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In reply to the discussion: I just don't get why people can't accept that a punk-ass loser killed JFK [View all]JohnyCanuck
(9,922 posts)120. Some witnesses to the bullet hole in the JFK limosine's windshield
JFK Conspiracy: The bullet hole in the Windshield
by Jim Fetzer
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On pages 1439-1450 of Volume V of Doug Hornes book, Inside the Assassination Records Review Board, he reviews what witnesses from Parkland Hospital and the Ford plant in Detroit have had to say about their own personal observations on 22 November 1963, the day of the assassination, and on 25 November 1963, three days later, at Ford. In the next several sections, I am taking passages from Hornes recent article with his permission and presenting them together with photographs and other commentary that was not in his earlier study.
(1) Dallas motorcycle patrolmen Stavis Ellis and H. R. Freeman both observed a penetrating bullet hole in the limousine windshield at Parkland Hospital. Ellis told interviewer Gil Toff in 1971: There was a hole in the left front windshield You could put a pencil through it you could take a regular standard writing pencil and stick [it] through there. Freeman corroborated this, saying: (I was) right beside it. I could of (sic) touched it it was a bullet hole. You could tell what it was. (David Lifton published these quotations in his 1980 book, Best Evidence.)
(2) St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Richard Dudman wrote an article published in The New Republic on December 21, 1963, in which he stated: A few of us noted the hole in the windshield when the limousine was standing at the emergency entrance after the President had been carried inside. I could not approach close enough to see which side was the cup-shaped spot which indicates a bullet had pierced the glass from the opposite side.
(3) Second year medical student Evalea Glanges, enrolled at Southwestern Medical University in Dallas, right next door to Parkland Hospital, told attorney Doug Weldon in 1999: It was a real clean hole. In a videotaped interview aired in the suppressed Episode 7 of Nigel Turners series, The Men Who Killed Kennedy, titled The Smoking Guns, she said: it was very clear, it was a through-and-through bullet hole through the windshield of the car, from the front to the back it seemed like a high-velocity bullet that had penetrated from front-to-back in that glass pane. At the time of the interview, Glanges had risen to the position of Chairperson of the Department of Surgery, at John Peter Smith Hospital, in Fort Worth. She had been a firearms expert all her adult life (see video clip below).
For convenience snipped video clip link and placed it here. /JC
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(4) Mr. George Whitaker, Sr., a senior manager at the Ford Motor Companys Rouge Plant in Detroit, Michigan, told attorney (and professor of criminal justice) Doug Weldon in August of 1993, in a tape recorded conversation, that after reporting to work on Monday, 25 November 1963, he discovered the JFK limousine a unique, one-of-a-kind item that he unequivocally identified in the Rouge Plants B building, with the interior stripped out and in the process of being replaced, and with the windshield removed. He was then contacted by one of the Vice Presidents of the division for which he worked, and directed to report to the glass plant lab, immediately. After knocking on the locked door (which he found most unusual), he was let in by two of his subordinates and discovered that they were in possession of the windshield that had been removed from the JFK limousine.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/28/jfk-conspiracy-the-bullet-hole-in-the-windshield/
by Jim Fetzer
snip
On pages 1439-1450 of Volume V of Doug Hornes book, Inside the Assassination Records Review Board, he reviews what witnesses from Parkland Hospital and the Ford plant in Detroit have had to say about their own personal observations on 22 November 1963, the day of the assassination, and on 25 November 1963, three days later, at Ford. In the next several sections, I am taking passages from Hornes recent article with his permission and presenting them together with photographs and other commentary that was not in his earlier study.
(1) Dallas motorcycle patrolmen Stavis Ellis and H. R. Freeman both observed a penetrating bullet hole in the limousine windshield at Parkland Hospital. Ellis told interviewer Gil Toff in 1971: There was a hole in the left front windshield You could put a pencil through it you could take a regular standard writing pencil and stick [it] through there. Freeman corroborated this, saying: (I was) right beside it. I could of (sic) touched it it was a bullet hole. You could tell what it was. (David Lifton published these quotations in his 1980 book, Best Evidence.)
(2) St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Richard Dudman wrote an article published in The New Republic on December 21, 1963, in which he stated: A few of us noted the hole in the windshield when the limousine was standing at the emergency entrance after the President had been carried inside. I could not approach close enough to see which side was the cup-shaped spot which indicates a bullet had pierced the glass from the opposite side.
(3) Second year medical student Evalea Glanges, enrolled at Southwestern Medical University in Dallas, right next door to Parkland Hospital, told attorney Doug Weldon in 1999: It was a real clean hole. In a videotaped interview aired in the suppressed Episode 7 of Nigel Turners series, The Men Who Killed Kennedy, titled The Smoking Guns, she said: it was very clear, it was a through-and-through bullet hole through the windshield of the car, from the front to the back it seemed like a high-velocity bullet that had penetrated from front-to-back in that glass pane. At the time of the interview, Glanges had risen to the position of Chairperson of the Department of Surgery, at John Peter Smith Hospital, in Fort Worth. She had been a firearms expert all her adult life (see video clip below).
