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lumberjack_jeff

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100. I'm talking about the OP.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:37 AM
Nov 2013

The "life skill" that when you get a check for $5000 in January 30th, you should still have some of it on February 1st. To people with "stupid habits" like the author, doubling the EITC would have no practical benefit. Without dealing with the underlying psychology and skills deficit, it would be impractical to shovel enough money at the problem.

The author uses the example of the penniless lottery winner.

When a windfall check is dropped in your lap, you don't know how to handle it. Instead of thinking, "This will cover our rent and bills for half a year," you immediately jump to all the things you've been meaning to get, but couldn't afford on your regular income. If you don't buy it right now, you know that the money will slowly bleed away to everyday life over the course of the next few months, leaving you with nothing to show for it. Don't misunderstand me here, it's never a "greed" thing. It's a panic thing. "We have to spend this before it disappears."

Once You Escape ...

Have you heard those stories about lottery winners who are bankrupt within a year or two, despite winning millions? That's because they can't turn that off. They can't shake the idea that the money is perishable.

And I'm not going to lie, if I had an unexpected check show up right now, I'd drop all of that fucker right into a new car and a computer for my kids. But for the most part, I've kept my head clear where those rare pockets of money are involved. My truck broke down last week, and for the first time, I was able to get it fixed without having to call my friends for a loan. The reason is because I've learned to manage that money a little better and not spend it in a blind panic when I fall into some.


The mythology surrounding "the poor" from both right (they are poor and should be ashamed because they are morally deficient) and the left (they are helpless pawns in their own lives and have no agency over their own spending habits and choices) are equally destructive. In fact, I'd suggest that at least some poor people have probably been inspired to improve their circumstances through shaming in a way that rationalizing and excusing has not.

