Whose idea was it to put Allen Dulles on the Warren Commission? Robert Kennedy's.

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1. Whose idea was it to let Creative Speculation posts back into GD?

Their poison was relegated to a forum under the title "offbeat" for a reason. They foment nothing but trouble when they're allowed to rise above the swamp water.

But there are many here who take this country, and history, seriously enough to understand that those who see the JFK assassination as some grand conspiracy are likely the same people who see 9/11 as a grand conspiracy. (And no doubt, the Apollo moon landings). It's not just the facts they ignore, or their special pleadings, or their just making shit up. It's that when their so-called facts have been thoroughly debunked that they continue to state them as if they were still credible.

I was 14 years old when JFK was assassinated. A few years later, after I had read Mark Lane's "Rush to Judgement" I entertained (the only way one can do such things) that it might have been a conspiracy. I eventually set that all aside. In the end, none of it made any sense and there was never any cogent single theory that agreed with the known, well documented, facts.

But here's the thing. When one is after the truth and has no dog in the hunt for a conspiracy (or not) the only thing left are the facts. The conspiracy theorists love to talk about how the facts have been manipulated. It's all part of the conspiracy, so the lack of evidence becomes just another part of the conspiracy. Those insidious omnipotent bastard conspirators! Anything someone can dream up is likely to be true.

The problem is that the conspiracy theory ends up swallowing itself. It grows to such proportions that it's no longer about the facts, it's about the conspiracy. And after all, all we are looking for is the truth. So anything about which we speculate becomes equal to the known documented facts. All of our speculations trump any and all facts. Why? Because some dude on the Internet said so! That's why. He weaves a very convincing narrative. That's why the official narrative is wrong. Because some dude wove a more convincing one, the facts be damned! That's why the facts have to be wrong. Or made up. And certainly the conspiracy, which must swallow all facts and all logic and all rationale, must then be the yardstick to measure all other narratives.And if the facts contradict the conspiracy that's just another part of the conspiracy (convenient that -- it's called "special pleading", look it up yourself).

It is time to put the JFK assassination conspiracy posts back where they belong, into the Creative Speculation forum where people can ruminate about how LBJ/CIA/FBI/KGB/Cuba/Mafia/Allen Dulles/George HW Bush/Cuban exiles/Etc/Etc/Etc assassinated JFK that Friday. I've seen posts here in GD this past week suggesting all of the above perpetrators. Many are mutually exclusive. And there is never any single theory in Conspiracy Theory beyond the ideological belief that the conspiracy exists. Therefore the facts must agree. If they don't? So sad for mere facts. We've got ideology to uphold here! I say JFK was killed by a conspiracy and that's that. The facts be damned!

Please, please, please let the rest of us in peace. Enough is enough. The DU admins should not have let the mummy out of the casket. Or the zombie out of the grave. Or whatever cheesy SciFi movie metaphor one would choose. Whichever, meanwhile the DU GD forum becomes Godzilla lunch, just like 1950's Tokyo.

There was a reason for this stuff to be relegated to the basement. However, I am willing to acknowledge that such monsters might need to resurrect once in a while so that DU would see that they do not belong in the main forums. Or one would hope so.

Please admins!