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107. Appeal to ignorance

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Wed Nov 27, 2013, 03:12 PM

Nov 2013

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Top-Secret Document Reveals NSA Spied On Porn Habits As Part Of Plan To Discredit 'Radicalizers' [View all] WillyT Nov 2013 OP

Six foreign individuals who were already targets for investigation. randome Nov 2013 #1

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #119

Click through to read the entire thing. MineralMan Nov 2013 #2

So it's OK to spy on and then discredit people you don't agree with if it's only six (6)? Scuba Nov 2013 #4

If there are legitimate investigations opened into these individuals... randome Nov 2013 #6

They may have reason to spy, but publicly smearing them to discredit them is dishonest. Scuba Nov 2013 #8

If they are targets of an investigation, absent evidence to the contrary... randome Nov 2013 #12

You must mean right after they're convicted, not just accused, right? Scuba Nov 2013 #13

The U.S. does not CONVICT a radical Islamist who wants to stone women to death. randome Nov 2013 #18

What if he's advocating peace? Then is it OK? Scuba Nov 2013 #19

Of course not. That's a ridiculous question. randome Nov 2013 #24

Hardly ridiculous. Who's to say they're not advocating peace? Some guy at NSA with MIC incentives? Scuba Nov 2013 #25

You know, there are probably thousands of LE investigations going on right this moment. randome Nov 2013 #30

So "just trust them"? No thanks. Scuba Nov 2013 #31

Um, I don't think you understand the role of the NSA hootinholler Nov 2013 #91

When Snowden first ran to Hong Kong, the NSA's website was different. randome Nov 2013 #94

There might be a reason you can't find it hootinholler Nov 2013 #100

They apparently do, on occasion, corral some 'kiddie touchers'. randome Nov 2013 #101

And there's this controversial program. randome Nov 2013 #103

ROFL hootinholler Nov 2013 #114

From the NSA's FAQ. randome Nov 2013 #117

Dont forget all the drug users, that they've referred to the DEA! Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #136

I would think a small-time user isn't worth their time, only dealers. randome Nov 2013 #137

Thus rendering the 4th Amendment totally meaningless. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #138

Leave the jihadists alone!!!.... SidDithers Nov 2013 #33

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #122

Did you read the entire article? MineralMan Nov 2013 #7

And your point is? Scuba Nov 2013 #10

My point is the same as it was in the reply above. MineralMan Nov 2013 #16

So let's pretend 2013 didn't happen. It will help your post make sense. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #130

My question has been how much of Mr/Ms.Nobody's data is stored and archived somewhere for future use penultimate Nov 2013 #21

I have no idea, actually. MineralMan Nov 2013 #34

That was a great post MM arely staircase Nov 2013 #46

Thanks. I await differing opinions, though. MineralMan Nov 2013 #53

"People think they are anonymous on DU. They are incorrect."... SidDithers Nov 2013 #63

Oh, well...there are many inconsistencies in thinking MineralMan Nov 2013 #64

Fucking creepy, dude. Abnormal. I know you like to brag about investigating DUers DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #128

WTF are you blathering on about now?...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #129

About your stalking of other DUers, about you bragging about it, and about your unhealthy DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #131

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #132

Asked and answered. But you're on the floor again. Thought you'd want to know. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #133

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #134

There is a difference between use of court orders ... davekriss Nov 2013 #104

"Collect it all." And store it. woo me with science Nov 2013 #85

When repukes talk about out of control big gobmint this is where I can agree. L0oniX Nov 2013 #3

Six people that we know of huh? Autumn Nov 2013 #5

Except that 'targets' to the NSA means foreign individuals for whom an investigation is opened. randome Nov 2013 #9

Only foreign individuals based on your trust of the NSA? Autumn Nov 2013 #11

I don't trust them but I need to see evidence to mistrust them. randome Nov 2013 #14

Okay, "They are forbidden by law from spying on U.S. citizens." Autumn Nov 2013 #17

If you ask me, that is a dangerous choice.. G_j Nov 2013 #45

Always absent evidence to the contrary, of course. randome Nov 2013 #50

and then there is Clapper, though G_j Nov 2013 #56

You know how that argument goes, though. randome Nov 2013 #66

They don't do FOIA so we will never know Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #15

You got it right. Autumn Nov 2013 #20

If any of you think they are NOT watching you.... cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #22

how soon before opponents of Monsanto G_j Nov 2013 #23

already labeled "eco-terrorists", already targeted BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #116

We have DUers that would like this program expanded Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #26

who? seabeyond Nov 2013 #28

LOL!!! Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #36

mmm. ya. figured. just throwing shit out to see if anything sticks on the wall seabeyond Nov 2013 #37

Speak of the devil Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #47

talk about immature. seabeyond Nov 2013 #52

Mirrors are cheap.. Upton Nov 2013 #41

so, you can accuse/insult/lie for no reasons what so ever. brilliant seabeyond Nov 2013 #44

so, you can accuse/insult/lie for no reasons what so ever. brilliant Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #48

