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BainsBane

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131. Yes, being exposed to a viewpoint that makes you uncomfrotable

Wed Nov 27, 2013, 09:41 PM

Nov 2013

Is far worse than being the target of actual rape or violence. How awful for you to have to endure free speech. Of course you announced that you never read what I wrote, so my "abuse of you" can't really have been that serious, could it? You remain in your myopic world, unencumbered by dissent, nagging feminists concerned about trivialities like rape and rape culture--something you insisted I have no right to mention.

My OP was prompted by the rude treatment and accusations of trolling on Arcantrance, which resulted in his deleting his OP.

I did not claim bullying and abuse by members here. I observed efforts to silence through delegitimating speech. Accusing someone of being abusive and a bully for voicing their views is one such effort to declare speech illegitimate.

You are quite right that no one silences me, and that clearly disturbs you.

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It has not gone unnoticed (re: porn) [View all] BainsBane Nov 2013 OP

I knew someone would tie privilege and anti porn upaloopa Nov 2013 #1

Are you saying privilege isn't a problem? BainsBane Nov 2013 #2

He's what I said about a hundred times. upaloopa Nov 2013 #6

Yet you seem to resent its being mentioned BainsBane Nov 2013 #7

You should re-read what another poster said to you down thread. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #43

this, plus a brazilian loli phabay Nov 2013 #52

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #96

This is a Brazilian BainsBane Nov 2013 #99

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #102

No way. It's Caetano Veloso BainsBane Nov 2013 #105

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #107

Oh, I see BainsBane Nov 2013 #108

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #109

Yep! BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #100

actually it was prompted by the rude treatment Arcanetranse received BainsBane Nov 2013 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Nov 2013 #157

This whole OP was prompted for one reason and one reason only cleanhippie Nov 2013 #160

How convenient you are omnicient BainsBane Nov 2013 #175

Feeling better, yet? Keep trying, your ego will be soothed eventually. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #176

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well BainsBane Nov 2013 #180

Thanks for the lip service. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #196

Is that so BainsBane Nov 2013 #220

You give te term "facepalm" a whole other meaning. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #253

No I don't upaloopa Nov 2013 #60

Since you edited, I will have to edit BainsBane Nov 2013 #101

where's the 'like' button? Oscarmonster13 Nov 2013 #178

Basically you just liked it. Agschmid Nov 2013 #182

;) Oscarmonster13 Nov 2013 #190

No worries, welcome to DU. Agschmid Nov 2013 #192

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #205

Interesting how many people seem determined to psychoanalyze me BainsBane Nov 2013 #183

As always, I recommend John Scalzi on this topic eridani Nov 2013 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #279

If I am threatened by someones right Peacetrain Nov 2013 #3

I support your right to kvetch. rrneck Nov 2013 #4

Kvetch BainsBane Nov 2013 #5

What effort? rrneck Nov 2013 #10

No, one cannot coerce BainsBane Nov 2013 #13

"Those who care" already agree with you. rrneck Nov 2013 #15

Piss them off? BainsBane Nov 2013 #17

Cue Star Spangled Banner rrneck Nov 2013 #20

Your powers of perception once again fail you BainsBane Nov 2013 #120

How do you think rrneck Nov 2013 #127

Should individual liberty be sacrificed... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #202

I think individual liberty and social justice are *both* worthy ideals. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #206

Suggestion to edit to include "ma'am" as I'm fairly RiffRandell Nov 2013 #25

99% of rapists are male BainsBane Nov 2013 #114

I will agree that statistically it is more uncommon for women. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #123

Also committed by men nt ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #163

"So I should try this, 'Please don't rape/hit me, sir'?" is about as effective as Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #271

If you don't speak out, then what??? CTyankee Nov 2013 #110

It's not whether or not you speak out... rrneck Nov 2013 #124

the whole idea is to change the way our society feels about the rape culture. CTyankee Nov 2013 #126

Profiting from the issue won't make it go away either. rrneck Nov 2013 #129

I am at a loss to understand your thinking here. Bains bain isn't profiting from the issue. CTyankee Nov 2013 #149

