Shark
Mar 2012
#68
Paul I have to say all the work that you and Andy Stevens have done to bring about change in our
midnight
Mar 2012
#47
Thanks for the compliment, tho I tend to doubt my work has anything to do with it
Land Shark
Mar 2012
#76
This reminds me of what happened to a nurse right after F-5 tornado hit Joplin, MO
Bryn
Mar 2012
#51
THANK YOU! Can't everyone just accept that sometimes true tragedies occur, like that nurse?
Land Shark
Mar 2012
#58
This is disturbing on so many levels. I can't imagine how you've had the strength to handle
lib_wit_it
Mar 2012
#66
I'm so sorry your family is going through this. It must be very difficult.
GardeningGal
Mar 2012
#69
Don't you mean, "Thank you, and I apologize for asking you a question, the answer to which I would
lib_wit_it
Mar 2012
#78
Thanks for proving my point, again. I clearly explained the problem, and your failure to grasp
lib_wit_it
Mar 2012
#88
I'm sure they would have other roughly similar stories like those in the reply thread. nt
Land Shark
Mar 2012
#107