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511. There isn't a bad episode in the series

Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:52 AM

Nov 2013

Only Fools and Horses is another good one, but I haven't seen it since the 80s when I lived in the UK. My favorite TV show of all time is The Wire. IMO, it's the Shakespeare of television.

I would like to point out a contradiction between the idea that someone's sex life is their own business and calling another person a prude or sex negative: 1) It has nothing to do with the arguments that most HOF feminists have presented 2) it's a trivialization of real concerns regarding rape culture; and 3) if it were true, it would be passing judgment on someone's sex life, in the same way you complain others are doing. Plus, I for one have said at least 70 times that I don't consider the sex life of any consenting adults my business in the slightest.

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With all the anti-pornography talk, can we have a sex positive thread? [View all] Kurska Nov 2013 OP

Well said LittleBlue Nov 2013 #1

I agree, it isn't a coincidence the most sexually violent have strict sex laws. Kurska Nov 2013 #2

I don't know that it is prudism so much as rrneck Nov 2013 #3

Might be a little of both Kurska Nov 2013 #4

True. rrneck Nov 2013 #7

So, I'm a woman and I have a daughter... renie408 Nov 2013 #11

There is nothing wrong with having mixed feelings about something like rape porn. Kurska Nov 2013 #14

Yes, no question. renie408 Nov 2013 #17

Rape is completely unacceptable, but so is censorship. Kurska Nov 2013 #20

No, censorship is not unacceptable. We censor things all the time. renie408 Nov 2013 #26

Best post in all of the rape-porn threads. n/t A Little Weird Nov 2013 #45

I would be more open to the idea of legislating censorship... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #120

porn stops rape? then we should feed our rapist porn to stop them from raping? and they seabeyond Nov 2013 #130

The fact that you (or I) don't like it isn't enough to call it harmful. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #136

are you saying, cause supposed numbers are down, porn stops rape? seabeyond Nov 2013 #137

I'm saying there's ZERO evidence to support the opposite argument. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #145

"Your argument is this: porn causes rape and therefore should be banned." ONE post. seabeyond Nov 2013 #146

Okay, then in ten words or less, what is your argument? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #155

i am gonna have to think how to stream line it in under ten words or less. lol seabeyond Nov 2013 #158

btw. out of the 6, you are the first to ask without doubling down on a false accusation seabeyond Nov 2013 #159

One problem is there seems to be a conflation of "rape porn" with "all porn" which is not nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #361

That is certainly interesting renie408 Nov 2013 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #175

Do you have a graph for that one? renie408 Nov 2013 #154

across the nation reports of downgrading and not filing reports of rape is a huge part of the seabeyond Nov 2013 #157

I don't trust tbe numbers in the posted graph, either. renie408 Nov 2013 #161

another point. date rapes. in the 70's we did not even know what date rape was. seabeyond Nov 2013 #166

Thought you were done with this thread lillypaddle Nov 2013 #182

huh? are you gonna go after me cause i decided to add something in this subthread? really? seabeyond Nov 2013 #184

"go after you?" lillypaddle Nov 2013 #192

passive aggressive.... lol. ah ha. woman. check out your posts. that would be passive aggressive seabeyond Nov 2013 #195

+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #368

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #216

lilly has been jumping on my posts for a while now.... nothing new. seabeyond Nov 2013 #219

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #223

certainly is an obsession. for sure. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #225

no, really, tell me, am i "allowed" to come in and even reply to you? seabeyond Nov 2013 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author pacalo Nov 2013 #358

Think this through. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #183

because we have a net saying 45-75% of claims are false, intimidating reporting. and cops the seabeyond Nov 2013 #188

The NCVS isn't about crime *reporting*, it's about perceived victimization. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #198

and here would be the flaws in ncvs. and this is without much work looking for issues seabeyond Nov 2013 #202

If the NCVS underestimates crime today, it did so 40 years ago too. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #226

40 yrs ago we did not even consider date rape. 40 yrs ago there was no awareness seabeyond Nov 2013 #227

So you're saying that 40 years ago NCVS underestimated even more than it does today? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #232

i am saying, what you are proposing is we are about at a zero rape rate, per your numbers. seabeyond Nov 2013 #234

The NCVS has been asking this question for 40+ years lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #245

three women standing on the porch. i ask, how many rapes. THREE rapes with one seabeyond Nov 2013 #190

Ask 77,397 more people that question and you duplicate the NCVS. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #200

wrong. and that is why i KNOW your ncvs is flawed. and sure enough. easy to find. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #204

You're absolutely right that even "relatively lower" is still too high. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #371

. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #160

I got to it. renie408 Nov 2013 #174

It is a very significant drop, though. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #258

There is a massive difference between censorship on a private message board Kurska Nov 2013 #164

What if their sexual interest is children? renie408 Nov 2013 #178

for argument's sake, let's go way, way out on the uncomfortable logical limb. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #193

2006. 8 yrs ago. when internet porn was really getting going. when studies to see that actual seabeyond Nov 2013 #199

Got a cite for this 'fact'? Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #264

There are feminists who believe that almost all coitus is coercive and violent Major Nikon Nov 2013 #510

Here's where she is getting that totally rather, er... hard to believe figure: Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #522

I must be watching the wrong porn. Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #283