While I admire your efforts with this DUer, chervilant Nov 2013 #152

This DUer is defending the right to produce fiction whether it's good or bad. rrneck Nov 2013 #156

Goodness! chervilant Nov 2013 #179

I find your observations about as helpful and enlightening as porn. rrneck Nov 2013 #185

Awwwww. Aren't you sweet. rrneck Nov 2013 #155

I find it difficult to follow arguments based on blather. CTyankee Nov 2013 #158

I'll ask you again. rrneck Nov 2013 #159

Ya know, buddy,I've had just about enough of this. Come back when you are calmer and can discuss CTyankee Nov 2013 #216

Well, I'll just have to work with what I've got then. rrneck Nov 2013 #245

No, you didn't. You asked me to join with you and talk feminism's "lunatic fringe." CTyankee Nov 2013 #260

Another fine example. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #262

"In fact, do you even know what "rape culture" is?" xulamaude Nov 2013 #165

Yep. I've looked at some of it. rrneck Nov 2013 #168

Okay. xulamaude Nov 2013 #171

Hang on, I'll see if I can find it. rrneck Nov 2013 #172

No need to bother. xulamaude Nov 2013 #173

No worries rrneck Nov 2013 #174

"Banning wouldn't do you any good anyway" I oppose bans because they do harm. JVS Nov 2013 #145

And the fact that this is the 6th or 7th thread on the topic, would indicate that no "silencing" is Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #8

Rape. That's what we're talking about. Rape. BainsBane Nov 2013 #11

Yep, that's what we're talking about rrneck Nov 2013 #16

Ha! RiffRandell Nov 2013 #23

If you are coming across videos of rape as often as you say they are out there.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #18

+1. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #24

Excuse me BainsBane Nov 2013 #36

You're excused. Here are some words of wisdom another poster gave you. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #77

rofl, now this was funny loli phabay Nov 2013 #54

Show me where I have accused someone of being a rape apologist in these porn threads? BainsBane Nov 2013 #38

Oh please ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #140

Are you asserting that no rape porn is made without consent? BainsBane Nov 2013 #144

Nope, I'm asserting that you can't believe women would consent.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #151

Doing that would require her to actually DO something other than rant on an anonymous message board cleanhippie Nov 2013 #161

Rule #3 xulamaude Nov 2013 #167

Keeping my mouth shut like a good girl BainsBane Nov 2013 #242

*pats head* xulamaude Nov 2013 #255

What precisely is it you are "doing' BainsBane Nov 2013 #244

How's that ego doing? A bit bruised, I imagine. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #256

How can it be bruised BainsBane Nov 2013 #265

Yep, it's bruised. Badly, too, judging by your defensiveness. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #270

So it couldn't have been about propping up my ego then? BainsBane Nov 2013 #273

You're projecting. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #283

Actually I never said that women can't consent BainsBane Nov 2013 #241

You'll have to direct me to which post I'm supposed to refer to today.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #281

Yes libodem Nov 2013 #116

It's not an issue of whether the actors consent Scootaloo Nov 2013 #181

I do not think that presenting rape as sexy, entertainment, or no big deal is good. So we're clear. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #191

No? That's good, but hard to read from your post Scootaloo Nov 2013 #197

It's despicable, I don't watch it, but I also don't make other peoples' decisions for them Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #198

Yes, that's how the topic came up, but it's not what it's about Scootaloo Nov 2013 #199

Who's arguing? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #200

blowjobs BainsBane Nov 2013 #225

It wasn't "one post", it was a whole thread containing a ridiculous statistic that has, Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #280

As I have said MANY times BainsBane Nov 2013 #282

I did. Workers in the Domestic adult industry are protected by the same laws as other workers. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #285

the issue of workers rights applies to all porn, as to all industries BainsBane Nov 2013 #288

The so-called scientific studies are coming from right wing sources and think tanks. Undeniably. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #289

That point about the origin of those studies BainsBane Nov 2013 #290

I know that Judith Reisman is right wing. I know that the "Witherspoon Institute" is right wing. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #291

