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libdem4life

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107. I hear you and, yet we can't change some things...like the Electoral College for one.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:49 AM
Nov 2013

I also respect Sanders, Warren, and all of the other politically comfortable politicians and the many who share your view.

But Populists don't win. Sorry. That's American History for the past decades. Look down the list of Presidents since Eisenhower...WWII. That's reality...not me thinking negatively. (Maybe, Jimmy Carter) Populists inspire, they excite, they influence, they shift, they push, but they don't make it to President. It takes groups of said Populists to get him/her in the White House.

And for all the years since McGovern lost, the Liberals are no longer a wing. They/we are now Populists, as I see it.

The Progressives...time will tell as it's where many old Liberals have drifted and it seems to be of interest to the young and the Center Left.

And if Bernie seriously runs, we'll end up with 20 years of Bushes. I won't even go into the madness that 8 years of Jeb would bring...but start with stacking the SCOTUS for the rest of our natural lives (2 are awaiting said Republican administration and will wait 8 years, if need be).

You think corporations are in control and it is bad now...even with their newly deigned personhood? TPP is bad now? The follow-up acts are already set up. Voting Rights...what were those? Watch women's rights go away...down the tubes and back in the kitchen. There is some Republican speculation as to Jeb there, of course, but I'd bet on it. Oh, and a welcome back to the currently faltering Tea Party.

But I'll end here...if we don't have a Hispanic somewhere up there...like VP, and I mean Julian Castro of Texas, specifically, it's going to at least make it harder, not counting a Third Party challenge.

