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In reply to the discussion: Top-Secret Document Reveals NSA Spied On Porn Habits As Part Of Plan To Discredit 'Radicalizers' [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)85. "Collect it all." And store it.
Former AF intelligence agent and whistleblower, Tice, has already said they are collecting and storing it all, including telephone, computer, and email content.
"NSA, today, is collecting everything -- including content -- of every digital communication in this country, both computer and phone, and that information is being stored indefinitely," Tice said. "And that's something that they're lying about."
So has former counterterrorism agent, Clemente:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-spying-flap-extends-to-contents-of-u.s-phone-calls/
"Former FBI counterterrorism agent Tim Clemente told CNN last month that, in national security investigations, the bureau can access records of a previously made telephone call. "All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not," he said. Clemente added in an appearance the next day that, thanks to the "intelligence community" -- an apparent reference to the NSA -- "there's a way to look at digital communications in the past.""
Dianne Feinstein has already let slip that they can access content after the fact.
Mueller initially sought to downplay concerns about NSA surveillance by claiming that, to listen to a phone call, the government would need to seek "a special, a particularized order from the FISA court directed at that particular phone of that particular individual."
Is information about that procedure "classified in any way?" Nadler asked.
"I don't think so," Mueller replied.
"Then I can say the following," Nadler said. "We heard precisely the opposite at the briefing the other day. We heard precisely that you could get the specific information from that telephone simply based on an analyst deciding that...In other words, what you just said is incorrect. So there's a conflict."
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the head of the Senate Intelligence committee, separately acknowledged that the agency's analysts have the ability to access the "content of a call."
Is information about that procedure "classified in any way?" Nadler asked.
"I don't think so," Mueller replied.
"Then I can say the following," Nadler said. "We heard precisely the opposite at the briefing the other day. We heard precisely that you could get the specific information from that telephone simply based on an analyst deciding that...In other words, what you just said is incorrect. So there's a conflict."
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the head of the Senate Intelligence committee, separately acknowledged that the agency's analysts have the ability to access the "content of a call."
More here:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-spying-flap-extends-to-contents-of-u.s-phone-calls/
"The Washington Post disclosed Saturday that the existence of a top-secret NSA program called NUCLEON, which "intercepts telephone calls and routes the spoken words" to a database. Top intelligence officials in the Obama administration, the Post said, "have resolutely refused to offer an estimate of the number of Americans whose calls or e-mails have thus made their way into content databases such as NUCLEON."
Earlier reports have indicated that the NSA has the ability to record nearly all domestic and international phone calls -- in case an analyst needed to access the recordings in the future. A Wired magazine article last year disclosed that the NSA has established "listening posts" that allow the agency to collect and sift through billions of phone calls through a massive new data center in Utah, "whether they originate within the country or overseas." That includes not just metadata, but also the contents of the communications.
William Binney, a former NSA technical director who helped to modernize the agency's worldwide eavesdropping network, told the Daily Caller this week that the NSA records the phone calls of 500,000 to 1 million people who are on its so-called target list, and perhaps even more. "They look through these phone numbers and they target those and that's what they record," Binney said.
Brewster Kahle, a computer engineer who founded the Internet Archive, has vast experience storing large amounts of data. He created a spreadsheet this week estimating that the cost to store all domestic phone calls a year in cloud storage for data-mining purposes would be about $27 million per year, not counting the cost of extra security for a top-secret program and security clearances for the people involved.
NSA's annual budget is classified but is estimated to be around $10 billion.
Documents that came to light in an EFF lawsuit provide some insight into how the spy agency vacuums up data from telecommunications companies. Mark Klein, who worked as an AT&T technician for over 22 years, disclosed in 2006 (PDF) that he witnessed domestic voice and Internet traffic being surreptitiously "diverted" through a "splitter cabinet" to secure room 641A in one of the company's San Francisco facilities. The room was accessible only to NSA-cleared technicians.
AT&T and other telecommunications companies that allow the NSA to tap into their fiber links receive absolute immunity from civil liability or criminal prosecution, thanks to a law that Congress enacted in 2008 and renewed in 2012. It's a series of amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, also known as the FISA Amendments Act.
That law says surveillance may be authorized by the attorney general and director of national intelligence without prior approval by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, as long as minimization requirements and general procedures blessed by the court are followed.
A requirement of the 2008 law is that the NSA "may not intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be located in the United States." A possible interpretation of that language, some legal experts said, is that the agency may vacuum up everything it can domestically -- on the theory that indiscriminate data acquisition was not intended to "target" a specific American citizen.
Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell indicated during a House Intelligence hearing in 2007 that the NSA's surveillance process involves "billions" of bulk communications being intercepted, analyzed, and incorporated into a database.
"The Washington Post disclosed Saturday that the existence of a top-secret NSA program called NUCLEON, which "intercepts telephone calls and routes the spoken words" to a database. Top intelligence officials in the Obama administration, the Post said, "have resolutely refused to offer an estimate of the number of Americans whose calls or e-mails have thus made their way into content databases such as NUCLEON."
Earlier reports have indicated that the NSA has the ability to record nearly all domestic and international phone calls -- in case an analyst needed to access the recordings in the future. A Wired magazine article last year disclosed that the NSA has established "listening posts" that allow the agency to collect and sift through billions of phone calls through a massive new data center in Utah, "whether they originate within the country or overseas." That includes not just metadata, but also the contents of the communications.
