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Xithras

(16,191 posts)
46. Yes, that's exactly where the context came from.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 06:00 PM
Nov 2013

There was a thread about the new anti-porn law in the UK that criminalized the mere possession of "rape porn", even if it simply depicted entirely consensual BDSM. While most of the posters in the thread thankfully condemned the action as meddling in the private bedrooms of consenting adults, a number of posters immediately embraced the move and attacked those of us who defended the simple idea that consenting adults have the ability to make their own choices and that the government has no right to regulate either the sexual behavior of individuals or the publication of FICTION.

Over the past couple of days, those of us who choose to engage in BDSM have been accused of being everything from "deranged", to "mentally unstable", to "abusive monsters" in these threads. Those who have chosen to merely defend the right of adults to make their own sexual choices have been called everything from "rape enablers" to "woman hating sexists". The fact that some have pushed back is only natural.

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I knew someone would tie privilege and anti porn upaloopa Nov 2013 #1
Are you saying privilege isn't a problem? BainsBane Nov 2013 #2
He's what I said about a hundred times. upaloopa Nov 2013 #6
Yet you seem to resent its being mentioned BainsBane Nov 2013 #7
You should re-read what another poster said to you down thread. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #43
this, plus a brazilian loli phabay Nov 2013 #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #96
This is a Brazilian BainsBane Nov 2013 #99
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #102
No way. It's Caetano Veloso BainsBane Nov 2013 #105
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #107
Oh, I see BainsBane Nov 2013 #108
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #109
Yep! BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #100
actually it was prompted by the rude treatment Arcanetranse received BainsBane Nov 2013 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Nov 2013 #157
This whole OP was prompted for one reason and one reason only cleanhippie Nov 2013 #160
How convenient you are omnicient BainsBane Nov 2013 #175
Feeling better, yet? Keep trying, your ego will be soothed eventually. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #176
Happy Thanksgiving to you as well BainsBane Nov 2013 #180
Thanks for the lip service. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #196
Is that so BainsBane Nov 2013 #220
You give te term "facepalm" a whole other meaning. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #253
No I don't upaloopa Nov 2013 #60
Since you edited, I will have to edit BainsBane Nov 2013 #101
where's the 'like' button? Oscarmonster13 Nov 2013 #178
Basically you just liked it. Agschmid Nov 2013 #182
;) Oscarmonster13 Nov 2013 #190
No worries, welcome to DU. Agschmid Nov 2013 #192
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #205
Interesting how many people seem determined to psychoanalyze me BainsBane Nov 2013 #183
As always, I recommend John Scalzi on this topic eridani Nov 2013 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #279
If I am threatened by someones right Peacetrain Nov 2013 #3
I support your right to kvetch. rrneck Nov 2013 #4
Kvetch BainsBane Nov 2013 #5
What effort? rrneck Nov 2013 #10
No, one cannot coerce BainsBane Nov 2013 #13
"Those who care" already agree with you. rrneck Nov 2013 #15
Piss them off? BainsBane Nov 2013 #17
Cue Star Spangled Banner rrneck Nov 2013 #20
Your powers of perception once again fail you BainsBane Nov 2013 #120
How do you think rrneck Nov 2013 #127
Should individual liberty be sacrificed... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #202
I think individual liberty and social justice are *both* worthy ideals. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #206
Suggestion to edit to include "ma'am" as I'm fairly RiffRandell Nov 2013 #25
99% of rapists are male BainsBane Nov 2013 #114
I will agree that statistically it is more uncommon for women. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #123
Also committed by men nt ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #163
"So I should try this, 'Please don't rape/hit me, sir'?" is about as effective as Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #271
If you don't speak out, then what??? CTyankee Nov 2013 #110
It's not whether or not you speak out... rrneck Nov 2013 #124
the whole idea is to change the way our society feels about the rape culture. CTyankee Nov 2013 #126
Profiting from the issue won't make it go away either. rrneck Nov 2013 #129
I am at a loss to understand your thinking here. Bains bain isn't profiting from the issue. CTyankee Nov 2013 #149
While I admire your efforts with this DUer, chervilant Nov 2013 #152
This DUer is defending the right to produce fiction whether it's good or bad. rrneck Nov 2013 #156
Goodness! chervilant Nov 2013 #179
I find your observations about as helpful and enlightening as porn. rrneck Nov 2013 #185
Awwwww. Aren't you sweet. rrneck Nov 2013 #155
I find it difficult to follow arguments based on blather. CTyankee Nov 2013 #158
I'll ask you again. rrneck Nov 2013 #159
Ya know, buddy,I've had just about enough of this. Come back when you are calmer and can discuss CTyankee Nov 2013 #216
Well, I'll just have to work with what I've got then. rrneck Nov 2013 #245
No, you didn't. You asked me to join with you and talk feminism's "lunatic fringe." CTyankee Nov 2013 #260
Another fine example. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #262
"In fact, do you even know what "rape culture" is?" xulamaude Nov 2013 #165
Yep. I've looked at some of it. rrneck Nov 2013 #168
Okay. xulamaude Nov 2013 #171
Hang on, I'll see if I can find it. rrneck Nov 2013 #172
No need to bother. xulamaude Nov 2013 #173
No worries rrneck Nov 2013 #174
"Banning wouldn't do you any good anyway" I oppose bans because they do harm. JVS Nov 2013 #145
And the fact that this is the 6th or 7th thread on the topic, would indicate that no "silencing" is Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #8
Rape. That's what we're talking about. Rape. BainsBane Nov 2013 #11
Yep, that's what we're talking about rrneck Nov 2013 #16
Ha! RiffRandell Nov 2013 #23
If you are coming across videos of rape as often as you say they are out there.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #18
+1. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #24
Excuse me BainsBane Nov 2013 #36
You're excused. Here are some words of wisdom another poster gave you. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #77
rofl, now this was funny loli phabay Nov 2013 #54
Show me where I have accused someone of being a rape apologist in these porn threads? BainsBane Nov 2013 #38
Oh please ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #140
Are you asserting that no rape porn is made without consent? BainsBane Nov 2013 #144
Nope, I'm asserting that you can't believe women would consent.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #151
Doing that would require her to actually DO something other than rant on an anonymous message board cleanhippie Nov 2013 #161
Rule #3 xulamaude Nov 2013 #167
Keeping my mouth shut like a good girl BainsBane Nov 2013 #242
*pats head* xulamaude Nov 2013 #255
What precisely is it you are "doing' BainsBane Nov 2013 #244
How's that ego doing? A bit bruised, I imagine. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #256
How can it be bruised BainsBane Nov 2013 #265
Yep, it's bruised. Badly, too, judging by your defensiveness. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #270
So it couldn't have been about propping up my ego then? BainsBane Nov 2013 #273
You're projecting. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #283
Actually I never said that women can't consent BainsBane Nov 2013 #241
You'll have to direct me to which post I'm supposed to refer to today.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #281
Yes libodem Nov 2013 #116
It's not an issue of whether the actors consent Scootaloo Nov 2013 #181
I do not think that presenting rape as sexy, entertainment, or no big deal is good. So we're clear. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #191
No? That's good, but hard to read from your post Scootaloo Nov 2013 #197
It's despicable, I don't watch it, but I also don't make other peoples' decisions for them Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #198
Yes, that's how the topic came up, but it's not what it's about Scootaloo Nov 2013 #199
Who's arguing? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #200
blowjobs BainsBane Nov 2013 #225
It wasn't "one post", it was a whole thread containing a ridiculous statistic that has, Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #280
As I have said MANY times BainsBane Nov 2013 #282
I did. Workers in the Domestic adult industry are protected by the same laws as other workers. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #285
the issue of workers rights applies to all porn, as to all industries BainsBane Nov 2013 #288
The so-called scientific studies are coming from right wing sources and think tanks. Undeniably. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #289
That point about the origin of those studies BainsBane Nov 2013 #290
I know that Judith Reisman is right wing. I know that the "Witherspoon Institute" is right wing. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #291
I will do a search of social science databases BainsBane Nov 2013 #292
If it is supposed to be relevant or mean something that Chomsky and Hedges are anti-porn Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #293
as well as Noam Chomsky BainsBane Nov 2013 #294
I will likely not change my opinion that consenting adults should be free to have sex on camera, no. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #296
That's not how research works. There aren't smoking guns BainsBane Nov 2013 #300
No, but the core assertion of Dworkin/MacKinnon 2nd Wave Thought on the topic has been debunked. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #302
The "banning" context... MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #9
I think your assessment is pretty accurate BainsBane Nov 2013 #12
Interesting. MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #22
I also was blessedly away for the holiday most of yesterday BainsBane Nov 2013 #278
Yes, that's exactly where the context came from. Xithras Nov 2013 #46
I have made no such allegation BainsBane Nov 2013 #275
One thing I've noticed is that when President Obama thucythucy Nov 2013 #14
Intersting point, but.. TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #32
Talk about a little "strawmanish." thucythucy Nov 2013 #133
Now you're stretching... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #136
It's all they can muster. historylovr Nov 2013 #147
Rape does get a "far more emotional response" xulamaude Nov 2013 #137
Ooh, very dramatic, but disagreeing with you does not... Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #19
Of course not. I didn't say it did BainsBane Nov 2013 #21
You didn't say it did? Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #26
Great post. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #28
You really are defending an entire genre BainsBane Nov 2013 #33
Here we go attacking women who disagree with you. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #37
No, I'm not saying all porn. This thread and all of the threads this week BainsBane Nov 2013 #40
I torque off certain posters? BainsBane Nov 2013 #31
Raising concerns isn't the problem or the issue. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #44
90% really? Whose estimate is that? Certainly not mine. BainsBane Nov 2013 #74
And this is how a lie is born DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #135
LOL, someone alerted this post........5-1 to allow it....... Logical Nov 2013 #153
Juror #1 pintobean Nov 2013 #154
You hit the nail on the head for me as a woman maddezmom Nov 2013 #34
Who called you an apologist? BainsBane Nov 2013 #35
You only need to take a look at the HOF group maddezmom Nov 2013 #39
So in other words no one has called you a rape apologist BainsBane Nov 2013 #41
No in other words.... maddezmom Nov 2013 #45
Whatever position someone takes in HOF BainsBane Nov 2013 #48
You really don't need to tell me how I should feel or react to posts on DU maddezmom Nov 2013 #55
Okay, I'll put it this way BainsBane Nov 2013 #75
I never said you called me one. Like I said if you don't see it being done to some maddezmom Nov 2013 #84
The clique in HOF is the closest thing we have in DU.. MicaelS Nov 2013 #72
Bwahahaha ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #170
Have you figured out yet BainsBane Nov 2013 #236
"Thought Police" is probably the best description I've read yet. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #203
Right. What would you call the gungeon BainsBane Nov 2013 #235
Authoritarian is an accurate label for Extremists. MicaelS Nov 2013 #259
And what is authoritarian about my position? BainsBane Nov 2013 #263
You're right, maddezmom. polly7 Nov 2013 #53
And offensive. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #56
Exactly! nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #57
Thanks polly maddezmom Nov 2013 #58
Are one of the cohort gender traitors waiting for head pats from porn addicted men Kurska Nov 2013 #59
LOL! Apparently polly7 Nov 2013 #61
No, even though I supposedly defend an entire genre based on rape, torture, and mutilation. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #63
When I objected to the word '*toilet' on this board, I became one of those msanthrope Nov 2013 #150
I know, right? polly7 Nov 2013 #169
Hi, girlfriend!!!(I do believe it was I she was talking about) opiate69 Nov 2013 #106
OMG .... Snookums! polly7 Nov 2013 #113
Now, you'll need to be punished! opiate69 Nov 2013 #115
Oh, shit! polly7 Nov 2013 #117
Lmao! opiate69 Nov 2013 #119
It's all good! polly7 Nov 2013 #139
I think the repeat threads pintobean Nov 2013 #62
i think its a pathological issue, at least there is something going on loli phabay Nov 2013 #65
You may be right pintobean Nov 2013 #71
That's evidence of pathology BainsBane Nov 2013 #238
