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In reply to the discussion: The 5 Stupidest Habits You Develop Growing Up Poor [View all]lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)111. I learned how to drive without crashing any cars.
Why? Because the drivers ed car had a brake pedal for the instructor's use. I'm sure it was an insulting and demeaning infringement on my personal sense of autonomy at the time, but somehow I don't remember it that way.
If your income is high enough, you can afford to make all the "life skills" mistakes and learn through trial and error. The author flat-out says that windfalls all create the same response: spend it before it evaporates. That reflects an absence of life skill and there's little reason to suppose that doubling the size or frequency of his financial windfalls would mitigate that.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-lottery-winners-go-bankrupt-1301002181742
Big lottery winners, defined by the researchers as those awarded between $50,000 and $150,000, were half as likely as small lottery winners to go bankrupt within two years of their score but just as likely to go bankrupt three to five years after. "The results show that giving $50,000 to $150,000 to people only postpones bankruptcy," the authors concluded.
Perhaps most shocking, the typical big winner in the sample was awarded a prize of $65,000, while the most financially distressed ones had unsecured debt of $49,000. In other words, the cash was more than enough to pay off everything most winners owed.
The researchers offer a few theories on why so many winners went bust. Prior research has shown that lottery players have below-average incomes and education; it's no great leap to assume they tend to have limited financial literacy (even compared with a general population that has been shown to sorely lack it). Winners might also engage in something behavioral economists call mental accounting by treating their winnings less cautiously than they would their earnings. Of course, winners might simply "develop a taste for luxury goods that outlasts their money," the researchers write.
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It's not like the rich'll suffer one iota. Geez. Keeping so much for no reason is wrong. nt
valerief
Nov 2013
#15
Rich people should have given of their fortunes not hoarded vast amounts of wealth.
655351
Nov 2013
#19
I give people more room or rope than you do. I like to be sure cause I can be fooled.
BlueJazz
Nov 2013
#69
Partially agree but it can be said that Wealth used to destroy the happiness of the populace....
BlueJazz
Nov 2013
#55
the spelling passes the smell test, but not the grammar or sentence structure.
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#161
Exactly. Many of us were "middle class" until we lost our jobs and can't get back in the labor
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#24
It's funny how the rich don't need life skills, they have connections and money to handle that.
Sirveri
Nov 2013
#96
If you can't magick up more $ though, your still faced with the same choices
riderinthestorm
Nov 2013
#8
I know a lot of people with solid middle-class incomes that have the same problem.
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#172
You'd also be a good choice for a teacher. A been there - done that kind of guy...
Tigress DEM
Nov 2013
#182
Ruby Payne is a twisted perspective on poverty that comforts middle class folks.
LuckyLib
Nov 2013
#156
You make a good point. We behave in ways that help us adapt to our social and financial reality.
LuckyLib
Nov 2013
#191
I'm unable to connect the act of a teacher acknowledging their own privilege
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#192
apparently the problem with Ruby Payne's claims is that they aren't actually
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#164
I'm extremely poor. I work as an adjunct professor, have an M.S. and nearly a PhD in a hard science
enki23
Nov 2013
#54
20 years ago everything you have done, would have made you successful already.
Tigress DEM
Nov 2013
#184
No, I get that you're just trying to be an infuriating ass. I understand that, I promise you.
enki23
Nov 2013
#194
What good are fucking skills if there are no jobs to be had? What, we need to
ChisolmTrailDem
Nov 2013
#91
Alternatively, you could actually read the article and find out why you're wrong.
jeff47
Nov 2013
#109
You're the one calling them morons and idiots. Three times now, by my count. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#127
If you give a man a fish, you'll feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you'll feed him
Dash87
Nov 2013
#122
Grew up in a poor community; parents and relatives squeezed every nickle until the buffalo shit
FarCenter
Nov 2013
#6
it's a great idea for urban planning. good luck on your presentation.
BlancheSplanchnik
Nov 2013
#162
So life skills are okay, provided we mix a bunch of "save the whales" into the curriculum?
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#104
I'm simply stating that giving people who have given up hope some inspiration works.
Tigress DEM
Nov 2013
#180
I understand what you are saying, but here is what I have been told:
left on green only
Nov 2013
#77
The Cooperative Extension Service - there's one in every country - teaches most of the skills
Hestia
Nov 2013
#68
That's my point. He blew through more money than any of us could have & people kept handing him more
Tigress DEM
Nov 2013
#97
K/R and I spent some time in Hawaii this month talking about this topic specifically.
NYC_SKP
Nov 2013
#45
It's the failure to see the long term cost of refusing what's called "upfront" preventive spending.
ancianita
Nov 2013
#144
The myth of the massive tax return and the blowing of same exists only in the heads of the non-poor.
Spitfire of ATJ
Nov 2013
#146
This missed the worst habit of them all. Habit #0, ahead of all these. Self-blame, self-loathing.
AtheistCrusader
Nov 2013
#155
I don't think so, this time. Of course the replies have been pretty well
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2013
#166