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stopbush

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99. Hard to take the heat when you haven't a leg to stand on, isn't it?

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:39 AM

Nov 2013

Yep, the majority are wrong in the JFK case. Yep, the government lies to us on occasion, just not on this occasion. Yep, professionals and authors are still wasting everyone's time making shot up about the assassination. Unfortunately for them, the investigative professionals already figured it out and authored their reports.

And, yep, the JFK CTs are worthy of ridicule, which is why I will ridicule them whether you like it or not.

I'll ask one question of you: have you read the Warren Report? How about the HSCA report?

And I'll make one statement: in my opinion, you disgrace the memory of JFK by not being able to accept plain facts, and by touting your CT crap, but I would never accuse you of not being a Democrat.

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Whose idea was it to put Allen Dulles on the Warren Commission? Robert Kennedy's. [View all] Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 OP

Whose idea was it to let Creative Speculation posts back into GD? longship Nov 2013 #1

It's bad enough to believe in silly conspiracies, but it is worse for somebody to completely duffyduff Nov 2013 #3

patterson, is that you? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #4

No. I despise made up shit being presented as fact, especially when the facts are well known. longship Nov 2013 #8

Aww, patterson RobertEarl Nov 2013 #12

You're off-topic, RobertEarl. Stop discussing posters and discuss the post. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #13

Your OP is very transparent. Did you know that DUers are, on the whole, extremely smart people? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #36

"Octofish's OPS otoh, are excellent sources of real information and belong in GD." zappaman Nov 2013 #38

!! dionysus Nov 2013 #80

Your post is nothing but meta. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #43

What topic? What you posted is ridiculous nonsense, which I know you know. Octafish's OPs sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #50

More meta. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #51

Who's Patterson? And whatever are you posting about? longship Nov 2013 #14

You are off topic RobertEarl Nov 2013 #18

I'm glad to see your concern that we stick to the OP topic Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #19

Be Free to discuss the post! zappaman Nov 2013 #21

Given the political atmosphere of these mother earth Nov 2013 #6

A taped conversation between Robert Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson is "total bunk"? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #11

I am referring to the chraracterization of RFK as not being a man of truth, character mother earth Nov 2013 #22

Well, I agree in principle with your post. longship Nov 2013 #32

No, there are more than crickets, if you listen. When Cyril Wecht uses forensics to dispel the mother earth Nov 2013 #39

Okay. State your hypothesis of what really happened. longship Nov 2013 #54

My hypothesis is the Warren Commission was a neatly packaged facade of a full investigation, meant mother earth Nov 2013 #68

Longship, once again, we agree to disagree, wishing you well as always, my friend. mother earth Nov 2013 #70

No problem, Mother Earth. longship Nov 2013 #74

That last person known to have possession of JFK's brain was RFK. stopbush Nov 2013 #63

I think this qualifies as CT and rumor, aka disinfo, not surprisingly, he's no longer around mother earth Nov 2013 #69

Oh, really? Read and learn - from the HSCA report: stopbush Nov 2013 #71

Read what you posted yourself, it is undetermined & remains so, like it or not, mother earth Nov 2013 #79

Ooooooh. There's conspiracies all around us. They're out to GET us! Run away! Run away! stopbush Nov 2013 #83

Last I looked, every single murder investigation held in this country stopbush Nov 2013 #62

Good question, they are completely to be trusted! LOL, where have you been? With a nic like mother earth Nov 2013 #85

This Boston Globe article from earlier this week exposes the childinh thinking of Warren apologists BlueStreak Nov 2013 #101

TY, BlueStreak. They would have us denying history and the relevant facts that were never mother earth Nov 2013 #102

It is the same people and the same reasons for their authoritarian views about the NSA BlueStreak Nov 2013 #104

Well said. mother earth Nov 2013 #105

Equating the people you are debating with as holocaust deniers the epitome of incivility. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #112

Hard to confirm without a quoted transcript. ucrdem Nov 2013 #2

JFK conspiracy theories are enjoying a dispensation because of the anniversary. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #5

Bobby gave him Dulles name in a private conversation? Hard to confirm, and given the position of mother earth Nov 2013 #7

Perhaps you missed the name of the book: Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #10

You can't judge a book by its cover Bolo. ucrdem Nov 2013 #20

What? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #30

Still no transcript? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #111

TY, BB, I did not realize this private conversation was on tape. Do you have the excerpt mother earth Nov 2013 #23

Didn't Dr Cyril Wecht also participate in the "Alien Autopsy" TV show? stopbush Nov 2013 #64

Here are his credentials if you are interested, what were his findings? mother earth Nov 2013 #67

No one is doubting his credentials. He's highly credentialed. stopbush Nov 2013 #72

Forensics is not congruent with woo, it is science based. Woo is in the eye of the beholder, one mother earth Nov 2013 #75

Then there's the Katzenbach memo. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #9

Al Gore, too RobertEarl Nov 2013 #15

That's not the reason Katzenbach gave to the HSCA. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #17

