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142. A punk-ass loser may have killed JFK. But it wasn't Oswald.

Thu Nov 28, 2013, 10:07 PM

Nov 2013

All the reasons people use to condemn Oswald are fraught with questions allowably plausible only by being accepted as a strange coincidence. At every point another coincidence is found. That doesn't make it something anyone can prove. But it makes is something everybody ought to realize by now.

John F. Kennedy was murdered by right wing extremists in the American military and intelligence. Once Thanksgiving was over in 1963, Kennedy wasn't mentioned much for a few years. It was too obvious. The original stories felt apart. We read that in our daily newspapers in Texas, but didn't hear it on the national evening news. You guys are still trying to argue with information that was deemed untrue by the end of '63.

If all you know is Posner, Bugliosi and Russo, you know nothing. If you read every book that comes down the pike with preposterous stories, you know nothing.

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I just don't get why people can't accept that a punk-ass loser killed JFK [View all] alphafemale Nov 2013 OP

Ideology. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #1

I think the Lincoln assassination is the only US one with a conspiracy. alphafemale Nov 2013 #11

Not really right-wingers. Archae Nov 2013 #62

Assassins are not confined to ideology. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #64

I know. Archae Nov 2013 #77

Of course. That notion that there is such a thing as a military command called Southcom is a lie eridani Nov 2013 #125

And, of course, it has NOTHING to do with our government CONSISTENTLY lying to us, right? Th1onein Nov 2013 #162

Yes good example. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #171

Did I SAY that our government lies to us about EVERYTHING? Good example of twisting my words. Th1onein Nov 2013 #172

For one thing, no one saw Oswald shoot Kennedy Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #2

Yeah. alphafemale Nov 2013 #12

You use one of the UK's most notorious sensationalist tabloids as a source? Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #15

I thought the letter was touching. alphafemale Nov 2013 #24

Actually Oswald was witnessed firing the weapon out the window by several people cpwm17 Nov 2013 #70

Nobody identified Oswald. former9thward Nov 2013 #91

You have bad info cpwm17 Nov 2013 #97

And that person did not i.d. Oswald after he was arrested. former9thward Nov 2013 #98

Witnesses did give a correct description of Oswald before the police located Oswald cpwm17 Nov 2013 #101

No one identified him. former9thward Nov 2013 #111

Multiple witnesses who saw Oswald fleeing the scene identified him. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #123

Shell casings? meanit Nov 2013 #167

Reloaded while running from the scene, according to witnesses. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #168

he pulled the gun to try to shoot the officer that killed him in the theater. nt alphafemale Nov 2013 #180

Jack Ruby delrem Nov 2013 #3

Bigfoot. alphafemale Nov 2013 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Nov 2013 #151

Or maybe LHO didn't even DIE! alphafemale Nov 2013 #173

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Nov 2013 #174

That the earth is round? alphafemale Nov 2013 #175

If Hinkley had a past that included BlueStreak Nov 2013 #155

True, maybe. But we're not discussing a counter-factual "Hinkley". delrem Nov 2013 #157

Quite the contrary. It is a huge anomaly. I agree with you. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #158

... Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #4

... Fumesucker Nov 2013 #6

Ouch. Case Closed. Take that gerald. solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #8

the first story out there is the one you have to dispute... lame54 Nov 2013 #18

So this means the Loch Ness monster is real? alphafemale Nov 2013 #21

I'm not sure how US government officials might benefit from the Loch Ness monster... Fumesucker Nov 2013 #132

Tell your opinions on the Boston bombing again...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #44

Again? Fumesucker Nov 2013 #131

Double check the thread tree... SidDithers Nov 2013 #134

and that also means we never went to the moon? nt alphafemale Nov 2013 #20

No, it means that government officials do not always tell the truth Fumesucker Nov 2013 #133

What's frustrating is belief that "do not always tell the truth" means "always lies with competence" Bucky Nov 2013 #138

Nevertheless we went to war in Iraq, the neocons got what they wanted Fumesucker Nov 2013 #146

I was talking about the truth eventually getting out, not people being willing dupes Bucky Nov 2013 #148

It was inevitable the truth was eventually going to get out about Iraq because there were no WMDs. Fumesucker Nov 2013 #164

Yep, no conspiracy there. RC Nov 2013 #83

That's some funny shit right there Spider... catnhatnh Nov 2013 #56

This!: More broadly, it's a tendency to focus on intention and agency, rather than randomness... Benton D Struckcheon Nov 2013 #81

Most people have been intentionally harmed at some point in their lives, it's not that uncommon Fumesucker Nov 2013 #165