You replied to yourself pintobean Nov 2013 #249
Hijack my own thread? BainsBane Nov 2013 #252
Uh huh pintobean Nov 2013 #254
Two days later BainsBane Nov 2013 #257
because women who don't think rape is fun entertainment BainsBane Nov 2013 #237
i am pretty sure you have enough hate for both of us. going by your posts. loli phabay Nov 2013 #240
Is that so? BainsBane Nov 2013 #246
yes, i do think hate is at the core of your posts, either of self or others. loli phabay Nov 2013 #248
How is arguing for workers rights hateful? BainsBane Nov 2013 #251
What the hell? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #166
That comment was not directed at you pintobean Nov 2013 #177
What? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #164
+1000 Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #98
Maybe there is a lot of pushback because of how you and others in your group come across quinnox Nov 2013 #27
Opposition to Rape and violence against women = thought police BainsBane Nov 2013 #29
Well, it does seem like many of you folks in that feminism group are pretty unflexible, rigid, and quinnox Nov 2013 #42
Broadbrushing while attackiing broadbrushing BainsBane Nov 2013 #189
LOL nt xulamaude Nov 2013 #195
and that, right there, is the issue summed up The Straight Story Nov 2013 #92
Okay, keep speaking out against porn LittleBlue Nov 2013 #30
The problem is you are asking for all porn to be banned because some of it is exploitative davidn3600 Nov 2013 #47
They'll never admit to that, but Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #50
Unhealthily so. nt RiffRandell Nov 2013 #64
we already have all the laws Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #132
This entire stupid debate started over a thread talking about a law BANNING it Kurska Nov 2013 #49
My problem with porn and gratuitious violence is it makes people more apt to be tolerant of uppityperson Nov 2013 #51
You are correct ... it normalizes some pretty horrid behaviors etherealtruth Nov 2013 #66
Horrid to some. Normal to others. Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #67
We are talking about rape porn etherealtruth Nov 2013 #68
Oh no Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #69
"But a lot of people, women especially ... enjoy the fantasy aspect of it ..." etherealtruth Nov 2013 #85
That you know of. Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #86
Not a fantasy I engage in ... being a victim of brutality just doesn't do it for me etherealtruth Nov 2013 #88
Except the definition of "rape porn" is so broad that it's useless mythology Nov 2013 #143
I reamin unenterained by rape etherealtruth Nov 2013 #148
Different opinions (re: porn) Sissyk Nov 2013 #70
I don't claim to speak for you BainsBane Nov 2013 #73
I think you should reread your OP. Sissyk Nov 2013 #76
Thank you for pointing that out BainsBane Nov 2013 #78
Thank you. Sissyk Nov 2013 #80
Yes, I corrected it to specify men and women. BainsBane Nov 2013 #82
After reading the replies to this OP ad your subsequent responses, this is all that needs to be said cleanhippie Nov 2013 #79
You're not going to stop until the majority believe as you do, are you? EOTE Nov 2013 #81
more popporn worthy if you ask me. loli phabay Nov 2013 #83
No doubt. EOTE Nov 2013 #89
me too, the entertainmemt value is worthy of xhamster. loli phabay Nov 2013 #90
Not much of an xhamster fan Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #91
THIS is why I love threads like this. EOTE Nov 2013 #93
It really is fascinating! Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #94
Truly. I've learned a lot in the past few minutes. EOTE Nov 2013 #95
It used to be more accessible - Check this Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #97
Muchas gracias. nt EOTE Nov 2013 #103
"Mostly confirming my suspicions that Asians are pretty damned kinky." nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #207
A Psychology Today article on various reports for those that want to read more Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #87
For the record renie408 Nov 2013 #104
That's essentially my view BainsBane Nov 2013 #112
Except you did advocate banning. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #111
Not objecting to a UK law is not advocating banning BainsBane Nov 2013 #122
Claim you don't support banning, then spend an entire post defending a law that bans Kurska Nov 2013 #125
But then other posters will be all "YOU HATE PORN/SEX!!!" when all she's talking about here nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #208
20,000 posts in one year? Prism Nov 2013 #128
Yes, being exposed to a viewpoint that makes you uncomfrotable BainsBane Nov 2013 #131
Doesn't make me uncomfortable Prism Nov 2013 #134
Perfectly stated Prism. Puglover Nov 2013 #162
It shows you ignored my entire argument BainsBane Nov 2013 #229