Here's what the HSCA said about it: nyquil_man Nov 2013 #16

Based it appears on the 1978 testimony of the same Nicholas Katzenbach: ucrdem Nov 2013 #26

Yes, he was explaining why the Justice Department abdicated its role in the investigation nyquil_man Nov 2013 #29

It sounds like he's blaming RFK who as AG ran the Justice Dept ucrdem Nov 2013 #33

Ten years and three months, actually, nyquil_man Nov 2013 #37

"the Department largely abdicated ... important responsibilities" etc. ucrdem Nov 2013 #41

That's from the House Select Committee on Assassinations report. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #42

Sec. D2 claims "The DoJ Failed" and cites Katzenbach's 1978 testimony: ucrdem Nov 2013 #45

Oy vey. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #47

Better the victim's brother than the accused murderer ucrdem Nov 2013 #49

So you do think RFK should have been in charge of the investigation? nyquil_man Nov 2013 #52

RFK wasn't President, LBJ was. ucrdem Nov 2013 #53

You didn't really answer the question there. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #55

What authority? The Warren Commission was LBJ and Hoover. ucrdem Nov 2013 #56

He was the Attorney General of the United States. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #57

And LBJ was president. nt ucrdem Nov 2013 #58

Are you suggesting LBJ would have fired him? nt nyquil_man Nov 2013 #59

"exceedingly sleazy if not suspicious tactic" Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #60

RFK said Warren Commission was 'shoddy workmanship.' Octafish Nov 2013 #24

RFK suggested Dulles for the Commission to Johnson, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #25

That's really disrespectful. nt ucrdem Nov 2013 #28

What are you talking about? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #34

Thanks, Octa. ucrdem Nov 2013 #27

Hey Octafish RobertEarl Nov 2013 #31

You have yet to get on topic, RobertEarl. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #35

Be Free to take your own advice. zappaman Nov 2013 #40

Did Johnson consult with Robert Kennedy about who to put on the Commission, Octafish? n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #44

Let's not forget E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession. Doesn't seem RFK liked Dulles, he fired him. mother earth Nov 2013 #46

More...excerpt from same Hunt article, above link. mother earth Nov 2013 #48

Good post. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #61

The "I will splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces" quote was first attributed to JFK. stopbush Nov 2013 #65

More like they BOTH said it, they were a force to be reckoned with when it came to actually mother earth Nov 2013 #66

If only JFK had made a public statement about the CIA, the country would have known stopbush Nov 2013 #73

And oh how they hated him despite that little olive branch, while BOTH brothers planned to mother earth Nov 2013 #76

I voted D in my first presidential election in 1972, Elmer, and have voted D ever since. stopbush Nov 2013 #95

No, you act pathetically when you shit on others who do not share your same opinions. mother earth Nov 2013 #98

Hard to take the heat when you haven't a leg to stand on, isn't it? stopbush Nov 2013 #99

I guess his family is disgracing his memory too, because they aren't buying it either, never have. mother earth Nov 2013 #100

I'll take your non-response as an answer of "no" that you've ever read the WCR or the HSCA. stopbush Nov 2013 #103

You know nothing of me, nor of the Kennedys. Who are you to say any of these things? You are mother earth Nov 2013 #106

More blowing of smoke. Why not just admit you've never read the WCR? stopbush Nov 2013 #108

You aren't convincing anyone of anything, why so bent on stalking those who simply do not agree mother earth Nov 2013 #114

You've proved you haven't read the WCR but you'll still criticize it. stopbush Nov 2013 #115

Question for you: RobertEarl Nov 2013 #107

Aww, wittle baby got his diapers in a bunch. stopbush Nov 2013 #109

You're not even funny RobertEarl Nov 2013 #110

What does one learn from Octafish? That fantasy trumps evidence? stopbush Nov 2013 #113

Kennedy wanted to go back to the gold standard? KamaAina Nov 2013 #77

So says the CIA guy's son...jury's out on that one, but he knew the fed reserve's power, mother earth Nov 2013 #81

Is it? KamaAina Nov 2013 #84

Maybe you should direct this to Saint John Hunt. Clearly, the widow should take legal action if true mother earth Nov 2013 #86

Impressive resume, this. KamaAina Nov 2013 #87

He's making money off of this revelation, no doubt. I don't hear much new on JFK on MSM, mother earth Nov 2013 #88

The WCR is a whitewash and a lie regardless. KurtNYC Nov 2013 #78

Good point. mother earth Nov 2013 #82

I forget offhand how the police recording of Milteer came out. Was it RFK? KurtNYC Nov 2013 #89

"Whitewash and lie"...confirmed in its essential conclusions by every subsequent investigation? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #90

"subsequent investigation" should include the HSCA KurtNYC Nov 2013 #91

"Subsequent investigation" does in fact include the HSCA. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #92

RK was not afraid of being marginalized, no that was the reality LBJ lived in before the arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #93

All I get from the 'skeptic' link is 'the page does not exist'. Mc Mike Nov 2013 #94

Looks like they took down the link. It worked yesterday. stopbush Nov 2013 #96

Let's see if this link works. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #97