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RiffRandell

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37. Here we go attacking women who disagree with you.

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 05:50 PM

Nov 2013

Are we talking about Snuff films now?

So are you saying all porn is based on rape, torture and mutilation of women?

Yes, I am serious.

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It has not gone unnoticed (re: porn) [View all] BainsBane Nov 2013 OP

I knew someone would tie privilege and anti porn upaloopa Nov 2013 #1

Are you saying privilege isn't a problem? BainsBane Nov 2013 #2

He's what I said about a hundred times. upaloopa Nov 2013 #6

Yet you seem to resent its being mentioned BainsBane Nov 2013 #7

You should re-read what another poster said to you down thread. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #43

this, plus a brazilian loli phabay Nov 2013 #52

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #96

This is a Brazilian BainsBane Nov 2013 #99

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #102

No way. It's Caetano Veloso BainsBane Nov 2013 #105

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #107

Oh, I see BainsBane Nov 2013 #108

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #109

Yep! BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #100

actually it was prompted by the rude treatment Arcanetranse received BainsBane Nov 2013 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Nov 2013 #157

This whole OP was prompted for one reason and one reason only cleanhippie Nov 2013 #160

How convenient you are omnicient BainsBane Nov 2013 #175

Feeling better, yet? Keep trying, your ego will be soothed eventually. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #176

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well BainsBane Nov 2013 #180

Thanks for the lip service. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #196

Is that so BainsBane Nov 2013 #220

You give te term "facepalm" a whole other meaning. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #253

No I don't upaloopa Nov 2013 #60

Since you edited, I will have to edit BainsBane Nov 2013 #101

where's the 'like' button? Oscarmonster13 Nov 2013 #178

Basically you just liked it. Agschmid Nov 2013 #182

;) Oscarmonster13 Nov 2013 #190

No worries, welcome to DU. Agschmid Nov 2013 #192

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #205

Interesting how many people seem determined to psychoanalyze me BainsBane Nov 2013 #183

As always, I recommend John Scalzi on this topic eridani Nov 2013 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #279

If I am threatened by someones right Peacetrain Nov 2013 #3

I support your right to kvetch. rrneck Nov 2013 #4

Kvetch BainsBane Nov 2013 #5

What effort? rrneck Nov 2013 #10

No, one cannot coerce BainsBane Nov 2013 #13

"Those who care" already agree with you. rrneck Nov 2013 #15

Piss them off? BainsBane Nov 2013 #17

Cue Star Spangled Banner rrneck Nov 2013 #20

Your powers of perception once again fail you BainsBane Nov 2013 #120

How do you think rrneck Nov 2013 #127

Should individual liberty be sacrificed... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #202

I think individual liberty and social justice are *both* worthy ideals. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #206

Suggestion to edit to include "ma'am" as I'm fairly RiffRandell Nov 2013 #25

99% of rapists are male BainsBane Nov 2013 #114

I will agree that statistically it is more uncommon for women. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #123

Also committed by men nt ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #163

"So I should try this, 'Please don't rape/hit me, sir'?" is about as effective as Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #271

If you don't speak out, then what??? CTyankee Nov 2013 #110

It's not whether or not you speak out... rrneck Nov 2013 #124

the whole idea is to change the way our society feels about the rape culture. CTyankee Nov 2013 #126

Profiting from the issue won't make it go away either. rrneck Nov 2013 #129

I am at a loss to understand your thinking here. Bains bain isn't profiting from the issue. CTyankee Nov 2013 #149

While I admire your efforts with this DUer, chervilant Nov 2013 #152

This DUer is defending the right to produce fiction whether it's good or bad. rrneck Nov 2013 #156

Goodness! chervilant Nov 2013 #179

I find your observations about as helpful and enlightening as porn. rrneck Nov 2013 #185

Awwwww. Aren't you sweet. rrneck Nov 2013 #155

I find it difficult to follow arguments based on blather. CTyankee Nov 2013 #158

I'll ask you again. rrneck Nov 2013 #159

Ya know, buddy,I've had just about enough of this. Come back when you are calmer and can discuss CTyankee Nov 2013 #216

Well, I'll just have to work with what I've got then. rrneck Nov 2013 #245

No, you didn't. You asked me to join with you and talk feminism's "lunatic fringe." CTyankee Nov 2013 #260

Another fine example. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #262

"In fact, do you even know what "rape culture" is?" xulamaude Nov 2013 #165

Yep. I've looked at some of it. rrneck Nov 2013 #168

Okay. xulamaude Nov 2013 #171

Hang on, I'll see if I can find it. rrneck Nov 2013 #172

No need to bother. xulamaude Nov 2013 #173

No worries rrneck Nov 2013 #174

"Banning wouldn't do you any good anyway" I oppose bans because they do harm. JVS Nov 2013 #145

And the fact that this is the 6th or 7th thread on the topic, would indicate that no "silencing" is Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #8

Rape. That's what we're talking about. Rape. BainsBane Nov 2013 #11

Yep, that's what we're talking about rrneck Nov 2013 #16

Ha! RiffRandell Nov 2013 #23

If you are coming across videos of rape as often as you say they are out there.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #18

+1. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #24

Excuse me BainsBane Nov 2013 #36

You're excused. Here are some words of wisdom another poster gave you. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #77

rofl, now this was funny loli phabay Nov 2013 #54

Show me where I have accused someone of being a rape apologist in these porn threads? BainsBane Nov 2013 #38

Oh please ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #140

Are you asserting that no rape porn is made without consent? BainsBane Nov 2013 #144

Nope, I'm asserting that you can't believe women would consent.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #151

Doing that would require her to actually DO something other than rant on an anonymous message board cleanhippie Nov 2013 #161

Rule #3 xulamaude Nov 2013 #167

Keeping my mouth shut like a good girl BainsBane Nov 2013 #242

*pats head* xulamaude Nov 2013 #255

What precisely is it you are "doing' BainsBane Nov 2013 #244

How's that ego doing? A bit bruised, I imagine. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #256

How can it be bruised BainsBane Nov 2013 #265

Yep, it's bruised. Badly, too, judging by your defensiveness. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #270

So it couldn't have been about propping up my ego then? BainsBane Nov 2013 #273

You're projecting. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #283

Actually I never said that women can't consent BainsBane Nov 2013 #241

You'll have to direct me to which post I'm supposed to refer to today.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #281

Yes libodem Nov 2013 #116

It's not an issue of whether the actors consent Scootaloo Nov 2013 #181

I do not think that presenting rape as sexy, entertainment, or no big deal is good. So we're clear. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #191

No? That's good, but hard to read from your post Scootaloo Nov 2013 #197

It's despicable, I don't watch it, but I also don't make other peoples' decisions for them Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #198

Yes, that's how the topic came up, but it's not what it's about Scootaloo Nov 2013 #199

Who's arguing? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #200

blowjobs BainsBane Nov 2013 #225

It wasn't "one post", it was a whole thread containing a ridiculous statistic that has, Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #280

As I have said MANY times BainsBane Nov 2013 #282

I did. Workers in the Domestic adult industry are protected by the same laws as other workers. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #285

the issue of workers rights applies to all porn, as to all industries BainsBane Nov 2013 #288

The so-called scientific studies are coming from right wing sources and think tanks. Undeniably. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #289

That point about the origin of those studies BainsBane Nov 2013 #290

I know that Judith Reisman is right wing. I know that the "Witherspoon Institute" is right wing. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #291

I will do a search of social science databases BainsBane Nov 2013 #292

If it is supposed to be relevant or mean something that Chomsky and Hedges are anti-porn Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #293

as well as Noam Chomsky BainsBane Nov 2013 #294

I will likely not change my opinion that consenting adults should be free to have sex on camera, no. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #296

