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In reply to the discussion: I just don't get why people can't accept that a punk-ass loser killed JFK [View all]TexasProgresive
(12,687 posts)71. No link but the testimony of 2 gun collectors in 1969.
One I worked with the other was a friend, neither knew the other. Both had bought the same type rifle because of its notoriety. Both men said that their rifles were extremely inaccurate and that they would never use them to hunt and not even to shoot again on the range as that would be a waste of ammo. Both these men were expert marksmen and not prone to lying. I trust what they told me.
But here's a link that might shed a bit of light:
http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Misc/6.5x52%20Mannlicher-Carcano/6.5mm%20Carcano.htm
The Italian government adopted the 6.5x52mm cartridge and the Mannlicher-Carcano M-91 bolt action rifle in 1891. This rifle and cartridge served the Italian military through two World Wars, victoriously in the First, and in a losing effort in the Second.
The M-91's used in WW II were, in the main, not very well made rifles; nor were they particularly accurate. Although the M-91 was always nominally a 6.5mm rifle, during the long years of production the bore and groove sizes of barrels varied considerably, which certainly did not help the rifle's reputation for accuracy. At least some (and perhaps all) M-91 TS Carbines were rifled with an unusual gain twist in their handy 21" barrel. By the end of the Second World War many of the M-91's had actions that were rather loose. In addition, the Mannlicher-Carcano action is not an easy one to adopt to a telescopic sight (although it can be done). For all of these reasons the M-91 is not the best military rifle to use as the basis of a sporter--in fact it is probably one of the worst.
The one real virtue of the M-91 is that it was a fast to operate. Perhaps this was partly because the action was not real tight, and partly due to the Mannlicher design. But for whatever reason, the bolt slid very easily and very fast in its recess. A buddy of mine owned an M-91 Carbine, and I remember it as being the fastest bolt action military rifle I ever cycled. Practically anyone, with a minimum of practice, could shoot a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle quickly.
A number of these rough rifles were brought home as "war trophies" by GI's after the conclusion of hostilities in 1945. Later on the Italian government declared the remaining M-91 service rifles surplus. A large number of them found their way to the United States, where they were sold to shooters seeking an inexpensive or knockabout rifle for deer hunting.
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I just don't get why people can't accept that a punk-ass loser killed JFK [View all]
alphafemale
Nov 2013
OP
Of course. That notion that there is such a thing as a military command called Southcom is a lie
eridani
Nov 2013
#125
And, of course, it has NOTHING to do with our government CONSISTENTLY lying to us, right?
Th1onein
Nov 2013
#162
Did I SAY that our government lies to us about EVERYTHING? Good example of twisting my words.
Th1onein
Nov 2013
#172
You use one of the UK's most notorious sensationalist tabloids as a source?
Art_from_Ark
Nov 2013
#15
Actually Oswald was witnessed firing the weapon out the window by several people
cpwm17
Nov 2013
#70
Witnesses did give a correct description of Oswald before the police located Oswald
cpwm17
Nov 2013
#101
he pulled the gun to try to shoot the officer that killed him in the theater. nt
alphafemale
Nov 2013
#180
I'm not sure how US government officials might benefit from the Loch Ness monster...
Fumesucker
Nov 2013
#132
What's frustrating is belief that "do not always tell the truth" means "always lies with competence"
Bucky
Nov 2013
#138
I was talking about the truth eventually getting out, not people being willing dupes
Bucky
Nov 2013
#148
It was inevitable the truth was eventually going to get out about Iraq because there were no WMDs.
Fumesucker
Nov 2013
#164
This!: More broadly, it's a tendency to focus on intention and agency, rather than randomness...
Benton D Struckcheon
Nov 2013
#81
Most people have been intentionally harmed at some point in their lives, it's not that uncommon
Fumesucker
Nov 2013
#165
yes, so did the three LATER congressional investigations, including the one in 1996
librechik
Nov 2013
#35
I recommend Lamar Waldron's new book, "The Hidden History of the JFK Assassination" n/t
librechik
Nov 2013
#73
I'd like to think we're all selective as to what we believe or don't believe.
nyquil_man
Nov 2013
#61
Well you could say that if someone gave opinions on 100 government studies.
former9thward
Nov 2013
#46
Not necessarily. It depends on their goals and how much institutional support they had
BlueStreak
Nov 2013
#170
Ironically, DU was founded on the wide belief that GWB stole the 2000 election...
pacalo
Nov 2013
#10
The Warren Commission knew they were expected to reach a pre-determined conclusion - no conspiracy.
JohnyCanuck
Nov 2013
#47
....who managed to fire multiple perfect shots in a short amount of time from long distance
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Nov 2013
#49
I am not seeing it with my own eyes in the photos of the Limo at Parkland.
The Midway Rebel
Nov 2013
#137
Because a single gunman scares them. That it was possible for a lone nut to kill the leader....
Logical
Nov 2013
#66
Not true. Lincoln was killed by a conspiracy (of losers, but still a conspiracy)
Bucky
Nov 2013
#140
Government Propaganda Is the Only Source That Supports Oswald As The Assassin
cantbeserious
Nov 2013
#80
You think there is anything to Oswald's ties to the anti-Castro Cubans in Miami?
B Calm
Nov 2013
#85
So, you are saying you are convinced of JFK CT because you get bullied on DU when you present CT?
The Midway Rebel
Nov 2013
#153
Shitbird is not a nickname for an individual, it's a term for someone insufficiently gung ho
Fumesucker
Nov 2013
#166
I have an easy time believing it, because I'm surprised more assassinations haven't succeeded
Hippo_Tron
Nov 2013
#116
"The government also has a poor track record when it comes to keeping secrets that big."
solarhydrocan
Nov 2013
#122
There are so many conspiracy theories, they can't all be right...but they CAN all be wrong
brooklynite
Nov 2013
#119
Maybe it's because people are distrustful of the government's version of what happened on that day.
Wash. state Desk Jet
Nov 2013
#156
so you think the House Select Committee on Assassinations conclusions were wrong?
yurbud
Nov 2013
#179