There's way too much "violence and aggressiveness" in porn. I don't think many people would nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #363

I would say this needs a lot more study... renie408 Nov 2013 #327

+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #364

Children and farm animals can't consent. Kurska Nov 2013 #221

So, as long as it is simulated child porn or farm animal sex renie408 Nov 2013 #320

Yeah, how dare someone be ambivalent about wank-off material that realistically depicts nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #365

hence why I think both child and beastality pronography should be outlawed. deafskeptic Nov 2013 #508

excellent post. well said. thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #212

"I think we can all agree though... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #19

That's not true gollygee Nov 2013 #125

Those who produce consensual "simulations" need to more clearly differentiate their product nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #353

The question isnt whether there is nasty negative stuff out there, for sure there is. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #18

Oh, I don't care if the adults in the rape porn are consenting. renie408 Nov 2013 #23

I don't think a coherent definition of "rape porn" has emerged. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #24

Which leads.me.to.wonder... renie408 Nov 2013 #27

I'm perfectly happy to admit that I've seen some porn in my lifetime. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #29

It could also quite possibly go the other way Major Nikon Nov 2013 #28

"I kind of wonder about WHY that would be your cup of tea" rrneck Nov 2013 #165

That was a generic 'you', not a specific 'you'. renie408 Nov 2013 #170

Ah, all good. rrneck Nov 2013 #187

I am male ... Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #205

When folks are continually incapable of arguing against CONSENTING ADULT behavior without Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #5

Here here! NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #10

To which, the response to your post would go something like this: Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #13

If a lot of the posters were being honest... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #16

I'm just waiting for the usual suspects to come out and... DRoseDARs Nov 2013 #30

I think there is a small but vocal minority on DU that are using the cover of Feminism to promote Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #36

+1000 RC Nov 2013 #113

Dear god I am saving your post. You put it so succintly! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #168

amen!! lillypaddle Nov 2013 #189

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. HappyMe Nov 2013 #201

Or being told that we obviously don't get it. Sissyk Nov 2013 #329

Rule #1 xulamaude Nov 2013 #243

Are you trying to tell me All Women, Everywhere are innocent of misogyny? RC Nov 2013 #251

Nope. nt xulamaude Nov 2013 #255

Yup. HappyMe Nov 2013 #259

Perhaps I should elaborate - xulamaude Nov 2013 #271

I seem to recall a poster whose pet phrase Union Scribe Nov 2013 #379

Yup, I remember her as well maddezmom Nov 2013 #381

Bye bye life (and all that jazz) xulamaude Nov 2013 #386

Indeed LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #389

Precisely. It's not that women don't participate in their own repression - sure they do - nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #564

+1 BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #314

Seriously? Are you really blaming hatred of, and violence against, women on "pseudo-feminists"? nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #562

Yes they can, for the reason already explained. RC Nov 2013 #568

But it seems like you're almost - not quite, but almost - blaming women themselves for abuse. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #575

No. Only a few women. RC Nov 2013 #577

Okay, fair enough. Thanks for clarifying a bit. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #579

I sometimes can be clearer too. RC Nov 2013 #580

Sure, I get that. It's kind of a built-in hazard of Internet communication. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #582

Or maybe it's because people aren't listening to them at home and their daily lives. nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #208

I looked to see who voted in this poll. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #49

not a single pm. it is the stupidest damn OP yet ont he subject. oh... lets all talk about sex seabeyond Nov 2013 #51

not a single pm? Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #53

ya. right dude. play games? whatever... seabeyond Nov 2013 #54

A lot of people think very highly of themselves here. EOTE Nov 2013 #97

Nope. gollygee Nov 2013 #215

Right, that would be obsessive. Like setting up an off-site board to coordinate with banned members Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #331

I haven't seen anything like that gollygee Nov 2013 #335

Try plugging these three words into google: Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #338

You mean there's more than one Overlordess? xulamaude Nov 2013 #342

I don't know what you mean Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #343

Thanks for the welcome. nt xulamaude Nov 2013 #350

Eye opening maddezmom Nov 2013 #345

Indeed. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #348

Well I am more of a Pilates freak and walker/hiker maddezmom Nov 2013 #354

Yeah, I don't ever seem to get bored these days. I always have way more projects I'd like to Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #355

OK, well that's the first I've seen it gollygee Nov 2013 #356

It's okay, they didn't invite me either. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #359

You..... You've got a gift, my friend... opiate69 Nov 2013 #479

And, a special purpose. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #480

Lmao! opiate69 Nov 2013 #482

That was weird enough to tempt me to do it eridani Nov 2013 #526

Someone once said that "Character is what you do when you think no one is looking" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #528

Because, yeah, it's simply not possible that women xulamaude Nov 2013 #334

I'VE HAD IT WITH MEN!!! Skittles Nov 2013 #6

How the hell do you manage your schedule, Skittles? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #15

If you kick enough ass, you have time for anything. n/t A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #21

easy: chronic insomniac Skittles Nov 2013 #25

I thought you looked familiar. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #32

/Thread winner Dash87 Nov 2013 #305

it's a Skittles classic, Dash87 Skittles Nov 2013 #311

... RainDog Nov 2013 #336

LOL Skittles Nov 2013 #372

Dinah Washington RainDog Nov 2013 #432

I miss The Far Side...... neverforget Nov 2013 #501

lulz...nt Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #566

Feminist science fiction author Joanna Russ once said eridani Nov 2013 #8

Good quote. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #9

Exactly, pornography is, at best. a very poor substitute. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #210

People shouldn't extrapolate from the American porn industry to porn in general. redgreenandblue Nov 2013 #12

Very true Fearless Nov 2013 #22

"all sex is rape" ONE post where anyone on du has said "all sex is rape". ONE. just ONE. seabeyond Nov 2013 #46

Alice Schwarzer: "heterosexual sex involves inevitable subjugation of women" redgreenandblue Nov 2013 #96

well, since that "crowd" is so very very small and i do not even hear them, golly, and certainly not seabeyond Nov 2013 #98

I assure you, my post was not intended as a personal attack against you or any other Duer. redgreenandblue Nov 2013 #248

Like I said, putting words in your (and others') mouths. I suppose both "sides" do that sort nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #405

I have nothing against sex as long as it doesn't Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #31

"Your wife was just showing us her Klimt" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #33

i am not against sex - but I do think it is overrated Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #34

That's sort of how I feel about Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #35

then you are doing something wrong, once you find your kink, fetish etc then it becomes. wow loli phabay Nov 2013 #72

I have been there and done that and I have seen through the illusion Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #100

Maybe you just haven't de-personalized it enough. PassingFair Nov 2013 #128

you're probably right - i have always had this weird, kinky tendency of associating sex with Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #141

I find that "sex positive"!! PassingFair Nov 2013 #240

To each their own. Different people have different ideas (and ideals) RE: "intimacy." nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #409

I don't think we should be accusing anyone of doing it "wrong" Xithras Nov 2013 #207

it was more in humour post than a chastisement, but point taken loli phabay Nov 2013 #519

You might be doing it wrong then. bluesbassman Nov 2013 #516

that's a pretty arrogant thing to say. Some mature to a point where they recognize that somethings Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #534

"like many if not most things in life - it is just over rated"... bluesbassman Nov 2013 #549

Quite the contrary. It's called accepting reality - and the more I have Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #556

Its not sex which is totally awesome dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #37

Eh, I beg to differ. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #40

Your partner must feel so .... PassingFair Nov 2013 #131

did you read what I.... Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #289

I'm guessing... Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #300

I did Skittles Nov 2013 #316

Why does it have to be one or the other? Can't you lust for someone intensely and still "cherish" nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #411

Fuck sex! Fumesucker Nov 2013 #38

Who else remembers this chestnut? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #41

I've got that cd! LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #43

Great OP lillypaddle Nov 2013 #39

ANY pornography though is exploitive and rather sleazy. Consensual PRIVATE ADULT sexual behavior is RBInMaine Nov 2013 #42

unless they film or take pictures? Schema Thing Nov 2013 #57

Yes, the government doesn't belong in your bedroom... until you bring a camera? n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #179

That's the reducto ad absurdum. But I don't think many people are actually taking the argument nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #413

Exploitative, I think you mean. And WHY is it exploitative? sibelian Nov 2013 #524

Most capitalistic employment is exploitative to one degree or another Major Nikon Nov 2013 #554

with all the anti-KKK sentiment, can we have a racism-positive thread? zazen Nov 2013 #44

Que the conflations of race/sex/consent/non-consent Major Nikon Nov 2013 #48

""anti-pornography" vs pro-sex" such rw lutz labeling. like pro life vs pro abortion. ya. that seabeyond Nov 2013 #58

I agree it's inflammatory Major Nikon Nov 2013 #75

and i explained my refusal to allow YOU and other men to define ME as sex negative. no. seabeyond Nov 2013 #79

It should be pointed out you have no problem using inflammatory references yourself Major Nikon Nov 2013 #84

Hurray for endorphins created by steamy hot uninhibited consensual sex! In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #47

No need for a safe word. Aristus Nov 2013 #362

That's even better. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #366

Thought you'd like that... Aristus Nov 2013 #367

what is really funny is the people that i hear accuse others of being anti sex are having a hell of seabeyond Nov 2013 #50

You seem to have 'man issues' The Straight Story Nov 2013 #61

did not bother with your post. the point of YOU telling ME i have man issues... end of conversation seabeyond Nov 2013 #63

It helps if you know what people are talking about Major Nikon Nov 2013 #74

it does not matter how you define them. they are used for insult. just.... NO seabeyond Nov 2013 #76

I'm not going to argue with you on this point Major Nikon Nov 2013 #82

thank you. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #85

"Why do you anarchists hate roads so much, Dorothy"? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #339

What people do in private is none of anybody else's business. HappyMe Nov 2013 #52

rape porn that make it appear women want to be raped boston bean Nov 2013 #55

Well pardon the fuck out of me. HappyMe Nov 2013 #56

Just pointing out the obvious, and trying to give a clue. boston bean Nov 2013 #60

Thanks loads. HappyMe Nov 2013 #64

you are welcome. hope it helped. boston bean Nov 2013 #66

It helped my key word trash list. HappyMe Nov 2013 #68

Excellent. You must not have trashed any word I used boston bean Nov 2013 #71

It only works in OPs. HappyMe Nov 2013 #73

too bad then, I guess. boston bean Nov 2013 #78

Fair point Major Nikon Nov 2013 #80

what happens in my bedroom, or my streaming or flikr account is no ones business. loli phabay Nov 2013 #69