I think that most people do accept that. Democracyinkind Nov 2013 #5

John Hinckley's parents knew the Bush family socially. alphafemale Nov 2013 #22

That's one example.... Democracyinkind Nov 2013 #26

And Edwin Booth saved the life of Robert Todd Lincoln alphafemale Nov 2013 #28

Ha, Another very good one. Democracyinkind Nov 2013 #29

I think it was just the day before and it was his brother Bucky Nov 2013 #139

And that bothers you? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #7

I think...amuses alphafemale Nov 2013 #16

It amuses me how people can accept the WC. former9thward Nov 2013 #30

"In 1979, Congress investigated the assassination..." nyquil_man Nov 2013 #33

yes, so did the three LATER congressional investigations, including the one in 1996 librechik Nov 2013 #35

Are you referring to the Assassination Records Review Board, nyquil_man Nov 2013 #38

what part of look it up is unclear? librechik Nov 2013 #39

There are facts, yes. Your assertion is not among them. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #42

I recommend Lamar Waldron's new book, "The Hidden History of the JFK Assassination" n/t librechik Nov 2013 #73

Or you could just name those three post-HSCA investigations. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author librechik Nov 2013 #87

I hope newbies such as yourself appreciate the opportunity librechik Nov 2013 #90

You seem to have enough outrage for both of us. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #92

Check my post. former9thward Nov 2013 #40

Your 'skepticism' dies a quick (and apparently painless) death nyquil_man Nov 2013 #43

The government is not a monolithic entity. Democracyinkind Nov 2013 #45

I didn't invent the dichotomy. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #51

I am arguing a general point. Democracyinkind Nov 2013 #53

I'd like to think we're all selective as to what we believe or don't believe. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #61

Well you could say that if someone gave opinions on 100 government studies. former9thward Nov 2013 #46

You damn the government for sloppy work on the Warren Report nyquil_man Nov 2013 #48

You have given your summary and interpretation in two sentences. former9thward Nov 2013 #50

It would prove no more and add no more nyquil_man Nov 2013 #52

"incurious dupes of the government" former9thward Nov 2013 #57

That's fine. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #76

I have too. former9thward Nov 2013 #88

You are amused, and your heart is broken. Mc Mike Nov 2013 #31

OK... yeah my heart does break for ranting idiots. alphafemale Nov 2013 #107

Zing! Mc Mike Nov 2013 #177

I'd say you're spot on. Puglover Nov 2013 #58

Because he had ties to the CIA.. sendero Nov 2013 #9

I just think the "spooks" would have been much less sloppy about it alphafemale Nov 2013 #19

They were. sendero Nov 2013 #32

OK alphafemale Nov 2013 #34

Not necessarily. It depends on their goals and how much institutional support they had BlueStreak Nov 2013 #170

Ironically, DU was founded on the wide belief that GWB stole the 2000 election... pacalo Nov 2013 #10

No connection. alphafemale Nov 2013 #17

Except that the SCOTUS stepping in was ANYTHING BUT normal procedure librechik Nov 2013 #36

Glad you feel that way. alphafemale Nov 2013 #103

+100000000 Th1onein Nov 2013 #163

But what those two did not have treestar Nov 2013 #14

I think we can determine he was phycho alphafemale Nov 2013 #23

please. stop! You're killing me! librechik Nov 2013 #37

There are still going to be conspiracy theories treestar Nov 2013 #74

They can't accept that lake loon Nov 2013 #25

For further reading ... lake loon Nov 2013 #27

The Warren Commission knew they were expected to reach a pre-determined conclusion - no conspiracy. JohnyCanuck Nov 2013 #47

Jury Results: X_Digger Nov 2013 #41

I was alerted for this? alphafemale Nov 2013 #65

LOL, Someone alerted this. Hurt feelings I assume. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #67

I think some here keep a Flow Chart of Imagined Grievances. alphafemale Nov 2013 #99

Good point. I love the ignore announcements. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #100

FFS. Juror 1 is wrong, the OP called the assassins psychos treestar Nov 2013 #75

....who managed to fire multiple perfect shots in a short amount of time from long distance ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #49

With one of the most inaccurate rifles ever manufactured TexasProgresive Nov 2013 #55

Got a link about how crappy the rifle was? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #59

No link but the testimony of 2 gun collectors in 1969. TexasProgresive Nov 2013 #71

Others disagree. They are very accurate out to 650 yards. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #82

"Inaccurate", not true. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #113

Not that hard of a shot...really. alphafemale Nov 2013 #69

Bullshit. Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #79

Here is video proof your facts are wrong. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #84