I will do a search of social science databases BainsBane Nov 2013 #292

If it is supposed to be relevant or mean something that Chomsky and Hedges are anti-porn Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #293

as well as Noam Chomsky BainsBane Nov 2013 #294

I will likely not change my opinion that consenting adults should be free to have sex on camera, no. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #296

That's not how research works. There aren't smoking guns BainsBane Nov 2013 #300

No, but the core assertion of Dworkin/MacKinnon 2nd Wave Thought on the topic has been debunked. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #302

The "banning" context... MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #9

I think your assessment is pretty accurate BainsBane Nov 2013 #12

Interesting. MyshkinCommaPrince Nov 2013 #22

I also was blessedly away for the holiday most of yesterday BainsBane Nov 2013 #278

Yes, that's exactly where the context came from. Xithras Nov 2013 #46

I have made no such allegation BainsBane Nov 2013 #275

One thing I've noticed is that when President Obama thucythucy Nov 2013 #14

Intersting point, but.. TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #32

Talk about a little "strawmanish." thucythucy Nov 2013 #133

Now you're stretching... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #136

It's all they can muster. historylovr Nov 2013 #147

Rape does get a "far more emotional response" xulamaude Nov 2013 #137

Ooh, very dramatic, but disagreeing with you does not... Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #19

Of course not. I didn't say it did BainsBane Nov 2013 #21

You didn't say it did? Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #26

Great post. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #28

You really are defending an entire genre BainsBane Nov 2013 #33

Here we go attacking women who disagree with you. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #37

No, I'm not saying all porn. This thread and all of the threads this week BainsBane Nov 2013 #40

I torque off certain posters? BainsBane Nov 2013 #31

Raising concerns isn't the problem or the issue. Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #44

90% really? Whose estimate is that? Certainly not mine. BainsBane Nov 2013 #74

And this is how a lie is born DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #135

LOL, someone alerted this post........5-1 to allow it....... Logical Nov 2013 #153

Juror #1 pintobean Nov 2013 #154

You hit the nail on the head for me as a woman maddezmom Nov 2013 #34

Who called you an apologist? BainsBane Nov 2013 #35

You only need to take a look at the HOF group maddezmom Nov 2013 #39

So in other words no one has called you a rape apologist BainsBane Nov 2013 #41

No in other words.... maddezmom Nov 2013 #45

Whatever position someone takes in HOF BainsBane Nov 2013 #48

You really don't need to tell me how I should feel or react to posts on DU maddezmom Nov 2013 #55

Okay, I'll put it this way BainsBane Nov 2013 #75

I never said you called me one. Like I said if you don't see it being done to some maddezmom Nov 2013 #84

The clique in HOF is the closest thing we have in DU.. MicaelS Nov 2013 #72

Bwahahaha ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #170

Have you figured out yet BainsBane Nov 2013 #236

"Thought Police" is probably the best description I've read yet. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #203

Right. What would you call the gungeon BainsBane Nov 2013 #235

Authoritarian is an accurate label for Extremists. MicaelS Nov 2013 #259

And what is authoritarian about my position? BainsBane Nov 2013 #263

You're right, maddezmom. polly7 Nov 2013 #53

And offensive. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #56

Exactly! nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #57

Thanks polly maddezmom Nov 2013 #58

Are one of the cohort gender traitors waiting for head pats from porn addicted men Kurska Nov 2013 #59

LOL! Apparently polly7 Nov 2013 #61

No, even though I supposedly defend an entire genre based on rape, torture, and mutilation. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #63

When I objected to the word '*toilet' on this board, I became one of those msanthrope Nov 2013 #150

I know, right? polly7 Nov 2013 #169

Hi, girlfriend!!!(I do believe it was I she was talking about) opiate69 Nov 2013 #106

OMG .... Snookums! polly7 Nov 2013 #113

Now, you'll need to be punished! opiate69 Nov 2013 #115

Oh, shit! polly7 Nov 2013 #117

Lmao! opiate69 Nov 2013 #119

It's all good! polly7 Nov 2013 #139

I think the repeat threads pintobean Nov 2013 #62

i think its a pathological issue, at least there is something going on loli phabay Nov 2013 #65

