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SidDithers

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41. I don't agree with his position on the status of women...

Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:00 PM

Nov 2013

on his denying women full control of their reproductive rights, on his position denying full and equal human rights to LGBTs, or on his position that secularism leads to moral relativism and is the cause of what he sees as "cultural challenges".

His decidedly non-liberal positions give me reason, as a liberal, to criticize him as much as I want to.

Funny that you choose to completely ignore his very conservative social positions because you happen to agree with some of his economic opinions. Me? I'd rather get economic opinions from someone like Krugman, whose positions don't come with centuries worth of bigotry, misogyny and homophobia attached.

As I've said over and over. Pope Photo-Op has a great PR team that has got millions around the globe fooled into believing that he's some sort of progressive messiah. He might be the most progressive Pope ever, but that's not saying much.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/a-wolf-in-popes-clothing-francis-is-not-the-progressive-man-he-has-been-made-out-to-be-8851316.html

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Holy Cow! WHATS UP WITH THIS POPE?! [View all] JaneyVee Nov 2013 OP

It's about time the f'n RCC step up and join other spiritual leaders like the Dalai Lama. nt NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #1

he read and understood the red words in the new testament roguevalley Nov 2013 #93

It's shocking isn't it. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #108

Funny MFrohike Nov 2013 #124

Don't have a Catholic Bible? Redford Nov 2013 #172

"I'm pretty sure" MFrohike Nov 2013 #206

The RCC was preaching about equality and poverty for many years. It was the Church of my youth Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #103

Indeed it was . . . markpkessinger Nov 2013 #140

Anglicans have been preaching this for many years. dotymed Nov 2013 #179

A sign of the times. We are entering the new millenium a decade and a half later than planned. randome Nov 2013 #2

Pope yeoman6987 Nov 2013 #3

He's a Jesuit. GoCubsGo Nov 2013 #4

I agree...the Jesuits were all about social justice back in my day. nt Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #39

Yep. Jesuits generally kick ass and take names. They are the ones that Nay Nov 2013 #99

yays for this Pope! healthcare and communications. The USA needs to catch up with our internet! Sunlei Nov 2013 #5

I'm not usually much JesterCS Nov 2013 #6

Our Democratic leadership should be saying this LittleBlue Nov 2013 #7

Seriously! This is written like a new Liberal Manifesto for the 21st century. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #8

This is the point. We must demand that our elected Democrats speak to these issues Enthusiast Nov 2013 #181

yeah, but fuck him, remember? n/t yodermon Nov 2013 #9

Exactly! Because the poor don't matter; just female priests, gay marriage, and abortion rights. AllTooEasy Nov 2013 #34

You understand that's a two way argument, right? nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #95

No no... MellowDem Nov 2013 #165

he is kicking ass and taking names ZRT2209 Nov 2013 #10

Holy Cow is RIGHT!! AmBlue Nov 2013 #11

He should send the Manifesto to Paul Ryan watoos Nov 2013 #12

+1 treestar Nov 2013 #18

He should send it to OBAMA ! pangaia Nov 2013 #24

Obama isn't Catholic. watoos Nov 2013 #49

I agree 110% with your statement. pangaia Nov 2013 #86

People like Ryan hate the Catholic Church really. glinda Nov 2013 #37

John Boehner's Catholic Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2013 #70

He has no clue there is a new pope. lol SummerSnow Nov 2013 #101

Paul Ryan now worships Ayn Rand. nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #109

He should also send to Michele Bachmann. As a matter of fact...he should send Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #138

last time they had a pope like this demigoddess Nov 2013 #13

I was just thinking that, sadly :/ (nt) Recursion Nov 2013 #16

That worries me too. Cleita Nov 2013 #20

I had that discussion the other day... Historic NY Nov 2013 #87

There was a very interesting... 3catwoman3 Nov 2013 #162

So good Catholics actually have a pope more like John XX111 locks Nov 2013 #14

DING DING! BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #47

And fire or arrest those who have been involved rocktivity Nov 2013 #127

Shoes of the Fisherman anyone? nt tomp Nov 2013 #175

I was thinking the same thing... bullsnarfle Nov 2013 #187

It is a good thing to have a Pope be clearly a liberal on economic issues treestar Nov 2013 #15