That's not how research works. There aren't smoking guns BainsBane Nov 2013 #300

No, but the core assertion of Dworkin/MacKinnon 2nd Wave Thought on the topic has been debunked. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #302

The "banning" context... MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #9

I think your assessment is pretty accurate BainsBane Nov 2013 #12

Interesting. MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #22

I also was blessedly away for the holiday most of yesterday BainsBane Nov 2013 #278

Yes, that's exactly where the context came from. Xithras Nov 2013 #46

I have made no such allegation BainsBane Nov 2013 #275

One thing I've noticed is that when President Obama thucythucy Nov 2013 #14

Intersting point, but.. TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #32

Talk about a little "strawmanish." thucythucy Nov 2013 #133

Now you're stretching... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #136

It's all they can muster. historylovr Nov 2013 #147

Rape does get a "far more emotional response" xulamaude Nov 2013 #137

Ooh, very dramatic, but disagreeing with you does not... Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #19

Of course not. I didn't say it did BainsBane Nov 2013 #21

You didn't say it did? Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #26

Great post. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #28

You really are defending an entire genre BainsBane Nov 2013 #33

Here we go attacking women who disagree with you. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #37

No, I'm not saying all porn. This thread and all of the threads this week BainsBane Nov 2013 #40

I torque off certain posters? BainsBane Nov 2013 #31

Raising concerns isn't the problem or the issue. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #44

90% really? Whose estimate is that? Certainly not mine. BainsBane Nov 2013 #74

And this is how a lie is born DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #135

LOL, someone alerted this post........5-1 to allow it....... Logical Nov 2013 #153

Juror #1 pintobean Nov 2013 #154

You hit the nail on the head for me as a woman maddezmom Nov 2013 #34

Who called you an apologist? BainsBane Nov 2013 #35

You only need to take a look at the HOF group maddezmom Nov 2013 #39

So in other words no one has called you a rape apologist BainsBane Nov 2013 #41

No in other words.... maddezmom Nov 2013 #45

Whatever position someone takes in HOF BainsBane Nov 2013 #48

You really don't need to tell me how I should feel or react to posts on DU maddezmom Nov 2013 #55

Okay, I'll put it this way BainsBane Nov 2013 #75

I never said you called me one. Like I said if you don't see it being done to some maddezmom Nov 2013 #84

The clique in HOF is the closest thing we have in DU.. MicaelS Nov 2013 #72

Bwahahaha ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #170

Have you figured out yet BainsBane Nov 2013 #236

"Thought Police" is probably the best description I've read yet. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #203

Right. What would you call the gungeon BainsBane Nov 2013 #235

Authoritarian is an accurate label for Extremists. MicaelS Nov 2013 #259

And what is authoritarian about my position? BainsBane Nov 2013 #263

You're right, maddezmom. polly7 Nov 2013 #53

And offensive. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #56

Exactly! nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #57

Thanks polly maddezmom Nov 2013 #58

Are one of the cohort gender traitors waiting for head pats from porn addicted men Kurska Nov 2013 #59

LOL! Apparently polly7 Nov 2013 #61

No, even though I supposedly defend an entire genre based on rape, torture, and mutilation. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #63

When I objected to the word '*toilet' on this board, I became one of those msanthrope Nov 2013 #150

I know, right? polly7 Nov 2013 #169

Hi, girlfriend!!!(I do believe it was I she was talking about) opiate69 Nov 2013 #106

OMG .... Snookums! polly7 Nov 2013 #113

Now, you'll need to be punished! opiate69 Nov 2013 #115

Oh, shit! polly7 Nov 2013 #117

Lmao! opiate69 Nov 2013 #119

It's all good! polly7 Nov 2013 #139

I think the repeat threads pintobean Nov 2013 #62

i think its a pathological issue, at least there is something going on loli phabay Nov 2013 #65