"accuse/insult/lie"...is that it? Upton Nov 2013 #54

LOL!!! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #106

Yep... Upton Nov 2013 #39

Like moths to a flame Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #58

girl takes naked picture, someone hacks in her puter and puts out web. duers say.... meh, she should seabeyond Nov 2013 #27

That's an interesting perspective, too. randome Nov 2013 #32

The NSA is *our government*. That's the difference. Hope this helps. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #40

i thought about it. no, it does not really help. seems the same at the basic level. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #49

OK, it's six this time. Savannahmann Nov 2013 #65

Six. Foreign. Individuals. Under. Investigation. randome Nov 2013 #67

That. We. Know. About. Now. Savannahmann Nov 2013 #72

Spy games. We never worried about them before, why now? randome Nov 2013 #75

nowhere did i put up a position. that is not the point. i expect everyone to say, the net, nothing seabeyond Nov 2013 #71

Shocking BeyondGeography Nov 2013 #29

Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #35

Civil liberties violations....LOL! Romulox Nov 2013 #42

Just yesterday, I was going to post a "Where's Greenwald" Post. Now it's too late. FSogol Nov 2013 #43

Well, he's between gigs right now... SidDithers Nov 2013 #60

"Charging an exorbitant amount of money for their speaking fees"... SidDithers Nov 2013 #38

I wonder if the NSA actually owns some porn sites ThoughtCriminal Nov 2013 #51

you win warrprayer Nov 2013 #98

I would be shocked if they *don't*. MadrasT Nov 2013 #102

du rec. xchrom Nov 2013 #55

I'm certain that they track the habits of our Congress critters as well. peace13 Nov 2013 #57

That is done by the FBI, not the NSA. MineralMan Nov 2013 #78

Mullah Fazlullah arely staircase Nov 2013 #59

+1...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #62

where does it say ONLY six? G_j Nov 2013 #61

+100000 woo me with science Nov 2013 #82

as some leaks in the past, this appears G_j Nov 2013 #86

+1 woo me with science Nov 2013 #123

This is indefensible except to propagandists and fools. woo me with science Nov 2013 #68

Six. Foreign. Indivduals. Under. Investigation. randome Nov 2013 #69

as woo me said: TheSarcastinator Nov 2013 #83

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Nov 2013 #84

Evidently we need to work on eliminating spying across the world, then. randome Nov 2013 #88

yes, it is obvious that you feel TheSarcastinator Nov 2013 #108

Our civil rights laws, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, do not apply to the rest of the world. randome Nov 2013 #112

do you use some sort of cliche generator when creating your posts? arely staircase Nov 2013 #73

Top-Secret Document Reveals NSA Doing Its Job of Foreign Intelligence Gathering MineralMan Nov 2013 #70

States that build surveillance machines also build propaganda machines. woo me with science Nov 2013 #74

Every Nation Does Both MineralMan Nov 2013 #76

ah yes, the old ad populum argument TheSarcastinator Nov 2013 #109

Do you know of a state that doesn't engage MineralMan Nov 2013 #111

Wow, it finally happened. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #77

No one could predict the result until the experiment concluded. randome Nov 2013 #79

ROFLMAO !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #80

"An NSA thread was smashed in a supercollider with a porn thread." and from that crash BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #118

The govt tried to hide the big secret for decades, but now the truth is out. Rex Nov 2013 #121

Apologist for this make me sick: you are disgusting TheSarcastinator Nov 2013 #81

Governments that turn authoritarian woo me with science Nov 2013 #87

Give it some time. Once there are more, they'll downshift into "it's pragmatic". Marr Nov 2013 #93

..and its already bleeding into corporate spying on citizen groups TheSarcastinator Nov 2013 #95

+1 Let's see. We already have sexual blackmail, fabrication of evidence trails for drug arrests, woo me with science Nov 2013 #115

Now we're getting to the good stuff... Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #89

This is what our highest paid officials do? And they get pensions too! Meanwhile crumbs for poor. Coyotl Nov 2013 #90

Why would Jaffer say this without offering any evidence to support this claim? randome Nov 2013 #92

Yes, why should we be upset TheSarcastinator Nov 2013 #96

Why would a news story use the word 'only' when they don't know if there are others? randome Nov 2013 #97

Appeal to ignorance TheSarcastinator Nov 2013 #107

That's why you were so supportive of Snowden, right? Oh, wait... Marr Nov 2013 #124

Snowden has released evidence that the NSA monitors foreign communications. randome Nov 2013 #125

This has been going on forever warrprayer Nov 2013 #99

Yup TheSarcastinator Nov 2013 #110

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #126

Should make the Anti-Porn crowd on DU happy Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #105

Gives "Make Love, Not War" a whole new meaning if just watching it is "Terra!". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #113

Tactics used forever, just not with this technology. Rex Nov 2013 #120

Well, if they're gonna brag about it in e-mail... AnnieBW Nov 2013 #127

They got no business upi402 Nov 2013 #135

kick woo me with science Nov 2013 #139