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31. As a Liberal Democrat I have a problem with him being 100% anti-choice...

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Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:45 AM

Nov 2013

...even the case of rape or incest...

Not so wonderful in my book...

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Holy Cow! WHATS UP WITH THIS POPE?! [View all] JaneyVee Nov 2013 OP

It's about time the f'n RCC step up and join other spiritual leaders like the Dalai Lama. nt NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #1

he read and understood the red words in the new testament roguevalley Nov 2013 #93

It's shocking isn't it. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #108

Funny MFrohike Nov 2013 #124

Don't have a Catholic Bible? Redford Nov 2013 #172

"I'm pretty sure" MFrohike Nov 2013 #206

The RCC was preaching about equality and poverty for many years. It was the Church of my youth Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #103

Indeed it was . . . markpkessinger Nov 2013 #140

Anglicans have been preaching this for many years. dotymed Nov 2013 #179

A sign of the times. We are entering the new millenium a decade and a half later than planned. randome Nov 2013 #2

Pope yeoman6987 Nov 2013 #3

He's a Jesuit. GoCubsGo Nov 2013 #4

I agree...the Jesuits were all about social justice back in my day. nt Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #39

Yep. Jesuits generally kick ass and take names. They are the ones that Nay Nov 2013 #99

yays for this Pope! healthcare and communications. The USA needs to catch up with our internet! Sunlei Nov 2013 #5

I'm not usually much JesterCS Nov 2013 #6

Our Democratic leadership should be saying this LittleBlue Nov 2013 #7

Seriously! This is written like a new Liberal Manifesto for the 21st century. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #8

This is the point. We must demand that our elected Democrats speak to these issues Enthusiast Nov 2013 #181

yeah, but fuck him, remember? n/t yodermon Nov 2013 #9

Exactly! Because the poor don't matter; just female priests, gay marriage, and abortion rights. AllTooEasy Nov 2013 #34

You understand that's a two way argument, right? nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #95

No no... MellowDem Nov 2013 #165

he is kicking ass and taking names ZRT2209 Nov 2013 #10

Holy Cow is RIGHT!! AmBlue Nov 2013 #11

He should send the Manifesto to Paul Ryan watoos Nov 2013 #12

+1 treestar Nov 2013 #18

He should send it to OBAMA ! pangaia Nov 2013 #24

Obama isn't Catholic. watoos Nov 2013 #49

I agree 110% with your statement. pangaia Nov 2013 #86

People like Ryan hate the Catholic Church really. glinda Nov 2013 #37

John Boehner's Catholic Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2013 #70

He has no clue there is a new pope. lol SummerSnow Nov 2013 #101

Paul Ryan now worships Ayn Rand. nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #109

He should also send to Michele Bachmann. As a matter of fact...he should send Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #138

last time they had a pope like this demigoddess Nov 2013 #13

I was just thinking that, sadly :/ (nt) Recursion Nov 2013 #16

That worries me too. Cleita Nov 2013 #20

I had that discussion the other day... Historic NY Nov 2013 #87

There was a very interesting... 3catwoman3 Nov 2013 #162

So good Catholics actually have a pope more like John XX111 locks Nov 2013 #14

DING DING! BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #47

And fire or arrest those who have been involved rocktivity Nov 2013 #127

Shoes of the Fisherman anyone? nt tomp Nov 2013 #175

I was thinking the same thing... bullsnarfle Nov 2013 #187

It is a good thing to have a Pope be clearly a liberal on economic issues treestar Nov 2013 #15

Anti-rightwing? Ask him about same sex marriage, abortion, contraceptives, or physician assisted AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #17

I wholeheartedly agree... truebrit71 Nov 2013 #21

Yup. "It is not “progressive” to try to resolve problems by eliminating a human life."... SidDithers Nov 2013 #26

I'm sorry. We'll make sure the next Pope is headlining the NARAL convention. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #51

Pope Photo-Op's very own words about abortion ... SidDithers Nov 2013 #58

Not going to happen, whether you want it to or not. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #73

I know it's not going to happen... SidDithers Nov 2013 #76

Why would anyone expect the Catholic Church to change it's position on abortion? A Simple Game Nov 2013 #78

Curches change their position on stuff all the time. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #85

They did stop burning and drowning witches Paulie Nov 2013 #91

That seems to have been a Roman custom and so may have spread through Europe struggle4progress Nov 2013 #173

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." trotsky Nov 2013 #186

The poster, to whom I responded, suggested that burning "witches" was somehow a Catholic notion struggle4progress Nov 2013 #192

Ah, so you aren't disagreeing that witchcraft was a crime and punishable... trotsky Nov 2013 #193

+1 n/t zazen Nov 2013 #153

Because they have in the past. trotsky Nov 2013 #190

you realize that policies tend to fall over two spheres- economic and social. Economically KittyWampus Nov 2013 #50

There are some overlap between the two, as well. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #61

I agree. They still have a long way to go, but.... JaneyVee Nov 2013 #77

Oh good, it's been a few days since the last thread glorifying Pope Photo-Op... SidDithers Nov 2013 #19

