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BlueCaliDem

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77. What hyperbole.

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 10:11 AM

Nov 2013

As great of a Liberal Socialist as Senator Sanders is, he's just ONE VOTE in a body of one hundred.

He's not the president of the United States. He has no power to veto or sign bills into law, and if the majority of his colleagues in the Senate refuse to even touch something he wants, he'll get nothing done.

Senator Sanders, at best, should get credit for negotiating the Waiver of Innovation for States (if he negotiated that part of the PPACA) which gives the right AND - most importantly - Federal funding for each and every state to "be creative" at implementing a system that's better than the PPACA - single payer - starting 2017.

I know, based your avatar, that you're a Bernie Sanders fan, but let's give the right amount of credit where it's due without exaggeration.

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Obama just launched single-payer in America [View all] kpete Nov 2013 OP

k&r.... spanone Nov 2013 #1

Go Vermont! MrsKirkley Nov 2013 #2

And if summer tazkcmo Nov 2013 #4

meh... headline is completely wrong. cui bono Nov 2013 #3

S/B "Vermont just launched Single Payer" Maedhros Nov 2013 #13

That is entirely correct ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2013 #15

I somehow doubt that Obama's master plan was for states to implement Single Payer Maedhros Nov 2013 #33

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Exactly.. sendero Nov 2013 #66

It's essentially the same path Canada used to get there. magical thyme Nov 2013 #92

It's been a damn long walk for Marriage Equality tavalon Nov 2013 #105

Just call it Reagancare in those states. louis-t Nov 2013 #106

LOL... sendero Nov 2013 #140

Vermont was the first with gay marriage too and look how quickly they are lining up lately and will Maraya1969 Nov 2013 #138

Yes, Bernie Sanders dotymed Nov 2013 #68

What hyperbole. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #77

The state of Vermont deserves credit. No one else. n/t Dawgs Nov 2013 #89

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, I guess. eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #112

Lets do that. dotymed Nov 2013 #125

Yeah, let's. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #136

Gotta love Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #102

bernie sanders didnt give us the aca obama did Dustin DeWinde Nov 2013 #139

Bingo, President Obama may not always be the smartest guy in a given room mikekohr Nov 2013 #85

Yep, here we are with mandatory private insurance sucking 20% out of the health care pool Doctor_J Nov 2013 #88

+1 MNBrewer Nov 2013 #25

But that doesn't fit into the narrative. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #71

Extremists always seem determined to misrepresent ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2013 #113

I've thought since the ACA was passed... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #5

uh, vermont started going down the single payer path LONG before the ACA cali Nov 2013 #64

Great point. Veilex Nov 2013 #94

I won't argue your point... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #108

this had a lot more to do with Vermont, one of the few democratic truedelphi Nov 2013 #6

The people of Vermont did this. The ACA had very little to do with it. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #7

They would have never had the money to implement this, Mr. Stupidity ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2013 #17

Actually implementation is being delayed by the ACA. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #19

There would be no money without the ACA, Mr. Stupidity. ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2013 #111

Never could have done it without Obama mwrguy Nov 2013 #28

Check this out... cui bono Nov 2013 #41

Nice try Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #32

Try this: cui bono Nov 2013 #42

How about you try this: BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #54

They already have a low uninsured rate, the ACA's Medicaid expansion helps. joshcryer Nov 2013 #80

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Nice capital "h" in his MNBrewer Nov 2013 #27

If He wanted Single Payer, then He could at least have pretended to fight for it Maedhros Nov 2013 #35

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Are you sure about that? cui bono Nov 2013 #43

K&R Grey Nov 2013 #9

Vermont was 100 years ahead of the country when it came to outlawing slavery... polichick Nov 2013 #10

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Obama just retroactively ended the Cold War NoOneMan Nov 2013 #12

Lol ! TheDebbieDee Nov 2013 #16

This made me LOL Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #132

I did not know of that provision, Phlem Nov 2013 #14

it started like this in Canada riverbendviewgal Nov 2013 #18

Yup. Then PM Lester B Pearson took it much further. roamer65 Nov 2013 #22

Excellent model for what many of us would like to see happen in the U.S. klook Nov 2013 #24

Tommy Douglas, a true hero Whisp Nov 2013 #34

Donald Sutherland's grandfather. ANOIS Nov 2013 #39

Shirley Douglas is Donald Sutherlands wife. Whisp Nov 2013 #40

Ex-wife. Kiefer's mother. MADem Nov 2013 #62

In the 40's... SidDithers Nov 2013 #67

Oh wow I didn't know that! LionsTigersRedWings Nov 2013 #83

Here is the history of our health care riverbendviewgal Nov 2013 #127

Canadian HC did not start with mandatory insurance Doctor_J Nov 2013 #100

Ha! Ha! The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #20

ACA provided the tools and the workspace, and Vermont is building. k&r n/t Beartracks Nov 2013 #21

Actually, ACA *forbids* single payer MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #23

Um, no. If there's a waiver, then Obamacare permits single payer. That's how laws work. Here's a msanthrope Nov 2013 #44

And it got put in the bill because of Bernie Sanders. Dawgs Nov 2013 #90

No... article 1 section 8 of the Constitution mandates that the Congress writes the laws. msanthrope Nov 2013 #93