William Binney, a former NSA technical director who helped to modernize the agency's worldwide eavesdropping network, told the Daily Caller this week that the NSA records the phone calls of 500,000 to 1 million people who are on its so-called target list, and perhaps even more. "They look through these phone numbers and they target those and that's what they record," Binney said.
Brewster Kahle, a computer engineer who founded the Internet Archive, has vast experience storing large amounts of data. He created a spreadsheet this week estimating that the cost to store all domestic phone calls a year in cloud storage for data-mining purposes would be about $27 million per year, not counting the cost of extra security for a top-secret program and security clearances for the people involved.
NSA's annual budget is classified but is estimated to be around $10 billion.
Documents that came to light in an EFF lawsuit provide some insight into how the spy agency vacuums up data from telecommunications companies. Mark Klein, who worked as an AT&T technician for over 22 years, disclosed in 2006 (PDF) that he witnessed domestic voice and Internet traffic being surreptitiously "diverted" through a "splitter cabinet" to secure room 641A in one of the company's San Francisco facilities. The room was accessible only to NSA-cleared technicians.
AT&T and other telecommunications companies that allow the NSA to tap into their fiber links receive absolute immunity from civil liability or criminal prosecution, thanks to a law that Congress enacted in 2008 and renewed in 2012. It's a series of amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, also known as the FISA Amendments Act.
That law says surveillance may be authorized by the attorney general and director of national intelligence without prior approval by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, as long as minimization requirements and general procedures blessed by the court are followed.
A requirement of the 2008 law is that the NSA "may not intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be located in the United States." A possible interpretation of that language, some legal experts said, is that the agency may vacuum up everything it can domestically -- on the theory that indiscriminate data acquisition was not intended to "target" a specific American citizen.
Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell indicated during a House Intelligence hearing in 2007 that the NSA's surveillance process involves "billions" of bulk communications being intercepted, analyzed, and incorporated into a database.
We have been lied to brazenly and incessantly. Anyone throwing out bombast that "it's only metadata" at this point is either willfully ignorant or working the propaganda hard. The upshot is:
"Collect it all."
The Crux of the NSA Story in One Phrase: 'Collect It All'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023261311
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023261311
The NSA's massive new $2bn data center in Utah - built to spy on EVERY American--Capacity: 2,097 Internets
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022998690
YT: Broader Sifting of Data Abroad Is Seen by NSA (Vast Dragnet of Americans' Int'l Emails/Texts)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014560257
White House Sees 'No Alternative' to NSA's 'Collect It All' Approach
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023982006
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Top-Secret Document Reveals NSA Spied On Porn Habits As Part Of Plan To Discredit 'Radicalizers' [View all]
WillyT
Nov 2013
OP
So it's OK to spy on and then discredit people you don't agree with if it's only six (6)?
Scuba
Nov 2013
#4
They may have reason to spy, but publicly smearing them to discredit them is dishonest.
Scuba
Nov 2013
#8
The U.S. does not CONVICT a radical Islamist who wants to stone women to death.
randome
Nov 2013
#18
Hardly ridiculous. Who's to say they're not advocating peace? Some guy at NSA with MIC incentives?
Scuba
Nov 2013
#25
You know, there are probably thousands of LE investigations going on right this moment.
randome
Nov 2013
#30
So let's pretend 2013 didn't happen. It will help your post make sense.
DisgustipatedinCA
Nov 2013
#130
My question has been how much of Mr/Ms.Nobody's data is stored and archived somewhere for future use
penultimate
Nov 2013
#21
Fucking creepy, dude. Abnormal. I know you like to brag about investigating DUers
DisgustipatedinCA
Nov 2013
#128
About your stalking of other DUers, about you bragging about it, and about your unhealthy
DisgustipatedinCA
Nov 2013
#131
Asked and answered. But you're on the floor again. Thought you'd want to know.
DisgustipatedinCA
Nov 2013
#133
Except that 'targets' to the NSA means foreign individuals for whom an investigation is opened.
randome
Nov 2013
#9
mmm. ya. figured. just throwing shit out to see if anything sticks on the wall
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#37
girl takes naked picture, someone hacks in her puter and puts out web. duers say.... meh, she should
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#27
i thought about it. no, it does not really help. seems the same at the basic level. nt
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#49
nowhere did i put up a position. that is not the point. i expect everyone to say, the net, nothing
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#71
Just yesterday, I was going to post a "Where's Greenwald" Post. Now it's too late.
FSogol
Nov 2013
#43
Our civil rights laws, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, do not apply to the rest of the world.
randome
Nov 2013
#112
Top-Secret Document Reveals NSA Doing Its Job of Foreign Intelligence Gathering
MineralMan
Nov 2013
#70
States that build surveillance machines also build propaganda machines.
woo me with science
Nov 2013
#74
"An NSA thread was smashed in a supercollider with a porn thread." and from that crash
BelgianMadCow
Nov 2013
#118
+1 Let's see. We already have sexual blackmail, fabrication of evidence trails for drug arrests,
woo me with science
Nov 2013
#115
This is what our highest paid officials do? And they get pensions too! Meanwhile crumbs for poor.
Coyotl
Nov 2013
#90
Why would a news story use the word 'only' when they don't know if there are others?
randome
Nov 2013
#97
Gives "Make Love, Not War" a whole new meaning if just watching it is "Terra!".
Tierra_y_Libertad
Nov 2013
#113