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In reply to the discussion: The 5 Stupidest Habits You Develop Growing Up Poor [View all]lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)100. I'm talking about the OP.
The "life skill" that when you get a check for $5000 in January 30th, you should still have some of it on February 1st. To people with "stupid habits" like the author, doubling the EITC would have no practical benefit. Without dealing with the underlying psychology and skills deficit, it would be impractical to shovel enough money at the problem.
The author uses the example of the penniless lottery winner.
When a windfall check is dropped in your lap, you don't know how to handle it. Instead of thinking, "This will cover our rent and bills for half a year," you immediately jump to all the things you've been meaning to get, but couldn't afford on your regular income. If you don't buy it right now, you know that the money will slowly bleed away to everyday life over the course of the next few months, leaving you with nothing to show for it. Don't misunderstand me here, it's never a "greed" thing. It's a panic thing. "We have to spend this before it disappears."
Once You Escape ...
Have you heard those stories about lottery winners who are bankrupt within a year or two, despite winning millions? That's because they can't turn that off. They can't shake the idea that the money is perishable.
And I'm not going to lie, if I had an unexpected check show up right now, I'd drop all of that fucker right into a new car and a computer for my kids. But for the most part, I've kept my head clear where those rare pockets of money are involved. My truck broke down last week, and for the first time, I was able to get it fixed without having to call my friends for a loan. The reason is because I've learned to manage that money a little better and not spend it in a blind panic when I fall into some.
Once You Escape ...
Have you heard those stories about lottery winners who are bankrupt within a year or two, despite winning millions? That's because they can't turn that off. They can't shake the idea that the money is perishable.
And I'm not going to lie, if I had an unexpected check show up right now, I'd drop all of that fucker right into a new car and a computer for my kids. But for the most part, I've kept my head clear where those rare pockets of money are involved. My truck broke down last week, and for the first time, I was able to get it fixed without having to call my friends for a loan. The reason is because I've learned to manage that money a little better and not spend it in a blind panic when I fall into some.
The mythology surrounding "the poor" from both right (they are poor and should be ashamed because they are morally deficient) and the left (they are helpless pawns in their own lives and have no agency over their own spending habits and choices) are equally destructive. In fact, I'd suggest that at least some poor people have probably been inspired to improve their circumstances through shaming in a way that rationalizing and excusing has not.
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It's not like the rich'll suffer one iota. Geez. Keeping so much for no reason is wrong. nt
valerief
Nov 2013
#15
Rich people should have given of their fortunes not hoarded vast amounts of wealth.
655351
Nov 2013
#19
I give people more room or rope than you do. I like to be sure cause I can be fooled.
BlueJazz
Nov 2013
#69
Partially agree but it can be said that Wealth used to destroy the happiness of the populace....
BlueJazz
Nov 2013
#55
the spelling passes the smell test, but not the grammar or sentence structure.
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#161
Exactly. Many of us were "middle class" until we lost our jobs and can't get back in the labor
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#24
It's funny how the rich don't need life skills, they have connections and money to handle that.
Sirveri
Nov 2013
#96
If you can't magick up more $ though, your still faced with the same choices
riderinthestorm
Nov 2013
#8
I know a lot of people with solid middle-class incomes that have the same problem.
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#172
You'd also be a good choice for a teacher. A been there - done that kind of guy...
Tigress DEM
Nov 2013
#182
Ruby Payne is a twisted perspective on poverty that comforts middle class folks.
LuckyLib
Nov 2013
#156
You make a good point. We behave in ways that help us adapt to our social and financial reality.
LuckyLib
Nov 2013
#191
I'm unable to connect the act of a teacher acknowledging their own privilege
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#192
apparently the problem with Ruby Payne's claims is that they aren't actually
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#164
I'm extremely poor. I work as an adjunct professor, have an M.S. and nearly a PhD in a hard science
enki23
Nov 2013
#54
20 years ago everything you have done, would have made you successful already.
Tigress DEM
Nov 2013
#184
No, I get that you're just trying to be an infuriating ass. I understand that, I promise you.
enki23
Nov 2013
#194
What good are fucking skills if there are no jobs to be had? What, we need to
ChisolmTrailDem
Nov 2013
#91
Alternatively, you could actually read the article and find out why you're wrong.
jeff47
Nov 2013
#109
You're the one calling them morons and idiots. Three times now, by my count. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#127
If you give a man a fish, you'll feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you'll feed him
Dash87
Nov 2013
#122
Grew up in a poor community; parents and relatives squeezed every nickle until the buffalo shit
FarCenter
Nov 2013
#6
it's a great idea for urban planning. good luck on your presentation.
BlancheSplanchnik
Nov 2013
#162
So life skills are okay, provided we mix a bunch of "save the whales" into the curriculum?
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#104
I'm simply stating that giving people who have given up hope some inspiration works.
Tigress DEM
Nov 2013
#180
I understand what you are saying, but here is what I have been told:
left on green only
Nov 2013
#77
The Cooperative Extension Service - there's one in every country - teaches most of the skills
Hestia
Nov 2013
#68
That's my point. He blew through more money than any of us could have & people kept handing him more
Tigress DEM
Nov 2013
#97
K/R and I spent some time in Hawaii this month talking about this topic specifically.
NYC_SKP
Nov 2013
#45
It's the failure to see the long term cost of refusing what's called "upfront" preventive spending.
ancianita
Nov 2013
#144
The myth of the massive tax return and the blowing of same exists only in the heads of the non-poor.
Spitfire of ATJ
Nov 2013
#146
This missed the worst habit of them all. Habit #0, ahead of all these. Self-blame, self-loathing.
AtheistCrusader
Nov 2013
#155
I don't think so, this time. Of course the replies have been pretty well
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2013
#166