You got that right. HappyMe Nov 2013 #70

When someone's son or daughter can go out on the web boston bean Nov 2013 #77

thats your job to censor what your kids see online, not mine, loli phabay Nov 2013 #83

Yeah, I realize that you can and should be able to do what you want in boston bean Nov 2013 #87

you realise that webcams, streaming, flikr etc are extensions of our bedroom nowadays loli phabay Nov 2013 #89

Your have a right to do what you want in your bedroom. boston bean Nov 2013 #94

and yet you are the one who wants to interfere with others not me loli phabay Nov 2013 #102

The easy access to it does affect others. boston bean Nov 2013 #173

so does everything we do in life, even your posts effect people loli phabay Nov 2013 #521

Do you think it's any easier for government to do it? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #111

Which is why the point is kind of moot, in some ways. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #423

Suppression didn't work before the internet Major Nikon Nov 2013 #436

I agree. I just find the whole thing depressing, to be honest. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #513

Why worry about it? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #518

I was thinking of the general landscape of the "industry" and how it kind of bums me out. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #520

I have few issues with people making moral arguments about porn Major Nikon Nov 2013 #523

I basically agree. Which is why, even though I support it in principle, I suspect the U.K. law nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #558

Think of the children Major Nikon Nov 2013 #103

you insist your children watch you and your wife go at it cause you feel it is educational, or seabeyond Nov 2013 #81

heres the issue though your line and mine are in different locations, my issue is who draws the line loli phabay Nov 2013 #86

when you use comments like " faint of heart", i stop listening. i am not married to any of this. seabeyond Nov 2013 #88

lol i wondered why you shouted that bit, was nonplussed loli phabay Nov 2013 #90

i could go with that. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #92

WHY is there an image of a goat flamingdem Nov 2013 #59

Goats go to hell... HappyMe Nov 2013 #62

I'm getting Nissans. I think it has to do with your browsing history. JVS Nov 2013 #144

LOL...no. We can't. Iggo Nov 2013 #65

no iggo we cannot when the premise of the thread is those people do not like sex. seabeyond Nov 2013 #67

I didn't read the body of the OP. I just answered the question in the subject line. Iggo Nov 2013 #150

thank you... clarification is our friend. i appreciate it. go back to the trash bin seabeyond Nov 2013 #151

Props to you for trying. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #91

when a posts intent is to insult, why would you think the insulted is going to stay quiet? seabeyond Nov 2013 #95

I don't think it was supposed to be insulting at all. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #99

sex positive/sex negative. prude.... kinda like pro life. is that offensive to you? seabeyond Nov 2013 #101

Actually.. Upton Nov 2013 #109

yes. a man that speaks out for women regularly. is not offended by sex negative, cause seabeyond Nov 2013 #110

I see... Upton Nov 2013 #112

how do you know i have not expressed my opinion to him? now. done with you. seabeyond Nov 2013 #114

Hmm... Upton Nov 2013 #118

The same person also identifies as a separatist feminist Major Nikon Nov 2013 #132

"Sex positive" as it applies to feminism originated with Betty Dopson, a feminist Major Nikon Nov 2013 #121

Thanks Major.. Upton Nov 2013 #126

That was refreshing. HappyMe Nov 2013 #152

It's calling people who think rape porn is wrong gollygee Nov 2013 #105

A couple of small points... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #93

Sex is not an unmitigated "good". dawg Nov 2013 #104

k, your last line put a huge smile on my face.... this. is a very good post seabeyond Nov 2013 #115

Well, I had to give a little shout-out to RT because ... dawg Nov 2013 #119

Which is why the "positive/negative" dichotomy is way too simplistic. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #428

Some people like to poop in the punch bowl. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #106

says who? or is it the right to insult a group of women shaming them thru their sexuality? seabeyond Nov 2013 #116

Why so defensive? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #134

why accusing i am defensive when i asked you a simple question. seabeyond Nov 2013 #135

Just go away. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #138

so, you throw out a false, stupid ass accusation at duers on this board and cause i want an example seabeyond Nov 2013 #139

The world doesn't revolve around you. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #140

Apparently around here there's no such thing as positive sex. seabeyond Nov 2013 #142

Ah. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #143

why do you keep bringing it to me. you are the one that made the statement. seabeyond Nov 2013 #148

Actually, you brought it to him/her with your post on his/her 106. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #163

actually, he made the point of stating people in this thread.... so i asked who. see how this works seabeyond Nov 2013 #171

And if he/she answered who, you would have alerted. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #177

really? you know this for a fact, or are you once again just throwing out false accusation? the FACT seabeyond Nov 2013 #180

"Some people like to poop in the punch bowl." Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #203

clever but dishonest. "Apparently around here there's no such thing as positive sex. " seabeyond Nov 2013 #206

That's what you initially responded to Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #211

i haev never seen a duer that " there's no such thing as positive sex". enlighten me. seabeyond Nov 2013 #214

I don't understand your post. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #217

you say some duers say " there's no such thing as positive sex". i have never seen a duer that seabeyond Nov 2013 #220

