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Wounded Bear

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23. First off, kudos to VT for leading on this...
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:47 PM
Nov 2013

I've long thought that the ACA would open up the possibility that the states would move to single payer systems on their own.

The timing suggests that ACA may have provided some additional impetus for the VT measure, but I know that this has been growing in several states for a long time. CA nearly passed a SP measure a few years back, but it was torpedoed by Swartzie and there weren't enough votes to override. Hawaii has had a form of UHC working for a while. My nephew lives there and has had to avail himself of it.

Here in WA, our exchange is working pretty well and people are getting coverage-over 60,000, at last count IIRC, have policies in the pipeline. Far more have received Medicaid.

The fact that Repubs don't want people to know is that states that actually worked on this are getting their citizens access to healthcare, while red states are lagging behind. I suspect they won't be able to keep the lid on this for much longer.

The ACA is deeply flawed, but if more states can follow VT's lead and start up SP systems, the snowball effect will override everything else, even corporate intransigence.

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What happens to Workers' Comp under the Vermont tsuki Nov 2013 #1
Meh... you guys just want to reclaim the "most liberal state" crown from us Bay Staters MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #2
Love MA and I love Boston. Lived there for 10 years before cali Nov 2013 #3
K&R Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #4
Agreed, electing sane folks not on loan from the corporations is fundemental TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #5
It's just that crediting the President for this isn't accurate cali Nov 2013 #6
"crediting the President for this isn't accurate" Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #8
I don't see people here saying that. Maybe I missed it but what I've cali Nov 2013 #13
A waiver is available from the ACA FogerRox Nov 2013 #34
ACA is awesome? No, it has as many problems as it had the day our President signed it into law tavalon Nov 2013 #17
Don't forget Jonathan Gruber and William Hsiao. joshcryer Nov 2013 #7
this op is about how everyday Vermonters achieved single payer in Vermont cali Nov 2013 #9
More on Hsiao and Gruber and Vermont... PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #28
So Vermont was moving to SP without the ACA? thx uponit7771 Nov 2013 #10
VT was absolutely moving to single payer, long before the ACA cali Nov 2013 #11
As I've said before, may Vermont be our Saskatchewan and lead the way suffragette Nov 2013 #12
You gave me a lot of homework. tavalon Nov 2013 #18
I hope we see it, too. suffragette Nov 2013 #38
I'm kicking this because the wrong people- be it Obama or even Bernie- are cali Nov 2013 #14
Agreed. FogerRox Nov 2013 #35
Thank you, Vermonters. LWolf Nov 2013 #15
wish people stuck in crap states could share/pool with the Vermont plan Sunlei Nov 2013 #16
cutting out the for profit middlemen tavalon Nov 2013 #19
Congratulations are premature, no? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #20
no, it's not premature. It'll happen. cali Nov 2013 #21
What cost control mechanisms are in place? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #22
Hospital price increases have to be approved by a state run board cali Nov 2013 #24
Maryland and West Virginia do that as well. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #30
Unless a Republican gets elected President in 2016 and rescinds the waiver... n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2013 #29
The ACA waiver doesnt happen until 2017 IIRC. FogerRox Nov 2013 #36
First off, kudos to VT for leading on this... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #23
part of the point of the op, is that the ACA had little to do with single payer cali Nov 2013 #25
Except that... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #27
Vermont was going single payer back in 2009 IIRC, the ACA stopped Vermont infact FogerRox Nov 2013 #37
Thank u Vermont!!! shenmue Nov 2013 #26
Single Payer movement in the era of Obamacare ProSense Nov 2013 #31
Vermont started down the road to single payer before the ACA cali Nov 2013 #33
Vermonters got an interesting view of how things worked Mopar151 Nov 2013 #32
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