Anti-rightwing? Ask him about same sex marriage, abortion, contraceptives, or physician assisted AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #17

I wholeheartedly agree... truebrit71 Nov 2013 #21

Yup. "It is not “progressive” to try to resolve problems by eliminating a human life."... SidDithers Nov 2013 #26

I'm sorry. We'll make sure the next Pope is headlining the NARAL convention. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #51

Pope Photo-Op's very own words about abortion ... SidDithers Nov 2013 #58

Not going to happen, whether you want it to or not. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #73

I know it's not going to happen... SidDithers Nov 2013 #76

Why would anyone expect the Catholic Church to change it's position on abortion? A Simple Game Nov 2013 #78

Curches change their position on stuff all the time. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #85

They did stop burning and drowning witches Paulie Nov 2013 #91

That seems to have been a Roman custom and so may have spread through Europe struggle4progress Nov 2013 #173

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." trotsky Nov 2013 #186

The poster, to whom I responded, suggested that burning "witches" was somehow a Catholic notion struggle4progress Nov 2013 #192

Ah, so you aren't disagreeing that witchcraft was a crime and punishable... trotsky Nov 2013 #193

+1 n/t zazen Nov 2013 #153

Because they have in the past. trotsky Nov 2013 #190

you realize that policies tend to fall over two spheres- economic and social. Economically KittyWampus Nov 2013 #50

There are some overlap between the two, as well. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #61

I agree. They still have a long way to go, but.... JaneyVee Nov 2013 #77

Oh good, it's been a few days since the last thread glorifying Pope Photo-Op... SidDithers Nov 2013 #19

So you don't agree with his position on predatory capitalism and what has done to the poor around sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #27

As a Liberal Democrat I have a problem with him being 100% anti-choice... truebrit71 Nov 2013 #31

As a Liberal Democrat I see the huge strides taken by this Pope in just a few months after centuries sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #40

So, if the chairman of the RNC came out against crony capitalism, but kept the rest of the social AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #65

Well said Stuckinthebush Nov 2013 #100

Are you advocating that the millions of Catholics who are Democrats LEAVE the Party? I am glad sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #116

Not even close. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #117

You always say the right thing! Enthusiast Nov 2013 #110

Good response. The pope is addressing the core teachings of Jesus. olegramps Nov 2013 #188

LOOK, he's the Pope. There may be many areas of DISagreement - but Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #144

"I think it's wonderful to have a pope who dares to take on the Criminal Global Corporations"... Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #33

You appear to be very obsessed with slamming any good this Pope is trying to do. And contrary to sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #42

As a member of the LGBT community, I have every right to. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #63

As a woman I could ignore the baby steps also but choose to applaud even the tiny steps taken by sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #112

So you want me to applaud him for doing what he's supposed to be doing as a religious leader? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #113

Yes, because so few of them do what they are supposed to do once they achieve positions of power. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #123

He's taking a stand on nothing. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #133

He is taking a huge stand. Clearly you would prefer that he support the old status quo. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #197

Relax. This is 840high Nov 2013 #146

"Good" is subjective. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #147

I don't agree with his position on the status of women... SidDithers Nov 2013 #41

That wasn't my question. I'm pleased, as a Liberal Democratic Woman with what he did say to the sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #44

Oh, you asked me a question?... SidDithers Nov 2013 #48

My, SidDithers being a purist. rug Nov 2013 #52

Oh dear, the Host of DU's Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity Group hating on Papal critics... SidDithers Nov 2013 #55

You misunderstand. I am quite amused. rug Nov 2013 #57

cheap shot there Sid irisblue Nov 2013 #149

What about the post I was replying to?...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #151

Shocking, isn't it? cordelia Nov 2013 #178

I didn't expect you to answer it and fully expected the response I got. But I'm an optimist and keep sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #88