You may be right pintobean Nov 2013 #71

That's evidence of pathology BainsBane Nov 2013 #238

You replied to yourself pintobean Nov 2013 #249

Hijack my own thread? BainsBane Nov 2013 #252

Uh huh pintobean Nov 2013 #254

Two days later BainsBane Nov 2013 #257

because women who don't think rape is fun entertainment BainsBane Nov 2013 #237

i am pretty sure you have enough hate for both of us. going by your posts. loli phabay Nov 2013 #240

Is that so? BainsBane Nov 2013 #246

yes, i do think hate is at the core of your posts, either of self or others. loli phabay Nov 2013 #248

How is arguing for workers rights hateful? BainsBane Nov 2013 #251

What the hell? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #166

That comment was not directed at you pintobean Nov 2013 #177

What? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #164

+1000 Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #98

Maybe there is a lot of pushback because of how you and others in your group come across quinnox Nov 2013 #27

Opposition to Rape and violence against women = thought police BainsBane Nov 2013 #29

Well, it does seem like many of you folks in that feminism group are pretty unflexible, rigid, and quinnox Nov 2013 #42

Broadbrushing while attackiing broadbrushing BainsBane Nov 2013 #189

LOL nt xulamaude Nov 2013 #195

and that, right there, is the issue summed up The Straight Story Nov 2013 #92

Okay, keep speaking out against porn LittleBlue Nov 2013 #30

The problem is you are asking for all porn to be banned because some of it is exploitative davidn3600 Nov 2013 #47

They'll never admit to that, but Old and In the Way Nov 2013 #50

Unhealthily so. nt RiffRandell Nov 2013 #64

we already have all the laws Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #132

This entire stupid debate started over a thread talking about a law BANNING it Kurska Nov 2013 #49

My problem with porn and gratuitious violence is it makes people more apt to be tolerant of uppityperson Nov 2013 #51

You are correct ... it normalizes some pretty horrid behaviors etherealtruth Nov 2013 #66

Horrid to some. Normal to others. Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #67

We are talking about rape porn etherealtruth Nov 2013 #68

Oh no Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #69

"But a lot of people, women especially ... enjoy the fantasy aspect of it ..." etherealtruth Nov 2013 #85

That you know of. Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #86

Not a fantasy I engage in ... being a victim of brutality just doesn't do it for me etherealtruth Nov 2013 #88

Except the definition of "rape porn" is so broad that it's useless mythology Nov 2013 #143

I reamin unenterained by rape etherealtruth Nov 2013 #148

Different opinions (re: porn) Sissyk Nov 2013 #70

I don't claim to speak for you BainsBane Nov 2013 #73

I think you should reread your OP. Sissyk Nov 2013 #76

Thank you for pointing that out BainsBane Nov 2013 #78

Thank you. Sissyk Nov 2013 #80

Yes, I corrected it to specify men and women. BainsBane Nov 2013 #82

After reading the replies to this OP ad your subsequent responses, this is all that needs to be said cleanhippie Nov 2013 #79

You're not going to stop until the majority believe as you do, are you? EOTE Nov 2013 #81

more popporn worthy if you ask me. loli phabay Nov 2013 #83

No doubt. EOTE Nov 2013 #89

me too, the entertainmemt value is worthy of xhamster. loli phabay Nov 2013 #90

Not much of an xhamster fan Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #91

THIS is why I love threads like this. EOTE Nov 2013 #93

It really is fascinating! Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #94

Truly. I've learned a lot in the past few minutes. EOTE Nov 2013 #95

It used to be more accessible - Check this Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #97

Muchas gracias. nt EOTE Nov 2013 #103

"Mostly confirming my suspicions that Asians are pretty damned kinky." nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #207

A Psychology Today article on various reports for those that want to read more Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #87

For the record renie408 Nov 2013 #104

That's essentially my view BainsBane Nov 2013 #112

Except you did advocate banning. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #111

Not objecting to a UK law is not advocating banning BainsBane Nov 2013 #122

Claim you don't support banning, then spend an entire post defending a law that bans Kurska Nov 2013 #125