Thread win. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #267
People have been called "rape apologists" and worse in these threads. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #204
Worse than that. Bonobo Nov 2013 #297
Oh, but not according to her. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #298
The "civil discussion" Bonobo Nov 2013 #299
I wish the industry would not make rape porn. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #130
I have the priviledge to trash this repetitive flamebait horsedung. 99Forever Nov 2013 #138
At least one person certainly was advocating banning, LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #141
I'm with you in that I have limited patience. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #142
The issue is that some of it is not consensual BainsBane Nov 2013 #187
Not to mention that the entire issue was brought up by a UK ban on the porn in question. JVS Nov 2013 #146
Where did I said "no one was talking about banning" BainsBane Nov 2013 #188
One poster does so BainsBane Nov 2013 #186
What is your argument? nt rrneck Nov 2013 #193
All you need do is actually read some of the responses BainsBane Nov 2013 #231
Okay, rrneck Nov 2013 #274
I don't back down. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #194
Nothing you have quoted from me in anyway supports your false allegations BainsBane Nov 2013 #223
Seriously? "Lalalala I can't hear you and you're a liar" is the best you can do? LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #276
After literally hundrends of posts on the subject, you won't respond to this one. Threedifferentones Nov 2013 #215
That is not what her posts indicated BainsBane Nov 2013 #272
Wow. So much male privilege in this thread PoliticalPothead Nov 2013 #184
And yet they act like they're being ordered around. Frankly, I don't get it... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #209
Actually MRA isn't about privilege but trying to Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #210
MRA is a far right wing ideology, the gender equivalent of White Supremacy BainsBane Nov 2013 #227
MRA's are right in some aspects: Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #264
If I want facts, I don't go to a hate group BainsBane Nov 2013 #266
Actually I don't consider MRAs or Feminists as hate groups Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #295
Disagreeing with the OP is not "silencing"... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #211
Simply disagreeing with someone is one thing. PoliticalPothead Nov 2013 #212
Some people do believe that the OP's views... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #213
How can you say that PoliticalPothead Nov 2013 #214
See post 194 BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #221
wrong. The OP is BainsBane BainsBane Nov 2013 #233
Enjoy your victim mentality BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #243
LOL BainsBane Nov 2013 #247
you were already shown to be a name-caller BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #258
No, I was not BainsBane Nov 2013 #269
see post 194 BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #277
That's twice now that you've attributed something to me that I never said. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #284
Disagreeing isn't. Silencing would be seeking retribution against a woman BainsBane Nov 2013 #268
Porn is not a part of my sex life... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #286
Don't like it, don't watch it. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #201
Maybe issues like workers rights, slavery, rape culture, the influence on actual rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #226
Were you responding to me? NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #287
When you put yourself on the cross, how do you pound in that last nail? Throd Nov 2013 #217
Try reading the OP BainsBane Nov 2013 #219
I read it twice. Throd Nov 2013 #222
Well, if that were so BainsBane Nov 2013 #224
That has never been in any doubt. Throd Nov 2013 #228
Yet you nonetheless felt compelled BainsBane Nov 2013 #230
He was "silenced" when he left on his own accord. tammywammy Nov 2013 #232
My point is about deligitimating speech BainsBane Nov 2013 #234
Apparently, pointing out that someone is using right-wing, Heritage Institute type sources Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #303
Silenced? HappyMe Nov 2013 #218
What exactly are you speaking up against that has others disagreeing with you? penultimate Nov 2013 #239
Is "Violent Rape Porn" a large part of the pornography consumed?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #250
I don't think it's small BainsBane Nov 2013 #261
No one is trying to shut you up. RandySF Nov 2013 #301
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