You may be right pintobean Nov 2013 #71

That's evidence of pathology BainsBane Nov 2013 #238

You replied to yourself pintobean Nov 2013 #249

Hijack my own thread? BainsBane Nov 2013 #252

Uh huh pintobean Nov 2013 #254

Two days later BainsBane Nov 2013 #257

because women who don't think rape is fun entertainment BainsBane Nov 2013 #237

i am pretty sure you have enough hate for both of us. going by your posts. loli phabay Nov 2013 #240

Is that so? BainsBane Nov 2013 #246

yes, i do think hate is at the core of your posts, either of self or others. loli phabay Nov 2013 #248

How is arguing for workers rights hateful? BainsBane Nov 2013 #251

What the hell? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #166

That comment was not directed at you pintobean Nov 2013 #177

What? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #164

+1000 Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #98

Maybe there is a lot of pushback because of how you and others in your group come across quinnox Nov 2013 #27

Opposition to Rape and violence against women = thought police BainsBane Nov 2013 #29

Well, it does seem like many of you folks in that feminism group are pretty unflexible, rigid, and quinnox Nov 2013 #42

Broadbrushing while attackiing broadbrushing BainsBane Nov 2013 #189

LOL nt xulamaude Nov 2013 #195

and that, right there, is the issue summed up The Straight Story Nov 2013 #92

Okay, keep speaking out against porn LittleBlue Nov 2013 #30

The problem is you are asking for all porn to be banned because some of it is exploitative davidn3600 Nov 2013 #47

They'll never admit to that, but Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #50

Unhealthily so. nt RiffRandell Nov 2013 #64

we already have all the laws Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #132

This entire stupid debate started over a thread talking about a law BANNING it Kurska Nov 2013 #49

My problem with porn and gratuitious violence is it makes people more apt to be tolerant of uppityperson Nov 2013 #51

You are correct ... it normalizes some pretty horrid behaviors etherealtruth Nov 2013 #66

Horrid to some. Normal to others. Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #67

We are talking about rape porn etherealtruth Nov 2013 #68

Oh no Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #69

"But a lot of people, women especially ... enjoy the fantasy aspect of it ..." etherealtruth Nov 2013 #85

That you know of. Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #86

Not a fantasy I engage in ... being a victim of brutality just doesn't do it for me etherealtruth Nov 2013 #88

Except the definition of "rape porn" is so broad that it's useless mythology Nov 2013 #143

I reamin unenterained by rape etherealtruth Nov 2013 #148

Different opinions (re: porn) Sissyk Nov 2013 #70

I don't claim to speak for you BainsBane Nov 2013 #73

I think you should reread your OP. Sissyk Nov 2013 #76

Thank you for pointing that out BainsBane Nov 2013 #78

Thank you. Sissyk Nov 2013 #80

Yes, I corrected it to specify men and women. BainsBane Nov 2013 #82

After reading the replies to this OP ad your subsequent responses, this is all that needs to be said cleanhippie Nov 2013 #79

You're not going to stop until the majority believe as you do, are you? EOTE Nov 2013 #81

more popporn worthy if you ask me. loli phabay Nov 2013 #83

No doubt. EOTE Nov 2013 #89

me too, the entertainmemt value is worthy of xhamster. loli phabay Nov 2013 #90

Not much of an xhamster fan Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #91

THIS is why I love threads like this. EOTE Nov 2013 #93

It really is fascinating! Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #94

Truly. I've learned a lot in the past few minutes. EOTE Nov 2013 #95

It used to be more accessible - Check this Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #97

Muchas gracias. nt EOTE Nov 2013 #103

"Mostly confirming my suspicions that Asians are pretty damned kinky." nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #207

A Psychology Today article on various reports for those that want to read more Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #87

For the record renie408 Nov 2013 #104

That's essentially my view BainsBane Nov 2013 #112

Except you did advocate banning. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #111

Not objecting to a UK law is not advocating banning BainsBane Nov 2013 #122

Claim you don't support banning, then spend an entire post defending a law that bans Kurska Nov 2013 #125

But then other posters will be all "YOU HATE PORN/SEX!!!" when all she's talking about here nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #208

