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LWolf

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60. People have celebrated with harvest festivals

Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:24 AM

Nov 2013

all over the world, before and after the events she refers to. While our legal, national holiday is based on that misunderstood history, I have no problem with harvest festivals, and that's what I'm celebrating, not the U.S. interpretation/version.

I wish it would happen the last week of October, though, commercial aspects aside. It's too close to xmas for me. I'd rather have a harvest festival, and end with a day of the dead or all hallows. Then some time before the next big holiday.

I also celebrate christmas. I'm not a christian. I recognize the seasonal/cultural solstice/yule tradition, with the christian version being just one version of a celebration older than that christ. I don't reject it because of one religious group's interpretation. I even love christian christmas music, along with secular and pagan seasonal songs.

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Cher Savages Thanksgiving: �I Don�t� Celebrate the �Beginning of a Great Crime� [View all] Tx4obama Nov 2013 OP

Possession of stolen property is also a crime. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #1

people are great at pointing fingers at others yet are blind to the 3 pointing back at them leftyohiolib Nov 2013 #4

Tell that to the Israeli settlers U4ikLefty Nov 2013 #5

Ah, mais au contraire Cher, icymist Nov 2013 #15

Looks to me that she's right still Triana Nov 2013 #18

I don't know what you are reading, but the first paragraph to the first link is: icymist Nov 2013 #43

�For the most part, Thanksgiving itself is a day of mourning for Native people" Triana Nov 2013 #49

I'm going to just leave it at that. icymist Nov 2013 #55

for gods sake. cher is NATIVE. roguevalley Nov 2013 #48

Who seems to have made considerable sums from the non-natives. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #79

It wouldn't hurt her to cough up some of her millions to help the alleviate the suffering of Rozlee Nov 2013 #29

No hype. She's part Cherokee on her mother's side. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #45

That's questionable at best. MADem Nov 2013 #69

I might note hfojvt Nov 2013 #80

Furthermore Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #86

but heck, these people were only about 1/4 native american hfojvt Nov 2013 #90

Donate Money For Them To Buy Back Land erpowers Nov 2013 #31

Thank you Boom Sound 416 Nov 2013 #38

tribal warfare is as old as mankind. madrchsod Nov 2013 #41

cher is a native. helps to know stuff roguevalley Nov 2013 #47

The Cherokee don't claim her--she's not on their list of citizens. MADem Nov 2013 #58

so she isnt entitled to state her ancestry. paging scott brown... roguevalley Nov 2013 #65

She didn't even try to suggest she had Cherokee heritage until she caught shit MADem Nov 2013 #66

song she did four decades ago ... napkinz Nov 2013 #2

That's the song that pissed off the Cherokee nation. MADem Nov 2013 #67

Thanks, that's a great video. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #74

People bought 1.5 million copies of "Believe" BeyondGeography Nov 2013 #3

Lol. No shit. Democracyinkind Nov 2013 #10

No genocide to see here!!! U4ikLefty Nov 2013 #6

She's sitting on 305 million. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #12

Wow, I didn't know that. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #75

Cher yeoman6987 Nov 2013 #63

Thanks for reminding us, Cher.. that it didn't Cha Nov 2013 #7

the pilgrims of our 1st thanksgiving did all that? or is she blaming them for something leftyohiolib Nov 2013 #8

you might want to read through this post to see what that first "thanksgiving" really celebrated niyad Nov 2013 #20

The blankets laced with smallpox scenario is highly unlikely. Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #9

Scalping as well??? U4ikLefty Nov 2013 #13

Please expound on your question. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #14

Why does bringing epidemiology into the picture you threaten you? Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #16

Nobody back then had a good idea of what diseases were or how they were transmitted bhikkhu Nov 2013 #23

The smallpox blankets scenario DID happen - and more than once. RC Nov 2013 #25

They may have GIVEN them blankets, but that does not meat it actually WORKED. Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #27

You need to restudy your history and your science. RC Nov 2013 #30

Yes, because the World Health Organization is not a reputable source. Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #59

I couldn't find much on smallpox and the WHO, except some basics about smallpox. RC Nov 2013 #64

Viruses do not have spores. Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #71

OK, I'll give you that, but... RC Nov 2013 #73

It is really not my history. Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #78

the white people did not START out on eradicating hfojvt Nov 2013 #81

Good luck, I've been trying to destroy the meme for years Warpy Nov 2013 #33

They just do not want to accept reality do they? Drahthaardogs Nov 2013 #57

I've noticed that while it's fairly easy to change an opinion Warpy Nov 2013 #70

I have told people that too. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #50

This seems apropos... Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #11

She always look good in her native american costume adieu Nov 2013 #17

I love having an excuse to post this. My NA friends love it. Warpy Nov 2013 #34

Their article headline is grating... countryjake Nov 2013 #19

thank you for that image niyad Nov 2013 #22

You are very welcome! countryjake Nov 2013 #44

Beautiful malokvale77 Nov 2013 #54

It's a terrible headline. GreenPartyVoter Nov 2013 #26

Who is Cher Savage, and why did they forget the apostrophe? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #37

Whatever the details, its a harvest festival in essence bhikkhu Nov 2013 #21

uh, no, this particular celebration actually has nothing to do with harvest festivals: niyad Nov 2013 #24

We all come from a more or less savage past bhikkhu Nov 2013 #36

"We all come from a more or less savage past..." NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #51

it is almost mind-boggling how you can dismiss the near-genocide by the european invaders as niyad Nov 2013 #53

Thanks for friendship, thanks for good food bhikkhu Nov 2013 #61

actually, no, it isn't that simple. it really helps to know what the background is on things. niyad Nov 2013 #72

Every culture was either invaded or invaded someone else over time so Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #82

have you actually read the account of this holiday, which is what some of us are discussing? niyad Nov 2013 #83

Do you really think modern Thanksgiving has anything to do with Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #84

thank you for answering my question. niyad Nov 2013 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author erpowers Nov 2013 #28

Give Thanks For Family, Friends, and Fans erpowers Nov 2013 #32

The greater crime was her SHITTY music Dreamer Tatum Nov 2013 #35

Yeah, there is that. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #39

She pretty much single-handedly laid the fucking autotune on us. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #87

Roger Troutman on the Talkbox countryjake Nov 2013 #89

I had a wonderful Thanksgiving lunch with my family. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #40

It sounds nice Cher Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2013 #42

Best reply Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #62

I savaged a plate of food... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2013 #46

It is the only holiday that hasn't been hijacked by the war mongers or the Christians (or both) BlueStreak Nov 2013 #52

Showing off in some way? treestar Nov 2013 #56

People have celebrated with harvest festivals LWolf Nov 2013 #60

i don't think anyone is celebrating that, for most it's about Food, being with Family JI7 Nov 2013 #68

Good for Cher! Vattel Nov 2013 #76

She's Armenian, not Native American. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #88

I just came back from Twitter. I asked Cher if she was Armenian or American. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #91

Well, I suppose that's better than falsely claiming Native American ancestry. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #92

She was born in America, which means that she could have native American ancestry. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #93

No--she tried claiming that when "Half-Breed" came out, but she couldn't prove that. msanthrope Nov 2013 #94

Yes, it could happen. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #95

She needs to read "Guns, Germs, and Steel". krispos42 Nov 2013 #77