Some simulated tests that have been done exboyfil Nov 2013 #93

The Hathcock quote... GKirk Nov 2013 #105

Your confirmation bias is showing. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #115

My educated guess... MinM Nov 2013 #54

Patsy who was sheep dipped but Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #63

Got a link? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #86

Some witnesses to the bullet hole in the JFK limosine's windshield JohnyCanuck Nov 2013 #120

I am not seeing it with my own eyes in the photos of the Limo at Parkland. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #137

That is not a bullet hole, it is a crack. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #145

Thanks. And is that blood splatter? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #149

75 Years Bobcat Nov 2013 #60

Stop repeating that 75 year meme. Its not true. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #89

Because a single gunman scares them. That it was possible for a lone nut to kill the leader.... Logical Nov 2013 #66

It's ALWAYS been a lone nut that has killed a President. alphafemale Nov 2013 #72

Not true. Lincoln was killed by a conspiracy (of losers, but still a conspiracy) Bucky Nov 2013 #140

I don't get this big push supporting the WCR and why it bothers people that doc03 Nov 2013 #68

Government Propaganda Is the Only Source That Supports Oswald As The Assassin cantbeserious Nov 2013 #80

Or at least the sole assassin. RC Nov 2013 #109

This is a walloping, goofy, weak form of straw man. Springslips Nov 2013 #143

You think there is anything to Oswald's ties to the anti-Castro Cubans in Miami? B Calm Nov 2013 #85

50 years of inconclusive, bullshit conspiracy talk made me an Oswald believer. Paladin Nov 2013 #94

I've got two reasons, one reasonable and one questionable Nevernose Nov 2013 #95

I just don't get why people can't accept that ... 99Forever Nov 2013 #96

It's because people can't handle... JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #102

It is simply not a cut and dried case. The stomping of the feet and insisting Jetboy Nov 2013 #104

Actually not. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #106

That is me as well. alphafemale Nov 2013 #118

Actually yes. Jetboy Nov 2013 #121

Nope. I am saying, come at me bro...with good evidence that is. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #135

THIS thread is about why some of us are unconviced that LHO acted alone in Jetboy Nov 2013 #150

So, you are saying you are convinced of JFK CT because you get bullied on DU when you present CT? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #153

I am convinced of nothing. Jetboy Nov 2013 #154

Keep digging? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #159

Just because someone attempts to bully another doesn't Jetboy Nov 2013 #160

After Watching The New Frontline Last Week otohara Nov 2013 #108

It took me a long time to accept that. alphafemale Nov 2013 #114

His loser nickname in the Marines was "shitbird" BeyondGeography Nov 2013 #110

Who made fun of that freak who killed 20 babies in Sandy Hook? alphafemale Nov 2013 #112

Shitbird is not a nickname for an individual, it's a term for someone insufficiently gung ho Fumesucker Nov 2013 #166

A "shit-bird" meanit Nov 2013 #169

I have an easy time believing it, because I'm surprised more assassinations haven't succeeded Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #116

"The government also has a poor track record when it comes to keeping secrets that big." solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #122

Actually, overall, true. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #124

Simple: doesn't add up. polichick Nov 2013 #117

There are so many conspiracy theories, they can't all be right...but they CAN all be wrong brooklynite Nov 2013 #119

There was a documentary hosted by Eric Severeid that weekend in 1963 duffyduff Nov 2013 #126

LHO was 24? alphafemale Nov 2013 #127

Couple of years in Minsk will do that to ya Bucky Nov 2013 #141

He was probably a clinical Springslips Nov 2013 #152

Fromme, Moore and Hinckley all left paper trails that proved motive Warpy Nov 2013 #128

"We don't know Oswald's motive" != "Oswald had no motive" Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #136

The warped logic of conspiracy theorist. Springslips Nov 2013 #147

I personally believe that Oswald killed JKF all by himself. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #129

And sometimes, it's natural to think that something isn't quite right Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #161

I could accept it if it were true--but it ain't! Peace Patriot Nov 2013 #130

A punk-ass loser may have killed JFK. But it wasn't Oswald. Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #142

Yeah, they do Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #144

Maybe it's because people are distrustful of the government's version of what happened on that day. Wash. state Desk Jet Nov 2013 #156

I just don't get why people are such simple minded lemmings LordGlenconner Nov 2013 #176

evidence proving not one shooter larkrake Nov 2013 #178

so you think the House Select Committee on Assassinations conclusions were wrong? yurbud Nov 2013 #179