20,000 posts in one year? Prism Nov 2013 #128

Yes, being exposed to a viewpoint that makes you uncomfrotable BainsBane Nov 2013 #131

Doesn't make me uncomfortable Prism Nov 2013 #134

Perfectly stated Prism. Puglover Nov 2013 #162

It shows you ignored my entire argument BainsBane Nov 2013 #229

Thread win. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #267

People have been called "rape apologists" and worse in these threads. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #204

Worse than that. Bonobo Nov 2013 #297

Oh, but not according to her. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #298

The "civil discussion" Bonobo Nov 2013 #299

I wish the industry would not make rape porn. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #130

I have the priviledge to trash this repetitive flamebait horsedung. 99Forever Nov 2013 #138

At least one person certainly was advocating banning, LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #141

I'm with you in that I have limited patience. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #142

The issue is that some of it is not consensual BainsBane Nov 2013 #187

Not to mention that the entire issue was brought up by a UK ban on the porn in question. JVS Nov 2013 #146

Where did I said "no one was talking about banning" BainsBane Nov 2013 #188

One poster does so BainsBane Nov 2013 #186

What is your argument? nt rrneck Nov 2013 #193

All you need do is actually read some of the responses BainsBane Nov 2013 #231

Okay, rrneck Nov 2013 #274

I don't back down. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #194

Nothing you have quoted from me in anyway supports your false allegations BainsBane Nov 2013 #223

Seriously? "Lalalala I can't hear you and you're a liar" is the best you can do? LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #276

After literally hundrends of posts on the subject, you won't respond to this one. Threedifferentones Nov 2013 #215

That is not what her posts indicated BainsBane Nov 2013 #272

Wow. So much male privilege in this thread PoliticalPothead Nov 2013 #184

And yet they act like they're being ordered around. Frankly, I don't get it... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #209

Actually MRA isn't about privilege but trying to Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #210

MRA is a far right wing ideology, the gender equivalent of White Supremacy BainsBane Nov 2013 #227

MRA's are right in some aspects: Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #264

If I want facts, I don't go to a hate group BainsBane Nov 2013 #266

Actually I don't consider MRAs or Feminists as hate groups Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #295

Disagreeing with the OP is not "silencing"... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #211

Simply disagreeing with someone is one thing. PoliticalPothead Nov 2013 #212

Some people do believe that the OP's views... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #213

How can you say that PoliticalPothead Nov 2013 #214

See post 194 BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #221

wrong. The OP is BainsBane BainsBane Nov 2013 #233

Enjoy your victim mentality BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #243

LOL BainsBane Nov 2013 #247

you were already shown to be a name-caller BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #258

No, I was not BainsBane Nov 2013 #269

see post 194 BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #277

That's twice now that you've attributed something to me that I never said. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #284

Disagreeing isn't. Silencing would be seeking retribution against a woman BainsBane Nov 2013 #268

Porn is not a part of my sex life... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #286

Don't like it, don't watch it. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #201

Maybe issues like workers rights, slavery, rape culture, the influence on actual rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #226

Were you responding to me? NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #287

When you put yourself on the cross, how do you pound in that last nail? Throd Nov 2013 #217

Try reading the OP BainsBane Nov 2013 #219

I read it twice. Throd Nov 2013 #222

Well, if that were so BainsBane Nov 2013 #224

That has never been in any doubt. Throd Nov 2013 #228

Yet you nonetheless felt compelled BainsBane Nov 2013 #230

He was "silenced" when he left on his own accord. tammywammy Nov 2013 #232

My point is about deligitimating speech BainsBane Nov 2013 #234

Apparently, pointing out that someone is using right-wing, Heritage Institute type sources Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #303

Silenced? HappyMe Nov 2013 #218

What exactly are you speaking up against that has others disagreeing with you? penultimate Nov 2013 #239

Is "Violent Rape Porn" a large part of the pornography consumed?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #250

I don't think it's small BainsBane Nov 2013 #261

No one is trying to shut you up. RandySF Nov 2013 #301