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I know I'm going to get shit for this... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #1
No poor people need money. 655351 Nov 2013 #2
Seriously? Just take peoples' things? nolabear Nov 2013 #5
It's not like the rich'll suffer one iota. Geez. Keeping so much for no reason is wrong. nt valerief Nov 2013 #15
Rich people should have given of their fortunes not hoarded vast amounts of wealth. 655351 Nov 2013 #19
I cannot see through you Skittles Nov 2013 #47
Yeh--We got a live one here. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #49
that one is not Skittles-worthy Skittles Nov 2013 #51
I think she/he has a point or I'm seeing something that's not there. BlueJazz Nov 2013 #57
hey I'll post what I think sounds like LIBERALS and SEE WHAT HAPPENS Skittles Nov 2013 #63
I give people more room or rope than you do. I like to be sure cause I can be fooled. BlueJazz Nov 2013 #69
those people are correct Skittles Nov 2013 #71
*snort!* nolabear Nov 2013 #74
ever noticed arely staircase Nov 2013 #101
Ya gotta keep the sockpuppets straight SOMEHOW. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #115
Someone did not train this guy well enough murielm99 Nov 2013 #153
actually MOST of them are like that Skittles Nov 2013 #168
dittomasters arely staircase Nov 2013 #185
Partially agree but it can be said that Wealth used to destroy the happiness of the populace.... BlueJazz Nov 2013 #55
Greed is one of the Seven Deadly Sins... Fla_Democrat Nov 2013 #67
*facepalm* You're having me on, aren't you? nolabear Nov 2013 #70
Apparently so Hekate Nov 2013 #95
the spelling passes the smell test, but not the grammar or sentence structure. magical thyme Nov 2013 #161
Exactly. Many of us were "middle class" until we lost our jobs and can't get back in the labor duffyduff Nov 2013 #24
Are you serious? aristocles Nov 2013 #42
Nobody is denied the right to achieve in the US. Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2013 #93
Enjoy your stay Hekate Nov 2013 #94
It's funny how the rich don't need life skills, they have connections and money to handle that. Sirveri Nov 2013 #96
Wow. This post was allowed to stand. reflection Nov 2013 #120
Why do people troll message boards? IronLionZion Nov 2013 #138
Trolling for his friends at the Imprisoned Republic. AAO Nov 2013 #143
Must be lunchtime... ElboRuum Nov 2013 #145
THINK MASLOW - Shelter, Food, Security provide a base to the rest. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #183
If you can't magick up more $ though, your still faced with the same choices riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #8
Horse... cart... horse... cart... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #16
it is possible hfojvt Nov 2013 #44
I know a lot of people with solid middle-class incomes that have the same problem. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #172
okay, it seems that has changed hfojvt Nov 2013 #177
Beautiful stereotyping of a random sampling of people. Half-Century Man Nov 2013 #56
Already been there. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #60
What type of training do you recommend. Blanks Nov 2013 #152
It was mentioned elsewhere... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #170
You'd also be a good choice for a teacher. A been there - done that kind of guy... Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #182
Making and decontextualization lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #187
Ruby Payne YarnAddict Nov 2013 #126
Fully agree. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #129
Yup YarnAddict Nov 2013 #134
^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #139
Ruby Payne is a twisted perspective on poverty that comforts middle class folks. LuckyLib Nov 2013 #156
In what way does her perspective comfort middle class people? YarnAddict Nov 2013 #163
You make a good point. We behave in ways that help us adapt to our social and financial reality. LuckyLib Nov 2013 #191
I'm unable to connect the act of a teacher acknowledging their own privilege lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #192
I guess my point is more basic YarnAddict Nov 2013 #193
apparently the problem with Ruby Payne's claims is that they aren't actually magical thyme Nov 2013 #164
Much of what she presented was YarnAddict Nov 2013 #165
my comment is based on reading the links provided by the poster below magical thyme Nov 2013 #169
Yes, that kind of thing is considered condescending. Igel Nov 2013 #11
Okay. LWolf Nov 2013 #12
How can free medical not be a benefit? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #22
"free medical" LWolf Nov 2013 #99
You're going to deservedly get shit for it Prophet 451 Nov 2013 #53
Thank you. Well put. uppityperson Nov 2013 #83
I'm extremely poor. I work as an adjunct professor, have an M.S. and nearly a PhD in a hard science enki23 Nov 2013 #54
20 years ago everything you have done, would have made you successful already. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #184
People don't appraise the value of education rationally. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #188
No, I get that you're just trying to be an infuriating ass. I understand that, I promise you. enki23 Nov 2013 #194
Yes, this is why we need more outreach and publicity for the Navigators dem in texas Nov 2013 #62
Sorry Jeff, this is not the shit you expected tech3149 Nov 2013 #76
The op wasn't a laundry list of exemplary skills lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #79
What good are fucking skills if there are no jobs to be had? What, we need to ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2013 #91
I'm talking about the OP. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #100
Not just financial type knowledge One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #103
To some extent, but I think idolizing them isn't justified either. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #107
Alternatively, you could actually read the article and find out why you're wrong. jeff47 Nov 2013 #109
I learned how to drive without crashing any cars. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #111
And that car was what gave you practice. jeff47 Nov 2013 #118
Don't even suggest that I'm the one with the reading problems. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #123
They did put instructors in the car. jeff47 Nov 2013 #124
You're the one calling them morons and idiots. Three times now, by my count. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #127
I'm just stripping off the BS you layered on to your proposal jeff47 Nov 2013 #128
I'm sure you will, but I think you have a point. Marr Nov 2013 #119
Exactly. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #132
If you give a man a fish, you'll feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you'll feed him Dash87 Nov 2013 #122
Exactly. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #125
Here's why I disagree that life skills are the predominant issue at play - Dash87 Nov 2013 #131
All the jobs that were outsourced coming back (which will not happen) would maddiemom Nov 2013 #154
Good article...I've lived this Boxerfan Nov 2013 #3
Yes. Americans knew how to manufacture good products. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #58
Poor folks know that windfall will be nibbled down to nothing in weeks Warpy Nov 2013 #4
More than that Bozvotros Nov 2013 #59
If you're saving it in a coffee can or sock drawer Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #114
Grew up in a poor community; parents and relatives squeezed every nickle until the buffalo shit FarCenter Nov 2013 #6
ROFLMAO!! KamaAina Nov 2013 #86