So you don't agree with his position on predatory capitalism and what has done to the poor around sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #27

As a Liberal Democrat I have a problem with him being 100% anti-choice... truebrit71 Nov 2013 #31

As a Liberal Democrat I see the huge strides taken by this Pope in just a few months after centuries sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #40

So, if the chairman of the RNC came out against crony capitalism, but kept the rest of the social AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #65

Well said Stuckinthebush Nov 2013 #100

Are you advocating that the millions of Catholics who are Democrats LEAVE the Party? I am glad sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #116

Not even close. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #117

You always say the right thing! Enthusiast Nov 2013 #110

Good response. The pope is addressing the core teachings of Jesus. olegramps Nov 2013 #188

LOOK, he's the Pope. There may be many areas of DISagreement - but Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #144

"I think it's wonderful to have a pope who dares to take on the Criminal Global Corporations"... Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #33

You appear to be very obsessed with slamming any good this Pope is trying to do. And contrary to sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #42

As a member of the LGBT community, I have every right to. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #63

As a woman I could ignore the baby steps also but choose to applaud even the tiny steps taken by sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #112

So you want me to applaud him for doing what he's supposed to be doing as a religious leader? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #113

Yes, because so few of them do what they are supposed to do once they achieve positions of power. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #123

He's taking a stand on nothing. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #133

He is taking a huge stand. Clearly you would prefer that he support the old status quo. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #197

Relax. This is 840high Nov 2013 #146

"Good" is subjective. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #147

I don't agree with his position on the status of women... SidDithers Nov 2013 #41

That wasn't my question. I'm pleased, as a Liberal Democratic Woman with what he did say to the sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #44

Oh, you asked me a question?... SidDithers Nov 2013 #48

My, SidDithers being a purist. rug Nov 2013 #52

Oh dear, the Host of DU's Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity Group hating on Papal critics... SidDithers Nov 2013 #55

You misunderstand. I am quite amused. rug Nov 2013 #57

cheap shot there Sid irisblue Nov 2013 #149

What about the post I was replying to?...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #151

Shocking, isn't it? cordelia Nov 2013 #178

I didn't expect you to answer it and fully expected the response I got. But I'm an optimist and keep sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #88

If the Pope moved into a cancer ward, Sid would call it a photo op. rug Nov 2013 #102

The day the Pope performs a same-sex marriage is the day I'll sing his praises... SidDithers Nov 2013 #114

No you won't. You'll call it a photo op. rug Nov 2013 #115

You're right, it's a hypothetical that will never come to pass. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #118

Bookmarked. rug Nov 2013 #120

When the catholic church reverses its position on same sex marriage, abortion, and euthanasia AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #122

What's more important to you, the doctrine or the civil law? rug Nov 2013 #125

The doctrine, because it represents millions of dollars and millions of votes in opposition to AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #128

So, do you think it should be outlawed? rug Nov 2013 #131

Please, i've posted the donation totals from catholic church leadership on issues before. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #132

It's lobby has been dismally ineffective then. rug Nov 2013 #134

I object to bigoted, right-wing, horrible, regressive, misogynist , sexist, homophobic beliefs. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #135

And the law now is . . . . what? rug Nov 2013 #137

In my state, and three others, it's allowed now. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #169

Just a detail but... JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #196

There is. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #198

I guess I went to unusual churches. JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #205

Which is worse? Opposing same-sex marriage MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #136

Is it one or the other for the Catholic Church?... SidDithers Nov 2013 #150

Do you support wealthy people who hoard wealth, MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #161

You mean like the Catholic Church has hoarded it's treasure for hundreds of years?... SidDithers Nov 2013 #163

Yes, like that. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #166

Lol, so true! n/t sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #148

+1000 Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #64

I imagine many people feel the visceral desire to equate the approval of a statement and glorifying LanternWaste Nov 2013 #53

Awwww....Sid has a sad. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #69

I'm constantly amazed by the alleged progressives that give cover to an homophobic, bigoted... SidDithers Nov 2013 #74

We are not giving cover to his homophobia, bigotry, or misogyny. yodermon Nov 2013 #80

I'm just the opposite... SidDithers Nov 2013 #82

So you do disagree with him taking on the greedy, destructive, money hoarders who collapsed the sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #199

"So you..." again... SidDithers Nov 2013 #201

This is not a matter of personality. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #119

Alleged? Who is making the allegation, MIRT-boi? DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #121

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #164

+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #182

Still have that phobia about funny hats then? Riftaxe Nov 2013 #126

I didn't realize it was required that you read every single post rpannier Nov 2013 #185

Holy Cow and Holy Moly and Holy Pope ! pangaia Nov 2013 #22

It sounds like it's directly aimed at Reaganomics and all those Republican Catholics he views as sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #30

Now if only our 'elected democrats' would stand up and tell the truth. pangaia Nov 2013 #35

Yes. Democrats hardly mention that supply side has been an utter failure. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #183

lol! glinda Nov 2013 #157

Message alert for the Paul Ryans of this world Zambero Nov 2013 #23

Perhaps he will adhere to the anti choice and anit gay parts and call it a day? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #43