But then other posters will be all "YOU HATE PORN/SEX!!!" when all she's talking about here nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #208

20,000 posts in one year? Prism Nov 2013 #128

Yes, being exposed to a viewpoint that makes you uncomfrotable BainsBane Nov 2013 #131

Doesn't make me uncomfortable Prism Nov 2013 #134

Perfectly stated Prism. Puglover Nov 2013 #162

It shows you ignored my entire argument BainsBane Nov 2013 #229

Thread win. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #267

People have been called "rape apologists" and worse in these threads. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #204

Worse than that. Bonobo Nov 2013 #297

Oh, but not according to her. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #298

The "civil discussion" Bonobo Nov 2013 #299

I wish the industry would not make rape porn. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #130

I have the priviledge to trash this repetitive flamebait horsedung. 99Forever Nov 2013 #138

At least one person certainly was advocating banning, LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #141

I'm with you in that I have limited patience. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #142

The issue is that some of it is not consensual BainsBane Nov 2013 #187

Not to mention that the entire issue was brought up by a UK ban on the porn in question. JVS Nov 2013 #146

Where did I said "no one was talking about banning" BainsBane Nov 2013 #188

One poster does so BainsBane Nov 2013 #186

What is your argument? nt rrneck Nov 2013 #193

All you need do is actually read some of the responses BainsBane Nov 2013 #231

Okay, rrneck Nov 2013 #274

I don't back down. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #194

Nothing you have quoted from me in anyway supports your false allegations BainsBane Nov 2013 #223

Seriously? "Lalalala I can't hear you and you're a liar" is the best you can do? LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #276

After literally hundrends of posts on the subject, you won't respond to this one. Threedifferentones Nov 2013 #215

That is not what her posts indicated BainsBane Nov 2013 #272

Wow. So much male privilege in this thread PoliticalPothead Nov 2013 #184

And yet they act like they're being ordered around. Frankly, I don't get it... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #209

Actually MRA isn't about privilege but trying to Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #210

MRA is a far right wing ideology, the gender equivalent of White Supremacy BainsBane Nov 2013 #227

MRA's are right in some aspects: Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #264

If I want facts, I don't go to a hate group BainsBane Nov 2013 #266

Actually I don't consider MRAs or Feminists as hate groups Harmony Blue Nov 2013 #295

Disagreeing with the OP is not "silencing"... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #211

Simply disagreeing with someone is one thing. PoliticalPothead Nov 2013 #212

Some people do believe that the OP's views... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #213

How can you say that PoliticalPothead Nov 2013 #214

See post 194 BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #221

wrong. The OP is BainsBane BainsBane Nov 2013 #233

Enjoy your victim mentality BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #243

LOL BainsBane Nov 2013 #247

you were already shown to be a name-caller BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #258

No, I was not BainsBane Nov 2013 #269

see post 194 BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #277

That's twice now that you've attributed something to me that I never said. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #284

Disagreeing isn't. Silencing would be seeking retribution against a woman BainsBane Nov 2013 #268

Porn is not a part of my sex life... NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #286

Don't like it, don't watch it. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #201

Maybe issues like workers rights, slavery, rape culture, the influence on actual rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #226

Were you responding to me? NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #287

When you put yourself on the cross, how do you pound in that last nail? Throd Nov 2013 #217

Try reading the OP BainsBane Nov 2013 #219

I read it twice. Throd Nov 2013 #222

Well, if that were so BainsBane Nov 2013 #224

That has never been in any doubt. Throd Nov 2013 #228

Yet you nonetheless felt compelled BainsBane Nov 2013 #230

He was "silenced" when he left on his own accord. tammywammy Nov 2013 #232

My point is about deligitimating speech BainsBane Nov 2013 #234

Apparently, pointing out that someone is using right-wing, Heritage Institute type sources Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #303

Silenced? HappyMe Nov 2013 #218

What exactly are you speaking up against that has others disagreeing with you? penultimate Nov 2013 #239

Is "Violent Rape Porn" a large part of the pornography consumed?/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #250

I don't think it's small BainsBane Nov 2013 #261

No one is trying to shut you up. RandySF Nov 2013 #301