Your response is pathetic. You need to take a step back. n/t Dawgs Nov 2013 #95

Yep...I've generally found that direct citation to the Constitution tends to shut down nonsense. msanthrope Nov 2013 #97

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Now I see where your other ill informed OP comes from... joshcryer Nov 2013 #81

Do you think that was his plan all along? zeemike Nov 2013 #26

Of course, chess not checkers mwrguy Nov 2013 #29

IT'S NOT FUCKING CHESS cui bono Nov 2013 #45

please stay calm uponit7771 Nov 2013 #59

LOL cui bono Nov 2013 #60

Fucking has nothing to do with it. nt. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2013 #75

Cui bono has spoken, it's not chess!!!!11 Zero doubt. tridim Nov 2013 #76

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His ACA is moving in the same way Canada's single-payer had moved... BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #58

Erm, yes, that is the plan all along. joshcryer Nov 2013 #82

To Be Clear - Vermont Has Embraced Single Payer - No Evidence That Obama Has Embraced The Same cantbeserious Nov 2013 #30

+1 JimDandy Nov 2013 #48

I think Obama has embraced it philosophically. He stated at least once that it probably made the Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #57

If I had just one rec to give this year, it might have to go here. nt NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #31

But, what about Ben Gozzi? What will happen to him now? Is he just thrown out in to the street? Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #37

chuckle. nt navarth Nov 2013 #117

super mega rec. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #36

A former Gov of Vermont named Howard Dean .......n/t jaysunb Nov 2013 #38

Just maybe it will be easier to dismantle the mega-insurance companies one state at a time. libdem4life Nov 2013 #46

I hope this is just the beginning of a true healthcare revolution. n/t UtahLib Nov 2013 #51

Vermont has been working towards this for some time. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #52

Wrong. Obama intended a public option. It COULD NOT PASS, unfortunately. He did the best he could. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #63

That's because he strong-armed the Progressive Caucus instead of the accursed Blue Dogs Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #122

Yeah. Seems the only thing that could pass was the minority's proposal. WowSeriously Nov 2013 #133

Add me to the list. Fuck the ODSers!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #55

Them dudes from Phish have to get some of the credit, too. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #56

Cough - BS - cough... But I'll give it to him if it gets us Medicare for All;) grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #61

Prepare for any problems with it treestar Nov 2013 #65

I do believe ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #69

+100000000. You are so right BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2013 #72

Indeed. The Prexy called it a "Gradual Revolution". nt riqster Nov 2013 #121

The real question is whether the so-called single payer supporters here IronLionZion Nov 2013 #70

Wow, that's a stretch. Is Obama actually claiming full credit for VT passing single payer? nt NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #73

Clearly, "credit" is a finite resource which should be rationed. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #74

Absolutely, kpete. Without the PPACA there will be NO single-payer. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #78

Right, because the President owns the ACA all by himself. Dawgs Nov 2013 #91

Well, if he catches all the FLACK when you don't like the PPACA BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #114

Did Canada have mandatory insurance before SP? Doctor_J Nov 2013 #99

And that has WHAT exactly to do with the price of eggs? BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #115

you posted that sp would be impossible without the aca. Doctor_J Nov 2013 #142

I continue to stand for a... JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #79

I'm just glad we got the damn mandate. joshcryer Nov 2013 #84

Thank you for posting this fadedrose Nov 2013 #86

I'll just thank Howard Dean Myrina Nov 2013 #87

If it wasn't so damn cold up there ...I'd move just to be in a progressive state. L0oniX Nov 2013 #96

The phrase, "universal health care" was hijacked during recent years. Lasher Nov 2013 #98

So, are they "chicken littles" or "progressives" leading the way? nonoxy9 Nov 2013 #101

Good Lord. LWolf Nov 2013 #103

I was just talking to a fellow DUer I met last night about this tavalon Nov 2013 #104

that's such a sweet post. Posts like yours are why I still come to DU... KittyWampus Nov 2013 #107

Rose colored glasses zipplewrath Nov 2013 #109

FYI: ProSense Nov 2013 #110

I remember reading about Vermont and single payer a while back. nt valerief Nov 2013 #116

The ACA destroyed the momentum for single payer in California. Xithras Nov 2013 #118

But look at it this way: now that Obamacare's a done deal (more or less) there's no reason nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #128

They were fine with voting for single payer when they knew it would be vetoed Fumesucker Nov 2013 #141

K & R SunSeeker Nov 2013 #119

OH YEAH!!!! calimary Nov 2013 #120

And if such a tiny state like Vermont can make it happen adieu Nov 2013 #123

Excellent! So who's next? Blue Idaho Nov 2013 #124

I simply... JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #126

There is just so much WRONG with this OP, I don't know where to start. bvar22 Nov 2013 #129

"Are there any estimates yet" ... Yes: ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2013 #131

That is indeed Single Payer Publicly Owned Health Insurance. bvar22 Nov 2013 #134

K & R Iliyah Nov 2013 #130

then Max Baucus deserves credit too Enrique Nov 2013 #135

Didn't know mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2013 #137