For convenience snipped video clip link and placed it here. /JC
#t=16
(4) Mr. George Whitaker, Sr., a senior manager at the Ford Motor Companys Rouge Plant in Detroit, Michigan, told attorney (and professor of criminal justice) Doug Weldon in August of 1993, in a tape recorded conversation, that after reporting to work on Monday, 25 November 1963, he discovered the JFK limousine a unique, one-of-a-kind item that he unequivocally identified in the Rouge Plants B building, with the interior stripped out and in the process of being replaced, and with the windshield removed. He was then contacted by one of the Vice Presidents of the division for which he worked, and directed to report to the glass plant lab, immediately. After knocking on the locked door (which he found most unusual), he was let in by two of his subordinates and discovered that they were in possession of the windshield that had been removed from the JFK limousine.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/28/jfk-conspiracy-the-bullet-hole-in-the-windshield/
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I just don't get why people can't accept that a punk-ass loser killed JFK [View all]
alphafemale
Nov 2013
OP
Of course. That notion that there is such a thing as a military command called Southcom is a lie
eridani
Nov 2013
#125
And, of course, it has NOTHING to do with our government CONSISTENTLY lying to us, right?
Th1onein
Nov 2013
#162
Did I SAY that our government lies to us about EVERYTHING? Good example of twisting my words.
Th1onein
Nov 2013
#172
You use one of the UK's most notorious sensationalist tabloids as a source?
Art_from_Ark
Nov 2013
#15
Actually Oswald was witnessed firing the weapon out the window by several people
cpwm17
Nov 2013
#70
Witnesses did give a correct description of Oswald before the police located Oswald
cpwm17
Nov 2013
#101
he pulled the gun to try to shoot the officer that killed him in the theater. nt
alphafemale
Nov 2013
#180
I'm not sure how US government officials might benefit from the Loch Ness monster...
Fumesucker
Nov 2013
#132
What's frustrating is belief that "do not always tell the truth" means "always lies with competence"
Bucky
Nov 2013
#138
I was talking about the truth eventually getting out, not people being willing dupes
Bucky
Nov 2013
#148
It was inevitable the truth was eventually going to get out about Iraq because there were no WMDs.
Fumesucker
Nov 2013
#164
This!: More broadly, it's a tendency to focus on intention and agency, rather than randomness...
Benton D Struckcheon
Nov 2013
#81
Most people have been intentionally harmed at some point in their lives, it's not that uncommon
Fumesucker
Nov 2013
#165
yes, so did the three LATER congressional investigations, including the one in 1996
librechik
Nov 2013
#35
I recommend Lamar Waldron's new book, "The Hidden History of the JFK Assassination" n/t
librechik
Nov 2013
#73
I'd like to think we're all selective as to what we believe or don't believe.
nyquil_man
Nov 2013
#61
Well you could say that if someone gave opinions on 100 government studies.
former9thward
Nov 2013
#46
Not necessarily. It depends on their goals and how much institutional support they had
BlueStreak
Nov 2013
#170
Ironically, DU was founded on the wide belief that GWB stole the 2000 election...
pacalo
Nov 2013
#10
The Warren Commission knew they were expected to reach a pre-determined conclusion - no conspiracy.
JohnyCanuck
Nov 2013
#47
....who managed to fire multiple perfect shots in a short amount of time from long distance
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Nov 2013
#49
I am not seeing it with my own eyes in the photos of the Limo at Parkland.
The Midway Rebel
Nov 2013
#137
Because a single gunman scares them. That it was possible for a lone nut to kill the leader....
Logical
Nov 2013
#66
Not true. Lincoln was killed by a conspiracy (of losers, but still a conspiracy)
Bucky
Nov 2013
#140
Government Propaganda Is the Only Source That Supports Oswald As The Assassin
cantbeserious
Nov 2013
#80
You think there is anything to Oswald's ties to the anti-Castro Cubans in Miami?
B Calm
Nov 2013
#85
So, you are saying you are convinced of JFK CT because you get bullied on DU when you present CT?
The Midway Rebel
Nov 2013
#153
Shitbird is not a nickname for an individual, it's a term for someone insufficiently gung ho
Fumesucker
Nov 2013
#166
I have an easy time believing it, because I'm surprised more assassinations haven't succeeded
Hippo_Tron
Nov 2013
#116
"The government also has a poor track record when it comes to keeping secrets that big."
solarhydrocan
Nov 2013
#122
There are so many conspiracy theories, they can't all be right...but they CAN all be wrong
brooklynite
Nov 2013
#119
Maybe it's because people are distrustful of the government's version of what happened on that day.
Wash. state Desk Jet
Nov 2013
#156
so you think the House Select Committee on Assassinations conclusions were wrong?
yurbud
Nov 2013
#179