Poor People need a life changing program, not stop gap measures. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #7
Now you're cooking with gas. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #13
Or solar!! Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #18
it's a great idea for urban planning. good luck on your presentation. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2013 #162
Been working on it for awhile. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #181
Maybe spread out tax refunds. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #20
In my plan that would go into PPCV - Pre Paid Credit Vouchers Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #32
I like the way you think, Tigress DEM gristy Nov 2013 #64
So life skills are okay, provided we mix a bunch of "save the whales" into the curriculum? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #104
If I read the article you linked to correctly xulamaude Nov 2013 #140
I'm simply stating that giving people who have given up hope some inspiration works. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #180
No. We need politicians who will actually do something duffyduff Nov 2013 #28
A habit I picked up from my Depression-era mother... Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #9
I'm 40 Aerows Nov 2013 #30
Thats not a "STUPID" habit Blue - - ur off-topic ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #135
Yes, I do save eggshells for the compost, Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #141
Poor folks yeoman6987 Nov 2013 #10
Poor folks remain poor because the system is rigged to keep them poor. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #21
But for the grace of God go you. duffyduff Nov 2013 #26
Definitely - I scratched by through the last recession and finally came out ok bhikkhu Nov 2013 #33
Better idea - take the kids away Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #117
Take the kids away yeoman6987 Nov 2013 #121
I'll soon be experiencing this myself therehegoes Nov 2013 #14
This was very accurate as I remember - TBF Nov 2013 #17
Maybe I'm an idiot Aerows Nov 2013 #23
Does not compute tkmorris Nov 2013 #31
Sure it does Aerows Nov 2013 #34
Welcome to the DU Food Snob Zone OmahaBlueDog Nov 2013 #41
Indeed Aerows Nov 2013 #43
I understand what you are saying, but here is what I have been told: left on green only Nov 2013 #77
I don't think you are a snob for saying that Aerows Nov 2013 #78
The Thing I Like To Do With Broccoli..... left on green only Nov 2013 #149
That sounds delicious! Aerows Nov 2013 #150
One man's food snob Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #113
In my program, you'd be a teacher. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #35
I'm absolutely addicted to cottage cheese Aerows Nov 2013 #39
I'm petrified of canning. Beacool Nov 2013 #84
Canning isn't that hard, really Aerows Nov 2013 #85
It's not quite that easy Retrograde Nov 2013 #92
So ultimately we agree Aerows Nov 2013 #151
Yes and no Retrograde Nov 2013 #173
I'm good with yes and no Aerows Nov 2013 #178
The Cooperative Extension Service - there's one in every country - teaches most of the skills Hestia Nov 2013 #68
I think I fell through The Onion hole Aerows Nov 2013 #80
I'd like to dovetail with existing programs where possible. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #98
If you can read, you can can...... llmart Nov 2013 #176
Sodium levels, for one thing. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #46
Low sodium green beans Aerows Nov 2013 #48
Note that I also wrote they don't have the flavor you expect Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #50
Uh, canning is pretty easy Aerows Nov 2013 #75
Canned veggies pipi_k Nov 2013 #61
I will never say that canned taste better Aerows Nov 2013 #65
Well, if there's any truth pipi_k Nov 2013 #105
Canned vegetables are just as nutritious as frozen. alarimer Nov 2013 #72
Canned vegetables are bad for you Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #112
When Living in The RobinA Nov 2013 #136
Here in the reality based community Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #142
Being poor can happen to anybody but the tiniest number of rich. duffyduff Nov 2013 #25
Donald Trump went broke how many times? Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #36
Went bankrupt, not broke KamaAina Nov 2013 #87
That's my point. He blew through more money than any of us could have & people kept handing him more Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #97
One that was left out spinbaby Nov 2013 #27
The worst habit I experienced is getting used to having nothing bhikkhu Nov 2013 #29
I hear ya... pipi_k Nov 2013 #106
Yes! Myrina Nov 2013 #110
I completely relate to this. Then Phlem Nov 2013 #37
Or how about guaranteed income of $2800/ mo. like in Switzerland? ErikJ Nov 2013 #38
Reminds me of another article I saw on Alternet. Nine Nov 2013 #40
K/R and I spent some time in Hawaii this month talking about this topic specifically. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #45
I'll add two, although they aren't "habits" so much as orientations alcibiades_mystery Nov 2013 #52
So... pipi_k Nov 2013 #66
Thanks for this post KamaAina hibbing Nov 2013 #73
I beat the odds.. I grew up poor and am still Cha Nov 2013 #81
Poor people are "stupid"? Trillo Nov 2013 #82
Sounds strange but I'm deliberately poor: In deference to my body Populist_Prole Nov 2013 #88
I'm doing the same sort of thing... magical thyme Nov 2013 #167
With #5, Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #89
Poor people get checks for $5,000? Coyotl Nov 2013 #90
EIC can easily be $5000 renie408 Nov 2013 #102
This excerpt is so fucking spot on Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #108
#1. You Only Spend with the Short Term in Mind Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #116
This a rerun. Old. Quantess Nov 2013 #130
I didn't see this a year ago - I'm glad it was reposted. ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #137
Well said. raging moderate Nov 2013 #133
It's the failure to see the long term cost of refusing what's called "upfront" preventive spending. ancianita Nov 2013 #144
The myth of the massive tax return and the blowing of same exists only in the heads of the non-poor. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #146
And the author, who used to be poor. KamaAina Nov 2013 #147
People making low wages don't get big income tax refunds.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #148
That only happens pipi_k Nov 2013 #175
Another thing to consider is the changing demographics.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #179
This missed the worst habit of them all. Habit #0, ahead of all these. Self-blame, self-loathing. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #155
Or Systemic "Blame the Poor" kneejerk attitudes that lead to self-blame. Tigress DEM Nov 2013 #186
Help Of The Most Imperfect Kind grilled onions Nov 2013 #157
Another Blame-the-Poor thread on DU? bvar22 Nov 2013 #158
Actually, I posted it because it refutes the blame-the-poor threads KamaAina Nov 2013 #159
That is how I saw it, Kama! murray hill farm Nov 2013 #160
No, that article is a cheap knock off of Reagan's bvar22 Nov 2013 #171
I don't think so, this time. Of course the replies have been pretty well Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #166
While we're posting great Cracked.com articles.... C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Nov 2013 #174
Ugh. I'm reading about my childhood... devils chaplain Nov 2013 #189
With nearly 200 replies, this is my most successful thread ever at DU! KamaAina Nov 2013 #190
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