You will just have to use that creative imagination of yours. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #237

well, you would have to be a little more specific what you are taking but regardless, i would seabeyond Nov 2013 #238

HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF A LIBERAL WHILE YOU'RE DEFENDING PUNCHBOWL POOPING? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #373

.... maddezmom Nov 2013 #374

!! opiate69 Nov 2013 #430

You know, I actually think that thing may be more like "Koyaanisqatsi" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #539

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #107

Sex rules. Wish I was having it. Arkana Nov 2013 #108

I'm getting some right now. L0oniX Nov 2013 #117

All the same a-holes who accuse you of defending "rape porn" when you defend vanilla porn... TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #122

Reading your post, I have to ask one thing: Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #123

It is indeed a shameful burden I must bear.. TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #133

not going to be a fun time if you make me mere with your attorney first. seabeyond Nov 2013 #124

I love sex. I just don't have a desire to watch others having sex. PassingFair Nov 2013 #127

Pretty sure non-private consensual behaviors shouldn't be punished either. Schema Thing Nov 2013 #197

...sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love." Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #129

LOL Skittles Nov 2013 #390

Pornography is not pro-sex, and opponents are NOT anti-sex or "prudes." duffyduff Nov 2013 #147

So what you're saying is you don't like an industry... Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #156

Should people be forced to look for work in the porn industry gollygee Nov 2013 #167

I would be profoundly surprised if anyone is being required to look for work IN the adult industry Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #543

I didn't say it was happening gollygee Nov 2013 #552

sure thing, Bubba - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #149

Actually consensual role play that involves simulated rape is in fact sex. Kurska Nov 2013 #169

uhm, Bubba, Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #176

Rape porn is rape play that was recorded... Kurska Nov 2013 #181

Laws can be changed. - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #191

No one is demanding anything, besides others not censor what they don't like. Kurska Nov 2013 #224

whatever, Bubba. peace out and dueces. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #229

Have a wonderful life n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #233

did the person that "rape" play lack consent, lack control? cause if there was consent and control, seabeyond Nov 2013 #194

I just served on a jury for this post pintobean Nov 2013 #340

It certainly wasn't meant as a compliment. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #346

0-6 to leave it pintobean Nov 2013 #349

I know. I was the one on the jury who said it was rude. Laelth Nov 2013 #351

So does Pulp Fiction Major Nikon Nov 2013 #525

Well said! Finally, the US is trying to become mature than stuck in RKP5637 Nov 2013 #153

I would but... ryan_cats Nov 2013 #172

I like to vote. shenmue Nov 2013 #185

Post of the year, all years +1 n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #295

Meh. Sex isn't inherently good (or bad) all by itself. MadrasT Nov 2013 #196

Prude shaming bullshit post. boston bean Nov 2013 #209

So, every point of view a woman can possibly hold should be immune from criticism? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #228

My lord, no one is saying you don't have a right to be disgusted by whatever you want. Kurska Nov 2013 #235

Any prude who wants to enforce their morality on others deserves nothing but LittleBlue Nov 2013 #249

Women are just so grateful to be judged boston bean Nov 2013 #279

This is life and you will be judged, fairly or unfairly, no matter what laws are passed. LittleBlue Nov 2013 #288

Yes, take your own advice then and don't be so hypocritical, would be boston bean Nov 2013 #302

What law restricting free expression am I supporting? LittleBlue Nov 2013 #304

Prudes should be shunned and shamed... boston bean Nov 2013 #306

Who am I to determine who is a prude? LittleBlue Nov 2013 #308

I am also a free citizen and therefore determine what I please, boston bean Nov 2013 #310

If you've gotten lost in this discussion, there is a record above LittleBlue Nov 2013 #321

I'm not lost, read what I write and respond to it. boston bean Nov 2013 #333

I have a question (and my bad if you've already addressed it) xulamaude Nov 2013 #309

Specifically, prudes who try to enforce restrictions on others LittleBlue Nov 2013 #312

Okay. Thank you. nt xulamaude Nov 2013 #317

I don't think those who would censor porn are prudes. rrneck Nov 2013 #324

Sex is great. I don't particularly care for porn, though. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #213

Obviously no, we cannot. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #218

so your idea of a positive sex thread is insulting women by shaming them their sexuality? seabeyond Nov 2013 #222

My lord, I never said anyone wasn't free to not like sex. Kurska Nov 2013 #239

see, this is the issue. because women talk about rape porn, you tell them they do not like sex. seabeyond Nov 2013 #242

When the hell did I say YOU didn't like sex, why do you even assume this OP is directed at you. Kurska Nov 2013 #246

My beef is with people who don't like sex and want to be sure no one else enjoys it either. seabeyond Nov 2013 #250

No see the and in that sentence indicates a compound thought Kurska Nov 2013 #253

after all the rape porn thread you start an OP ... now can we have a sex positive thread. seabeyond Nov 2013 #256

Yes, I was personally addressing you with my OP. Kurska Nov 2013 #260

you know, i know, everyone on this thread knows who you were addressing. me personally? all the seabeyond Nov 2013 #262

The only people I am addressing are those that want to ban others consensual sexual practices. Kurska Nov 2013 #267

YOU are using womens sexuality to shame them. that simple. you cannot justify that, or validate seabeyond Nov 2013 #269

Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #270

It is a fact. You are try to weasel your way around it all. It bottom lines to you seabeyond Nov 2013 #274

Banning pornography is not a sexual behavior. Kurska Nov 2013 #276

using sex positive to sex negative, using prude, using anti sex then that is exactly what you are seabeyond Nov 2013 #286

I'm so glad there exists people who can tell me what I am doing. Kurska Nov 2013 #292

it is literally your words. so whatever.... nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #296

If you can decrypt 286, please share with the rest of us. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #322

I don't think even the freaking TARDIS can translate some of what I am reading here The Straight Story Nov 2013 #337

I'll get my best men working on it Kurska Nov 2013 #344

Hmmm...breakthrough thought here. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #319

Hey, she loves sex and is sex positive. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #318

I have seen people in these threads LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #247

the only other way to "spin it" other than ANTI sex, would be ANTI porn. but what the fuck seabeyond Nov 2013 #252

Nice spin attempt. HappyMe Nov 2013 #263

really? women against porn are anti sex, not anti porn. to say anti porn is a spin? seabeyond Nov 2013 #266

What men are you talking about? HappyMe Nov 2013 #285

sex positive/sex negative, anti sex, prude. what do you think that is saying about people who speak seabeyond Nov 2013 #290

I don't know. HappyMe Nov 2013 #299

you dont know. seabeyond Nov 2013 #301

Well, maybe I do. HappyMe Nov 2013 #303

The 'women' thing implies that we are all of the same mind about everything. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #326

You sound like a prude-negative type person. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #325

Voluntarily having sex and filming it for others to see LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #272

it is a disagreement about porn. i understand your issue on women choosing. seabeyond Nov 2013 #281

The "disagreement about porn" is full of slut shaming, every time it turns up. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #307

You can speak for tthis womannn Sissyk Nov 2013 #376

The whole sex-negative thing is more than just a bit disingenuous Major Nikon Nov 2013 #547

Excellent post. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #297

Perfectly said maddezmom Nov 2013 #341

You got it! nt RiffRandell Nov 2013 #230

you too, are into shaming women their sexuality? i am aghast.... nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #236

"The only freaks are those who violate the rights of others"=shaming women for their sexuallity Kurska Nov 2013 #241

"The only freaks are those who violate the rights of others" wtf? and we are clear what you are seabeyond Nov 2013 #254

That was line from my OP, maybe you would recognize it if you bothered to read it n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #257

anti porn threads, now sex positive seabeyond Nov 2013 #261

See this is what you don't get Kurska Nov 2013 #265

there you go. right there. intent clear. this thread is to declare that women that spoke out on seabeyond Nov 2013 #268

.... Kurska Nov 2013 #273

No, I am a WOMAN who doesn't believe my sexuality is being shamed. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #280

wtf? of course it is not your sexuality being attacked. you are helping to attack other womens seabeyond Nov 2013 #284

Are you accusing Riff of being a gender-traitor? Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #330

Add me to the list. HappyMe Nov 2013 #244

Lulz!!!! Divine Discontent Nov 2013 #515

Different people seem to mean different things by "sex" struggle4progress Nov 2013 #231

Apparently not... Hayabusa Nov 2013 #275

Let's talk about sex! Rex Nov 2013 #277

Here are two women everyone here should read and/or support: (NSFW) kentauros Nov 2013 #278

Awesome links! Kurska Nov 2013 #282

I didn't think about that, so thank you for pointing it out. kentauros Nov 2013 #287

I love Annie! zappaman Nov 2013 #291

"Tit print"! kentauros Nov 2013 #293

She would have a LOT to say in this thread! zappaman Nov 2013 #294

That is true on all points. kentauros Nov 2013 #298

I'm not sure why Americans are so afraid of sex. I have had both good and bad experiences in my liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #313

I'm so glad I'm gay Prism Nov 2013 #315

"Keep thumpin, my friends" LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #323

You. I like you. n/t Prism Nov 2013 #328

Remember, 88% of porn contains "aggressive acts" like ... blowjobs Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #332

"Indian gang rape," "military women raped," and "drunk girl rape" BainsBane Nov 2013 #414

Which has nothing to do with what I posted. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #431

I googled "rape porn" BainsBane Nov 2013 #441

The fact that you googled something and then found the thing you were googling, only indicates that Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #466

I Googled the topic of discussion BainsBane Nov 2013 #470

Okay, point by point. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #478

Not much of a point by point BainsBane Nov 2013 #486

I'm not outraged, Bain. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #514

I am not "people" BainsBane Nov 2013 #529

I am opposed to rape, and support efforts to combat and reduce it. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #531

You do know that simple probability BainsBane Nov 2013 #553

Notice how you didn't get an answer to a direct question Major Nikon Nov 2013 #536

My sentiments: Kingofalldems Nov 2013 #347

Perahps we shoudl hear form George Michael Agnosticsherbet Nov 2013 #352

If Sex is so wonderful and all that, why do women I talked to usually say... BlueJazz Nov 2013 #357

Rape is not sex. It is violent assault BainsBane Nov 2013 #360

The problem appears to be that you think of most sex as rape. last1standing Nov 2013 #369

Bullshit BainsBane Nov 2013 #370

You addressed them to me in a group you had me blocked from. last1standing Nov 2013 #377

spitting venom? You just accused me of thinking all sex is rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #380