If the Pope moved into a cancer ward, Sid would call it a photo op. rug Nov 2013 #102

The day the Pope performs a same-sex marriage is the day I'll sing his praises... SidDithers Nov 2013 #114

No you won't. You'll call it a photo op. rug Nov 2013 #115

You're right, it's a hypothetical that will never come to pass. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #118

Bookmarked. rug Nov 2013 #120

When the catholic church reverses its position on same sex marriage, abortion, and euthanasia AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #122

What's more important to you, the doctrine or the civil law? rug Nov 2013 #125

The doctrine, because it represents millions of dollars and millions of votes in opposition to AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #128

So, do you think it should be outlawed? rug Nov 2013 #131

Please, i've posted the donation totals from catholic church leadership on issues before. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #132

It's lobby has been dismally ineffective then. rug Nov 2013 #134

I object to bigoted, right-wing, horrible, regressive, misogynist , sexist, homophobic beliefs. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #135

And the law now is . . . . what? rug Nov 2013 #137

In my state, and three others, it's allowed now. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #169

Just a detail but... JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #196

There is. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #198

I guess I went to unusual churches. JNelson6563 Nov 2013 #205

Which is worse? Opposing same-sex marriage MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #136

Is it one or the other for the Catholic Church?... SidDithers Nov 2013 #150

Do you support wealthy people who hoard wealth, MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #161

You mean like the Catholic Church has hoarded it's treasure for hundreds of years?... SidDithers Nov 2013 #163

Yes, like that. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #166

Lol, so true! n/t sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #148

+1000 Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #64

I imagine many people feel the visceral desire to equate the approval of a statement and glorifying LanternWaste Nov 2013 #53

Awwww....Sid has a sad. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #69

I'm constantly amazed by the alleged progressives that give cover to an homophobic, bigoted... SidDithers Nov 2013 #74

We are not giving cover to his homophobia, bigotry, or misogyny. yodermon Nov 2013 #80

I'm just the opposite... SidDithers Nov 2013 #82

So you do disagree with him taking on the greedy, destructive, money hoarders who collapsed the sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #199

"So you..." again... SidDithers Nov 2013 #201

This is not a matter of personality. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #119

Alleged? Who is making the allegation, MIRT-boi? DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #121

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #164

+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #182

Still have that phobia about funny hats then? Riftaxe Nov 2013 #126

I didn't realize it was required that you read every single post rpannier Nov 2013 #185

Holy Cow and Holy Moly and Holy Pope ! pangaia Nov 2013 #22

It sounds like it's directly aimed at Reaganomics and all those Republican Catholics he views as sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #30

Now if only our 'elected democrats' would stand up and tell the truth. pangaia Nov 2013 #35

Yes. Democrats hardly mention that supply side has been an utter failure. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #183

lol! glinda Nov 2013 #157

Message alert for the Paul Ryans of this world Zambero Nov 2013 #23

Perhaps he will adhere to the anti choice and anit gay parts and call it a day? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #43

This is actually quite interesting, seeing how people get sucked into religiosity snooper2 Nov 2013 #25

I doubt anyone will change their religion or non-religion based on what this Pope says. randome Nov 2013 #28

Did he empty all the church coffers and give that money to the poor? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #29

I like what he is saying, but... devils chaplain Nov 2013 #32

K&R. I admire this Pope, it's exciting to see how he's changing the narrative. polly7 Nov 2013 #36

Those are his words, his actions are sitting atop billions in treasure and vast global holdings Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #38

Holy Mowly! ReRe Nov 2013 #45

True Catholic theology is a lot less conservative than one might think. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #46

Now that is the Church that I was brought up under. Bravo for Francis. glinda Nov 2013 #155

What's up? He continues to shelter tens of thousands of serial torturers and child rapists... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #54

While this is encouraging MynameisBlarney Nov 2013 #56

Pope Frank just might be the awesomest pope in the history of popery paulkienitz Nov 2013 #59

Well, if Sarah Palin, Bill Donohue and Pat Buchanan were upset before... Rozlee Nov 2013 #60