This is actually quite interesting, seeing how people get sucked into religiosity snooper2 Nov 2013 #25

I doubt anyone will change their religion or non-religion based on what this Pope says. randome Nov 2013 #28

Did he empty all the church coffers and give that money to the poor? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #29

I like what he is saying, but... devils chaplain Nov 2013 #32

K&R. I admire this Pope, it's exciting to see how he's changing the narrative. polly7 Nov 2013 #36

Those are his words, his actions are sitting atop billions in treasure and vast global holdings Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #38

Holy Mowly! ReRe Nov 2013 #45

True Catholic theology is a lot less conservative than one might think. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #46

Now that is the Church that I was brought up under. Bravo for Francis. glinda Nov 2013 #155

What's up? He continues to shelter tens of thousands of serial torturers and child rapists... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #54

While this is encouraging MynameisBlarney Nov 2013 #56

Pope Frank just might be the awesomest pope in the history of popery paulkienitz Nov 2013 #59

Well, if Sarah Palin, Bill Donohue and Pat Buchanan were upset before... Rozlee Nov 2013 #60

Meh. Benedict made a similar speech(es), railing against "the scandal of glaring inequalities." SunSeeker Nov 2013 #62

Well said... SidDithers Nov 2013 #67

Agreed. And it'll be completely ignored by the apologists. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #129

I hate that he's making me listen to him graywarrior Nov 2013 #66

keep moving to the left, Pops.. Shankapotomus Nov 2013 #68

One good thing of this is that we need people in high places to challenge the morality of Capitalism AZ Progressive Nov 2013 #71

I agree with these points 100% :) grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #72

Supply side capitalist knew it wouldn't trickle down, there wasn't any doubt it wouldn't work as alfredo Nov 2013 #75

Fox News colbertforpresident Nov 2013 #79

Bill Donahue's head will splode. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #111

While I love the words he spoke. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #81

This Pope is a REAL Christian. The "Religious" Right will not be amused! JEFF9K Nov 2013 #83

An excellent wedge issue IMO Populist_Prole Nov 2013 #98

Indeed. He seems to be very much about things they don't believe in. calimary Nov 2013 #139

**** NCarolinawoman Nov 2013 #174

Oh? Do REAL Christians oppose LGBT equality? trotsky Nov 2013 #202

He is VA_Jill Nov 2013 #84

I like him shenmue Nov 2013 #89

It's hard for me to believe I'm Rec-ing a post about the POPE bread_and_roses Nov 2013 #90

Maybe he buys into the prophecy that he's the last pope crim son Nov 2013 #92

Thank you God! lark Nov 2013 #94

Keep on keeping on, Sir, and long life to you Hekate Nov 2013 #96

A moral blitskrieg PATRICK Nov 2013 #97

This Pope IS showing that Christianity does not equal Right Wing, and... AZ Progressive Nov 2013 #104

I'm loving this Pope! OnionPatch Nov 2013 #105

I Blame Obama! Or Van Jones. They turned Francis into a Commie! freshwest Nov 2013 #106

The Pope's views are only right Enthusiast Nov 2013 #107

If he keeps this sh*t up Caretha Nov 2013 #130

It's about time a Pope talked as if he cared about what Jesus would do! DrewFlorida Nov 2013 #141

How refreshing... He actually sounds very bright and grounded... madisongrace Nov 2013 #142

Sez again, I like that guy. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #143

This IS Catholicism Gman Nov 2013 #145

+1 glinda Nov 2013 #156

I had no idea that a pope would ever criticize a capitalist for screwing the poor. SDjack Nov 2013 #152

He has sold his own stuff and donated the proceeds to the poor. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #200

The use of the phrase "trickle down" is very striking. BlueCheese Nov 2013 #154

Agree. The use of "trickle down" was very telling and deliberate. NCarolinawoman Nov 2013 #167

perhaps he actually is trying to be a true christian lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #158

Cometh the hour, cometh the man... bhikkhu Nov 2013 #159

Finished reading most of it rpannier Nov 2013 #160

Breath of fresh air listening to this man. geomon666 Nov 2013 #168

Looks as if he's decided to live by "What would Jesus do," knowing that exclusion hurts the church. ancianita Nov 2013 #170

I am not Catholic but hopefully more religious leaders follow suit. appleannie1 Nov 2013 #171

Until,the next Pope. GeorgeGist Nov 2013 #176

Tithe must have dropped off XRubicon Nov 2013 #177

Yup. MichiganVote Nov 2013 #191

If he was to take on the name of Francis, then he has to live it and has decided to do so. mmonk Nov 2013 #180

Economic power is opposed to religious power mathematic Nov 2013 #184

Explain this Catholic Paul Ryan (I'm Catholic too) MRDAWG Nov 2013 #189

wow arely staircase Nov 2013 #194

He seems to be a true believer and close follower of Jesus' teachings tavalon Nov 2013 #195

Last pope said the same things. Funny that. NYC Liberal Nov 2013 #203

Apparently not elected by corporations moondust Nov 2013 #204