You've posted nothing to suggest differently. last1standing Nov 2013 #382

Now this people, is "badass." RiffRandell Nov 2013 #387

LOL! Thanks. But seriously, that poster is writing some very disturbing things. last1standing Nov 2013 #394

Wasn't this also in the Gungeon? Had a certain ring. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #496

Par for the course Major Nikon Nov 2013 #555

"Pride parades promote homosexuality" Prism Nov 2013 #375

Her previous posts show that she is very comfortable with it. last1standing Nov 2013 #378

Where did she link to those sites? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #398

Wander around in the Feminism Group, you'll find plenty of them. last1standing Nov 2013 #401

You accused her personally of posting from homophobic sites. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #408

Ah! I see, you have no desire to look for the facts, you just want to attack. last1standing Nov 2013 #412

I just provided the one HOF post where I cited any sources BainsBane Nov 2013 #416

Nothing is incumbent upon me when it comes from you. last1standing Nov 2013 #420

So you admit you fabricated that claim? BainsBane Nov 2013 #421

I admit that you post very disturbing comments. last1standing Nov 2013 #424

So that's a yes BainsBane Nov 2013 #429

That's a Yes... last1standing Nov 2013 #434

Then provide text and links to what is so disturbing BainsBane Nov 2013 #438

Everything you're written is disturbing. last1standing Nov 2013 #442

Let me try again BainsBane Nov 2013 #446

Let me try again. last1standing Nov 2013 #448

It seems clear you did not read my last post BainsBane Nov 2013 #450

It seems clear you did not read your own post. last1standing Nov 2013 #451

I've made those points repeatedly BainsBane Nov 2013 #452

Since you couldn't resist spitting venom we can go back to the same old.... last1standing Nov 2013 #453

It is increasingly clear to me that you define hate and venom BainsBane Nov 2013 #455

In future I'll define it by linking to your posts. last1standing Nov 2013 #456

Which you have been asked to do repeatedly to back up your allegations BainsBane Nov 2013 #457

LOL! I love the fact that you're so bothered by that. last1standing Nov 2013 #461

Oh, I see what the venom was BainsBane Nov 2013 #460

No, you made a deliberate attempt to be hateful when I was trying to discuss issues. last1standing Nov 2013 #462

You personally are the repository of all feminist issues? BainsBane Nov 2013 #463

Nope. That's why I wanted to discuss them. last1standing Nov 2013 #465

Where did I ever say women should be "directed by my decree" BainsBane Nov 2013 #474

Seriously, thank you for writing that as I agree with some of it and see more as miscommunication. last1standing Nov 2013 #517

... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #467

You were the only one, huh? last1standing Nov 2013 #469

I have no dog in this fight. I only wanted you to see the kind of remarks your comments ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #471

This entire subthread probably should be removed. last1standing Nov 2013 #472

I participated in a jury on a comment. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #473

How about $100 to an anti-slavery group? BainsBane Nov 2013 #476

I give you my honest word I am playing no game. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #418

I didn't say she was. I said she is comfortable with homophobic researchers and sites. last1standing Nov 2013 #422

I am not going to search for this. It is clear you are not going to provide the link which you hrmjustin Nov 2013 #425

Ok. Goodbye. last1standing Nov 2013 #435

So sorry. I missed one: Mother Jones BainsBane Nov 2013 #419

Here is the one post in HOF in which I linked to sources over the past several days BainsBane Nov 2013 #415

Not just there, GD too just yesterday Major Nikon Nov 2013 #527

Hold on. Are you actually equating a pride parade with rape? BainsBane Nov 2013 #384

What I said was precise and clear Prism Nov 2013 #388

So if I don't like rape and rape culture? BainsBane Nov 2013 #391

I'm not reading your post since the first two sentences are dishonest. Prism Nov 2013 #399

If you are not going to read my responses, don't answer BainsBane Nov 2013 #404

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Nov 2013 #392

Well, there is also a thread BainsBane Nov 2013 #395

Are there any prominent anti-pornographers who AREN'T sex negative? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #383

Quite a list and we see some of them quoted here on a regular basis maddezmom Nov 2013 #385

What complete crap BainsBane Nov 2013 #393

I noticed you couldn't come up with any names Major Nikon Nov 2013 #397

BainsBane BainsBane Nov 2013 #400

That's not a name, nor are you prominent anywhere other than here (if that) Major Nikon Nov 2013 #402

So you're not actually interested in what members here think? BainsBane Nov 2013 #406

I asked a question, you have yet to directly answer it Major Nikon Nov 2013 #426

You are painting feminists here as sex negative BainsBane Nov 2013 #437

I'm painting THOSE feminists as sex negative Major Nikon Nov 2013 #443

So your post was essentially irrelevant to the OP BainsBane Nov 2013 #454

"Are there any prominent anti-pornographers who AREN'T sex negative?" Why does it matter kwassa Nov 2013 #440

I asked a question that matters to me Major Nikon Nov 2013 #444

It is off point and it doesn't matter, which is the only rational answer to your query. kwassa Nov 2013 #449

As do we all hopefully Major Nikon Nov 2013 #459

You asked her to back up her claim so of course you don't think women are human beings. last1standing Nov 2013 #407