Meh. Benedict made a similar speech(es), railing against "the scandal of glaring inequalities." SunSeeker Nov 2013 #62

Well said... SidDithers Nov 2013 #67

Agreed. And it'll be completely ignored by the apologists. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #129

I hate that he's making me listen to him graywarrior Nov 2013 #66

keep moving to the left, Pops.. Shankapotomus Nov 2013 #68

One good thing of this is that we need people in high places to challenge the morality of Capitalism AZ Progressive Nov 2013 #71

I agree with these points 100% :) grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #72

Supply side capitalist knew it wouldn't trickle down, there wasn't any doubt it wouldn't work as alfredo Nov 2013 #75

Fox News colbertforpresident Nov 2013 #79

Bill Donahue's head will splode. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #111

While I love the words he spoke. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #81

This Pope is a REAL Christian. The "Religious" Right will not be amused! JEFF9K Nov 2013 #83

An excellent wedge issue IMO Populist_Prole Nov 2013 #98

Indeed. He seems to be very much about things they don't believe in. calimary Nov 2013 #139

**** NCarolinawoman Nov 2013 #174

Oh? Do REAL Christians oppose LGBT equality? trotsky Nov 2013 #202

He is VA_Jill Nov 2013 #84

I like him shenmue Nov 2013 #89

It's hard for me to believe I'm Rec-ing a post about the POPE bread_and_roses Nov 2013 #90

Maybe he buys into the prophecy that he's the last pope crim son Nov 2013 #92

Thank you God! lark Nov 2013 #94

Keep on keeping on, Sir, and long life to you Hekate Nov 2013 #96

A moral blitskrieg PATRICK Nov 2013 #97

This Pope IS showing that Christianity does not equal Right Wing, and... AZ Progressive Nov 2013 #104

I'm loving this Pope! OnionPatch Nov 2013 #105

I Blame Obama! Or Van Jones. They turned Francis into a Commie! freshwest Nov 2013 #106

The Pope's views are only right Enthusiast Nov 2013 #107

If he keeps this sh*t up Caretha Nov 2013 #130

It's about time a Pope talked as if he cared about what Jesus would do! DrewFlorida Nov 2013 #141

How refreshing... He actually sounds very bright and grounded... madisongrace Nov 2013 #142

Sez again, I like that guy. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #143

This IS Catholicism Gman Nov 2013 #145

+1 glinda Nov 2013 #156

I had no idea that a pope would ever criticize a capitalist for screwing the poor. SDjack Nov 2013 #152

He has sold his own stuff and donated the proceeds to the poor. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #200

The use of the phrase "trickle down" is very striking. BlueCheese Nov 2013 #154

Agree. The use of "trickle down" was very telling and deliberate. NCarolinawoman Nov 2013 #167

perhaps he actually is trying to be a true christian lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #158

Cometh the hour, cometh the man... bhikkhu Nov 2013 #159

Finished reading most of it rpannier Nov 2013 #160

Breath of fresh air listening to this man. geomon666 Nov 2013 #168

Looks as if he's decided to live by "What would Jesus do," knowing that exclusion hurts the church. ancianita Nov 2013 #170

I am not Catholic but hopefully more religious leaders follow suit. appleannie1 Nov 2013 #171

Until,the next Pope. GeorgeGist Nov 2013 #176

Tithe must have dropped off XRubicon Nov 2013 #177

Yup. MichiganVote Nov 2013 #191

If he was to take on the name of Francis, then he has to live it and has decided to do so. mmonk Nov 2013 #180

Economic power is opposed to religious power mathematic Nov 2013 #184

Explain this Catholic Paul Ryan (I'm Catholic too) MRDAWG Nov 2013 #189

wow arely staircase Nov 2013 #194

He seems to be a true believer and close follower of Jesus' teachings tavalon Nov 2013 #195

Last pope said the same things. Funny that. NYC Liberal Nov 2013 #203

Apparently not elected by corporations moondust Nov 2013 #204