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Captain Obvious posts Sanders stating the obvious. LWolf Nov 2013 #1
Of Course She Isn't billhicks76 Nov 2013 #68
Bernie was just being kind by saying he's unsure. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #85
Correct. He was being very diplomatic. He's one of the people I'd like to see Cal33 Nov 2013 #101
If the "working family" has a hedge fund manager and owns stock in Walmart, she'd be an advocate. nt NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #2
Bingo! sulphurdunn Nov 2013 #17
We must get a progressive to challenge her. And we cant wait until 2015 like all the rhett o rick Nov 2013 #3
the progressive challenger would have to actually win yurbud Nov 2013 #112
And to win, we must start now. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #116
If a progressive won, they could at best be Dr. No without a progressive majority in Congress yurbud Nov 2013 #118
He may be "unsure" but I'm positive tularetom Nov 2013 #4
However, she is a "forceful advocate" for war....and Hillary. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #5
+1000. NO MORE DYNASTIC RULING FAMILY CRAP elehhhhna Nov 2013 #47
AMEN! AlbertCat Nov 2013 #65
Reagan(Bush),Reagan(Bush),Bush,Clinton,Clinton,Bush,Bush bobduca Nov 2013 #100
imagine Hillary in Kerry's position with Iran. Her with that 'obliterate' mind set... Whisp Nov 2013 #113
Loving Bernie Sanders more every day. We need more like him. mother earth Nov 2013 #6
Bernie running as an Independent, HockeyMom Nov 2013 #7
Just like Mike Gravel did Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #8
Mike who? AAO Nov 2013 #32
You are correct. That's why we need to urge him to run as a Democrat in the totodeinhere Nov 2013 #10
That would be fine with me HockeyMom Nov 2013 #13
Yeah, democracy is so inconvenient Cal Carpenter Nov 2013 #19
I won't vote for another third way Democrat... raindaddy Nov 2013 #20
Same here. No more Trojan Horses running as Democrats. kath Nov 2013 #72
He ain't running. sulphurdunn Nov 2013 #22
They have way more power than does the President on single issues and we need both desperately libdem4life Nov 2013 #62
Or, alternatively, progressives in the Democratic Party may wake up someday Maedhros Nov 2013 #24
We've heard that before and we got Bush II. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #29
This ctsnowman Nov 2013 #63
+1 a significant amount.......nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #77
Now, that isn't fair. I'm sure Democrats care air the whole top 10%, maybe even the top 20. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #119
So let me get this straight... NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #43
You got that right. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #86
Exactly. n/t 99Forever Nov 2013 #96
I would advise Bernie to run as a Democrat for President. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #45
I, too, would advise him to run as a Democrat. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #74
wouldn't that be beautiful. Whisp Nov 2013 #114
The problem for Progressives has been just getting heard. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #117
Me too..........nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #78
he should run as a Progressive tomp Nov 2013 #91
Bernie needs to run for prez as a Democrat. He would have my full totodeinhere Nov 2013 #9
I would be behind him every step of the way! GO Boinee! AAO Nov 2013 #35
Oh goody, the daily "let's trash Hillary" Thread. Beacool Nov 2013 #11
Yes. Let's trash Hillary and the sold-out, anti-middle-class economic philosophy she represents. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #30
+$1,000,000,000,000.00 AAO Nov 2013 #36
On the contrary, she's the most electable candidate the Democrats have at this time. Beacool Nov 2013 #48
That's what I'm afraid of passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #60
Wow!! Wonderful news.... pocoloco Nov 2013 #102
+10000000000 This country cannot AFFORD woo me with science Nov 2013 #55
Wait, so Hillary Clinton is unelectable but Bernie Sanders...is? Have I stepped into bizarro world? Metric System Nov 2013 #66
Bernie's message is far more appealing than a lot of corporate Democrats realize. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #73
You're being wayyy too kind. Hillary only looks out for herself and her corporate buddies, not the common folks. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #89
Seriously, the LAST thing we need is Hillary and her tired old Rethug-lite policies. Elizabeth or Bernie for me TYVM. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #87
We know what Hillary said to raising the cap. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #79
Couldn't agree more. Hillary only has Hillary's best interests at heart, making speeches at $500,000 a pop. Gimme a fuckin' break! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #90
That's not only nonsense, it's not even true. Beacool Nov 2013 #120
I've suspected that Bernie's run for the WH is nothing more than an attempt FSogol Nov 2013 #12
Maybe during the campaign... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #41
Exactly. n/t truedelphi Nov 2013 #53
Hillary may campaign left as a consequence, but she'll probably do that anyway. NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #106
Duh! SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #14
Excellent, Bernie. Her support for TPP boomersense Nov 2013 #15
I'm with you. Warren or Bernie would be excellent choices. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #92
Who is paying her $250k per speech? LittleBlue Nov 2013 #16
No doubt at all. 840high Nov 2013 #18
Is there any evidence she would do this? AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #21
yah, bill was for that 'little guy' in his pants. Whisp Nov 2013 #23
Nor NAFTA, nor GATT. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2013 #25
Bill Clinton did a lot more than NAFTA and welfare reform AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #28
That's correct Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #46
Unlike Obama, he stood up to the Republicans AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #54
It was the greatest economic expansion Enthusiast Nov 2013 #80
Ken Starr? Is that you? AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #31
AA should be your permanent straight man! AAO Nov 2013 #37
Right, NAFTA was great for the 'little guy' Cal Carpenter Nov 2013 #26
Follow the money LittleBlue Nov 2013 #27
Bingo! speaking fees = bribes Shemp Howard Nov 2013 #33
Precisely LittleBlue Nov 2013 #38
So you have no evidence? AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #39
Evidence for something that hasn't happened yet? LittleBlue Nov 2013 #42
Follow the money - the oldest rule of humanity. Money has corrupted the human race. AAO Nov 2013 #40
Yeah! Bill Clinton was so much for the little guy that he did away with Glass-Steagall. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #34
Glass Steagall passed with a veto proof majority. Beacool Nov 2013 #50
Stop trying to use reasoning and logic. The far Left is getting ready to try to Nader bluestate10 Nov 2013 #51
It's negativity 24/7 around here. Beacool Nov 2013 #58
There is no FAR LEFT. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #81
The 90s were a different era, and true or not, Hillary represents going backward to the 90s, JDPriestly Nov 2013 #52
That's your opinion. Beacool Nov 2013 #57
NAFTA, GATT, China's permanent Most Favored Nation Trading status, closeupready Nov 2013 #44
Are you being sarcastic? Bill Clinton for the little guy? Great job reforming welfare (now I'm being sarcastic). InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #94
B.S. Beacool Nov 2013 #49
The giant vampire squid, that's who pscot Nov 2013 #61
but, but, but...she's just trying to make a living! nt antigop Nov 2013 #99
LOL, hell no. For her last speech, Hillary got paid $450,000 by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange’s Global Financial Leadership Conference. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #121
My only hope is that come Nov 2016 that riversedge Nov 2013 #56
Hillary herself has confirmed Bernie's suspicions many times. bvar22 Nov 2013 #59
Thanks. This video shows precisely what is wrong with Hillary Clinton. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #75
Wow, who was that black guy talking about lifting the cap? -nt CrispyQ Nov 2013 #104
No Naders, even if they are politically correct. So was he. libdem4life Nov 2013 #64
Sanders will only be a "Nader" if you allow it. dotymed Nov 2013 #97
This: "The 2 party system has morphed into rich and richer." CrispyQ Nov 2013 #105
Wel said CrispyQ. dotymed Nov 2013 #108
I agree with your subject line. Disagree with the second. People should vote their best decision, libdem4life Nov 2013 #111
I hear you and, yet we can't change some things...like the Electoral College for one. libdem4life Nov 2013 #107
Candidate Obama was a populist... dotymed Nov 2013 #109
See, that's what everybody thought and are disappointed or angry about. Progressiveism is libdem4life Nov 2013 #110
was bill? heaven05 Nov 2013 #67
I'm not unsure about it. HRC is another 1%er. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #69
The Clintons used to take pride in being able to raise more corporate money than Republicans. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #70
Hillary will be the nominee, and we'll have to accept for these reasons: WowSeriously Nov 2013 #71
When have the Clintons ever been forceful advocates for anyone else but their friends in high places Democracyinkind Nov 2013 #76
Succinctly put. The Clintons only look out for themselves and their corporate buddies. It's time to look forward and move on. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #95
I can clear that up for you Bernie.. sendero Nov 2013 #82
Duh - Hillary Progressive - No Way -- Corporate DLCer Through And Through cantbeserious Nov 2013 #83
The Clintons are very progressive... Whisp Nov 2013 #115
no way mtasselin Nov 2013 #84
Happy Thanksgiving to all my fellow Bernie lovers! otherone Nov 2013 #88
Sanders/Warren '16! RoccoR5955 Nov 2013 #93
Bernie is diplomatic about it... 99Forever Nov 2013 #98
Its funny how your source REMOVES part of what Sanders actually said. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #103
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