Rule #2 xulamaude Nov 2013 #403

Their motives are the same Major Nikon Nov 2013 #417

Claiming that porn poisons the culture, as you say, xulamaude Nov 2013 #447

You just said the same thing Major Nikon Nov 2013 #458

Got me! xulamaude Nov 2013 #464

The religious right opposes modern-day slavery too BainsBane Nov 2013 #475

What's red, hangs on the wall, and whistles? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #481

That was your same argument for rape porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #483

THE MAN IN THE WILDERNESS Major Nikon Nov 2013 #485

Heh.. opiate69 Nov 2013 #487

Hey there! BainsBane Nov 2013 #489

... opiate69 Nov 2013 #495

My favorite show! BainsBane Nov 2013 #497

Fuck.. Did Betelgeuse just go supernova? We actually agree on something?? opiate69 Nov 2013 #498

This is the funniest bit BainsBane Nov 2013 #499

Ahh.. "The Germans". IIRC, TV Guide ranked that episode in the top-10 all time. opiate69 Nov 2013 #503

BTW BainsBane Nov 2013 #504

Can't say as I have.. In all honesty, opiate69 Nov 2013 #506

"Purely accidental" BainsBane Nov 2013 #507

Well, given the history, I don't for a second expect you to believe it. opiate69 Nov 2013 #509

There isn't a bad episode in the series BainsBane Nov 2013 #511

You are consistent, I'll give you that BainsBane Nov 2013 #488

I'm not avoiding discussion, you just don't get it Major Nikon Nov 2013 #490

You could try explaining it slowly BainsBane Nov 2013 #491

Others have tried Major Nikon Nov 2013 #492

I've dealt with his points repeatedly BainsBane Nov 2013 #494

Not talking about him Major Nikon Nov 2013 #500

Right, obfuscation BainsBane Nov 2013 #502

That's it Major Nikon Nov 2013 #505

...Hitler? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #545

I call Godwin Major Nikon Nov 2013 #548

Good luck. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #550

This never happens to progressive feminists. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #433

whatever the reasons I still say stay out of my bedroom. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #477

I don't care what people do in their bedrooms nor do I make a judgment on most porn. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #396

False dichotomy Scootaloo Nov 2013 #410

You make me want to watch that My Little Pony show BainsBane Nov 2013 #493

Don't expect an homage to Coppola's "The Conversation".... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #535

I wonder why so many people are into it? BainsBane Nov 2013 #542

There's a documentary about the Brony culture out there that turned up on Logo ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #544

All sounds pretty harmless to me BainsBane Nov 2013 #546

I don't like pornography, but even with my position, I view many on DU bluestate10 Nov 2013 #427

To answer your question on subject alone: no. No we can't. flvegan Nov 2013 #439

Right? ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #468

Aww, thank you. flvegan Nov 2013 #484

Is it pornography when loving exhibitionistic couples broadcast live video of their love making? Kablooie Nov 2013 #445

Looking at the poll - the answer appears to be HELL YES !!! ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #512

So, to recap: No. Not here. Not ever. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #530

My poor thread, just another victim of the great DU rape porn war Kurska Nov 2013 #532

I was in the DU porn wars of '05, '08, '09 and '11 Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #533

To Donny....who loved surfing....and bowling. nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #537

"And what was all that shit about Vietnam? What the FUCK, has anything got to do with Vietnam?" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #541

Why does it seem DU generally has porn wars in years there is no election Kurska Nov 2013 #538

Yeah, for sure. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #540

I think you may be on to something... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #561

Damn, that's a lot of wars to fight... opiate69 Nov 2013 #551

The "Heavy Metal" Soundtrack. Indeed. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #557

'05, I wasn't around here yet. But '08, '09, and especially '11 I remember pretty well. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #560

Hell, I wish one of *my* (admittedly very few) threads would get 500 replies. I'm lucky to get 5. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #559

What does "sex-positive" have to do with pornography, exactly? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #563

Nothing. Not inherently anyway. Which is why the conflation of the two is rather questionable. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #565

See your attitude is exactly what I'm talking about. Kurska Nov 2013 #567

It's the social attitudes around it that are exploitative. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #569

Your perception of social attitudes don't matter a fraction of an iota Kurska Nov 2013 #570

Apparently there are plenty of things you don't get Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #571

You're the one saying society should influence how a woman feels about her private sexual behaviors. Kurska Nov 2013 #573

I'm saying society does, in fact. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #574

I find it laughable you think a woman's private, consensual and enjoyable sex becomes exploitative Kurska Nov 2013 #576

You're arguing that pornography and the attitudes around gender roles and sexuality it expresses... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #578

I'm arguing that blanket statements on whether a woman should feel exploited or not based on the Kurska Nov 2013 #581

Except you're moving the goalposts, and arguing a point I didn't make. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #583

Oh my lord, I'm seriously questioning if you even read what you write. Kurska Nov 2013 #584

It isn't necessary to "feel" something for it to be the case. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #585

And if something is the case and you don't "feel it", you're wrong Kurska Nov 2013 #586

Hah. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #587

"no, they aren't" Yes, men are. Kurska Nov 2013 #588

People fuck. People like cameras. People like watching stuff on screens. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #572