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HereSince1628

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10. What's needed is rather more than a blame the politicians game

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 10:55 AM

Nov 2013

that comes out of such defensiveness. So you blame a governor, what does that fix? Almost Nothing.

Blame Scott Walker, for example. What does that change? Nothing; he'll use it as an indication that he is ideologically pure in his run for the presidency.

The ACA as it is may have been the best that could be accomplished. Sure blame can be assigned....I think SCOTUS poisoned it in utero, for example.

But, recognizing the ACA has limitations and has been handicapped and thereby remains an inadequate solution doesn't mean for example, that Barak Obama, -must- or is being blamed for those short comings.

It just means that progress is still necessary.

Progress requires fixing problems...which means recognizing the problems. Progress toward improvement is inhibited by being so defensive about the original work (and workers who engaged it) that the problems can't be admitted into discussion.

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Well of course mandatory private insurance is going to make people sign up for private insurance Fumesucker Nov 2013 #1

So what you mean is that people would not have signed up without the mandate, right? JoePhilly Nov 2013 #2

I read that as whether people can get care without going bankrupt HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #3

So let's put the blame on the GOP Governors in those states ... JoePhilly Nov 2013 #7

What's needed is rather more than a blame the politicians game HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #10

Lovely talk. What matters is that the Republican Party does not care whether people JDPriestly Nov 2013 #30

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�Identifying Problem?" busterbrown Nov 2013 #37

Some would and some wouldn't n/t Fumesucker Nov 2013 #5

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I have family in Europe I stay in contact with Fumesucker Nov 2013 #34

Many people would not have. Many people never did. Many people won't sign up, even with the merrily Nov 2013 #23

You have a flare for ambiguity. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #25

Most people can understand what I posted. merrily Nov 2013 #27

Yes, that many people did things, or also never did them. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #28

YOU ARE CORRECT Skittles Nov 2013 #36

Then why do polls show that MA residents are very happy with their insurance? n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #8

Yes, and there MUST be mandates to get everyone in. But most get subsidies. It is a STEP. And, RBInMaine Nov 2013 #14

Ain't it the truth?! Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #4

Of course it can work - TBF Nov 2013 #6

And Canada proves that a country of 35 million can make single-payer work; the UK that a country of pampango Nov 2013 #9

Agreed. Now please tell us how you are going to get the US House to approve that. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #15

I hope that is a rhetorical request. pampango Nov 2013 #21

But if the ACA isn't killed by SCOTUS we'll NEVER get Single Payer! joshcryer Nov 2013 #11

We will not get national single payer anytime soon. End the pipedream and do what is possible. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #16

We'll get it faster than Canada, I bet. joshcryer Nov 2013 #17

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That's my cynical estimate. joshcryer Nov 2013 #19

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Love Dr. Krugman and his clear eyes. Hekate Nov 2013 #32

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